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JPH83 01-30-2025 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17944701)
Really why I keep coming back to CB and RB with our first and/or 2nd rounders.

I just don't see a solution to LT that's going to be available for us. We're likely going to be better served re-signing Humphries (or acquiring another fallback vet option) while hoping for additional development from Kingsley and Morris.

Fix what we can fix. Don't go chasing points, so to speak.

I'm increasingly of the same opinion. I didn't particularly like this OT class but was talking myself into it...I'm talking myself out again. With the possible exception of Simmons if he's close. I was worried about Conerly's strength and that rep doesn't make me feel any better, as much as I like Green.

I'd resign Humphries as insurance either way probably. Suspect BPA for me ends up being CB and DT/DE.

htismaqe 01-30-2025 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17944756)
I'm increasingly of the same opinion. I didn't particularly like this OT class but was talking myself into it...I'm talking myself out again. With the possible exception of Simmons if he's close. I was worried about Conerly's strength and that rep doesn't make me feel any better, as much as I like Green.

I'd resign Humphries as insurance either way probably. Suspect BPA for me ends up being CB and DT/DE.

This happens pretty much every year and has since Fisher retired. We hyper focus on OTs and watch the shit out of them, only to realize that once again, we are just not in a position to get one.

The last thing this team should do is overcompensate and chase positions in the draft. Just let the draft come to you and take good players. We will eventually hit on a LT. It takes patience.

kccrow 01-30-2025 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17944756)
I'm increasingly of the same opinion. I didn't particularly like this OT class but was talking myself into it...I'm talking myself out again. With the possible exception of Simmons if he's close. I was worried about Conerly's strength and that rep doesn't make me feel any better, as much as I like Green.

I'd resign Humphries as insurance either way probably. Suspect BPA for me ends up being CB and DT/DE.

Talking yourself out of a prospect over one rep is kind of silly don't you think? And this isn't just you that I'm necessarily directing that at because I see more jumping ship on guys.

Conerly didn't give up a pressure in like 10 of 13 games this year or something like that in the BIG 10. He's only giving up 1 sack in each of the past 2 seasons. That's 2 in over 1,000 pass-blocking snaps with something like 15 total pressures. That's against guys like Abdul Carter, JT Tuimoloau and Jack Sawyer, Josaiah Stewart, and Jah Joyner who will all be drafted this year.

Matt Miller and Todd McShay like him a bunch too.

I just don't think you make a conclusion about a guy who ****s up one rep against another 1st round player. I think I would do that when a guy is messing up over and over again and not anchoring. All reports I saw were that the DL was winning all day long. Probably to be expected early and in one-on-ones.

This is not an overly strong class for OTs but there are a few good ones in there. Honestly, Veach has done well drafting away from a class's strengths, which is very weird but effective.

htismaqe 01-30-2025 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17944814)
Talking yourself out of a prospect over one rep is kind of silly don't you think? And this isn't just you that I'm necessarily directing that at because I see more jumping ship on guys.

Conerly didn't give up a pressure in like 10 of 13 games this year or something like that in the BIG 10. He's only giving up 1 sack in each of the past 2 seasons. That's 2 in over 1,000 pass-blocking snaps with something like 15 total pressures. That's against guys like Abdul Carter, JT Tuimoloau and Jack Sawyer, Josaiah Stewart, and Jah Joyner who will all be drafted this year.

Matt Miller and Todd McShay like him a bunch too.

I just don't think you make a conclusion about a guy who ****s up one rep against another 1st round player. I think I would do that when a guy is messing up over and over again and not anchoring. All reports I saw were that the DL was winning all day long. Probably to be expected early and in one-on-ones.

This is not an overly strong class for OTs but there are a few good ones in there. Honestly, Veach has done well drafting away from a class's strengths, which is very weird but effective.

That's the thing about Conerly - he was really good in a very good Big 10. Kind of reminds me of Rashawn Slater. People were concerned about his measureables too.

RunKC 01-30-2025 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17944701)
Really why I keep coming back to CB and RB with our first and/or 2nd rounders.

I just don't see a solution to LT that's going to be available for us. We're likely going to be better served re-signing Humphries (or acquiring another fallback vet option) while hoping for additional development from Kingsley and Morris.

Fix what we can fix. Don't go chasing points, so to speak.

Yeah it’s early but I’m thinking DL and CB with the first 2 and RB with the third pick.

I suppose that could change if Bolton leaves though

Couch-Potato 01-30-2025 05:59 PM

I think it’s Simmons or Conerly if they fall to us in the first, if not, I think we go DE or DT. Maaaybe CB if Barron’s available.

JPH83 01-31-2025 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17944814)
Talking yourself out of a prospect over one rep is kind of silly don't you think? And this isn't just you that I'm necessarily directing that at because I see more jumping ship on guys.

Conerly didn't give up a pressure in like 10 of 13 games this year or something like that in the BIG 10. He's only giving up 1 sack in each of the past 2 seasons. That's 2 in over 1,000 pass-blocking snaps with something like 15 total pressures. That's against guys like Abdul Carter, JT Tuimoloau and Jack Sawyer, Josaiah Stewart, and Jah Joyner who will all be drafted this year.

Matt Miller and Todd McShay like him a bunch too.

I just don't think you make a conclusion about a guy who ****s up one rep against another 1st round player. I think I would do that when a guy is messing up over and over again and not anchoring. All reports I saw were that the DL was winning all day long. Probably to be expected early and in one-on-ones.

This is not an overly strong class for OTs but there are a few good ones in there. Honestly, Veach has done well drafting away from a class's strengths, which is very weird but effective.

It probably is unfair. But it's a combination of feeling like I've seen a questionable anchor from him at times before, and the fact that as great as Mike Green looks, hes not played through guys like that a lot..

I'm sure it's a bit of confirmation bias, and sometimes you think you see something, like an iffy anchor, and maybe you start looking for it when it's not there. Conorly is one of those guys I see reps I love but the bad ones somehow stick more. Will be interesting to see how he does and how he tests from here.

In any case, it's probably easier to be sceptical about OTs from the back of the 1st onwards. Now if Simmons falls, I think I'm more enthusiastic.

Titty Meat 01-31-2025 06:47 PM

Gray Zabel looks like a Trey Smith replacement

Palangi 01-31-2025 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17946786)
Gray Zabel looks like a Trey Smith replacement

We already have that with Kingsley or Morris. No need to waste draft capital.

JPH83 02-01-2025 07:49 AM

Been watching a LOT of Josh Conorly and...I think I might coming round to crow's opinion. Strength still concerns me a little but the feet and hands are real nice. Not sure I'm going up a lot to get him, I'm still favouring the BPA, but if we're getting in to the early 20s and he's there...maybe

htismaqe 02-01-2025 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17947089)
Been watching a LOT of Josh Conorly and...I think I might coming round to crow's opinion. Strength still concerns me a little but the feet and hands are real nice. Not sure I'm going up a lot to get him, I'm still favouring the BPA, but if we're getting in to the early 20s and he's there...maybe

That's the thing about Conerly. He's got a lot of good tape in a really good conference, against top competition.

People were concerned about Slater's measurables too.

staylor26 02-01-2025 07:46 PM

How are we feeling about Ersery? Looked pretty good in some of the Senior Bowl stuff I saw.

kccrow 02-01-2025 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17947763)
How are we feeling about Ersery? Looked pretty good in some of the Senior Bowl stuff I saw.

He just looks and feels like the type of guy I'd be bullishly against only for him to turn into an all-star in the league. He's a mammoth but he is quite slow-footed. That mammoth about him though... you can't rock him with power and he's so damn big and long that he's just hard to get around. Speed is really his only issue. If you can get him a little quicker and get his hands a little better, then I think he has a chance to be really quite good. The issue I could see is we pass too much as a team for his type to truly be as good as he'd be for a team like Baltimore.

I'm going to say this, I'm not against him. I do have my reservations about him in this offense but if Veach and Co say yes, then I won't argue it at all.

Tribal Warfare 02-01-2025 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17947841)
He just looks and feels like the type of guy I'd be bullishly against only for him to turn into an all-star in the league. He's a mammoth but he is quite slow-footed. That mammoth about him though... you can't rock him with power and he's so damn big and long that he's just hard to get around. Speed is really his only issue. If you can get him a little quicker and get his hands a little better, then I think he has a chance to be really quite good. The issue I could see is we pass too much as a team for his type to truly be as good as he'd be for a team like Baltimore.

I'm going to say this, I'm not against him. I do have my reservations about him in this offense but if Veach and Co say yes, then I won't argue it at all.

He'll have to be plug and play and do it well from the start considering he's an older prospect

Palangi 02-01-2025 09:55 PM

I actually think Anthony Belton played well this week in practice and in the game today as well. Moves really well for a big as he is


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