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ChiTown 01-31-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16780251)
They beat us three straight times, including two at Arrowhead, and then we finally win another 3 point game and Joe Burrow isn't elite?

I'm not going to go there. Guy is a baller and plays great.

Let's not get so cocky so soon. That's the mistake the Bengals just made.

They’ve won 1 at Arrowhead (“22 AFCCG), which is why the Burrowhead comment was ALWAYS asinine.

And yes, Burrow is absolutely an elite QB, but a step below Mahomes who is otherworldly.

Chris Meck 01-31-2023 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16780298)
What about the standard of playing well when it matters most? It’s odd to me how easily people want to gloss over his post season (fourth quarter especially) performance so far.

The guy's in his third year. If that's what it looks like in year 10, you've got a legit argument.

notorious 01-31-2023 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by straycash (Post 16780152)
Like the AFC West of today?

It’s similar, no doubt.

mr. tegu 01-31-2023 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16780308)
The guy's in his third year. If that's what it looks like in year 10, you've got a legit argument.


To me “elite” is earned. He has elite potential and some great abilities and I think is probably the second best QB at the moment but that doesn’t automatically mean he is elite. I think him being second best though is a function of his play combined with maybe the largest collection of young QBs ever not being currently challenged with established veterans still playing really well.

FlaChief58 01-31-2023 07:23 AM

He's very good, but to consider him elite, I want to see how he handles not having a stacked roster once they have to start paying people. If he's still making deep runs with lesser talent around him, then I would definitely put him in the elite category

Chris Meck 01-31-2023 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16780313)
To me “elite” is earned. He has elite potential and some great abilities and I think is probably the second best QB at the moment but that doesn’t automatically mean he is elite. I think him being second best though is a function of his play combined with maybe the largest collection of young QBs ever not being currently challenged with established veterans still playing really well.

Then you have an absurd bar for 'elite'.

If a guy is probably the second best QB, that's elite, no question.

I figure that at any point in time, there are 5 guys on the planet that play NFL QB at an 'elite' level. Some guys are perennial, some guys have a flash year, some guys age off of it or are injured and never regain it.

If Burrow is QB2, and I think he is, then that is elite.

mr. tegu 01-31-2023 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16780324)
Then you have an absurd bar for 'elite'.

If a guy is probably the second best QB, that's elite, no question.

I figure that at any point in time, there are 5 guys on the planet that play NFL QB at an 'elite' level. Some guys are perennial, some guys have a flash year, some guys age off of it or are injured and never regain it.

If Burrow is QB2, and I think he is, then that is elite.


Being a top regular season QB doesn’t make you elite.

DrunkBassGuitar 01-31-2023 08:29 AM

He might be elite but I'll never admit it because **** the Bengals

scho63 01-31-2023 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16780255)
Wut? They haven't beaten us twice at Arrowhead

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 16780304)
They’ve won 1 at Arrowhead (“22 AFCCG), which is why the Burrowhead comment was ALWAYS asinine.

And yes, Burrow is absolutely an elite QB, but a step below Mahomes who is otherworldly.

Yes, I meant two AFC Championships. Thanks for the correction. :thumb:

Red Dawg 01-31-2023 08:40 AM

Joe i a really good QB but like Brady he must have things be perfect. OL, Running game, defense and top talent. He won't make it happen.

MahomesMagic 01-31-2023 08:43 AM

In a universe where Mahomes played baseball, Joe Burrow is the best QB in the NFL.

Unfortunately for Joe, that's not this world.

Eureka 01-31-2023 08:46 AM

Some people just hate winners. Especially when it's not your team or they compete with your team yearly.

Joe passes the eye test. He has changed the outlook of the Bengals franchise.

MahomesMagic 01-31-2023 08:57 AM

Burrow is dangerous enough that we can't play around in off-season.

He will get his OL solidified.

We need another pass-rusher and 1 more coverage safety for me to breathe easier on defense.

If we don't do that, I'm also fine with adding another OL and a top weapon and just letting Mahomes score 35+ a game.

Chris Meck 01-31-2023 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16780387)
Being a top regular season QB doesn’t make you elite.

guy's taken a perennial bottom feeder team to two AFCCG's in three seasons, and won one of them.

You're bonkers.

He's unquestionably elite. You have no idea what you're looking at if you watch him play, look at that accuracy and think he's not elite.

Bonkers.

Red Dawg 01-31-2023 09:21 AM

Joe has played one good post season game. Then rest the defense carried them in reality.


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