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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16235193)

I went back and looked at the last mock before the draft and this is what he had.

2nd - Jamin Davis, LB
3rd - He traded down and took Dayo Odeyingbo, DE.
3rd - Tommy Tremble, TE
4th - Jaelon Darden, WR

So he had positions right but was nowhere close on the type of player in that position that the Chiefs were looking at.

Works for me.

I have no issue with the positions he took. I simply don't like some of the players he took.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16235204)

Works for me.

I have no issue with the positions he took. I simply don't like some of the players he took.

What was his mock?

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16235204)

Works for me.

I have no issue with the positions he took. I simply don't like some of the players he took.

Exactly. I'm just saying that I think he knows the positions that the Chiefs are looking into...but not specific players.

Plus he used the PFF Mock Draft tool to do his mock. It's not like he's fleshing out where he thinks guys are going. It would basically be like us writing a long article about one of our mock drafts.

Pointless.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16230986)

Karlaftis and Ojabo are my dream picks at 29 and 30.

I’m really warming up to this plan. Even the small trade up to 21 to 23 range to get Karliftis. And then Ojabo with the 29th or 30th pick that is left over. Clark is going to play. Let Ojabo get healthy and work into the lineup in the last half of the season. I like it a lot.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16235157)

Tee Higgins
Jonathan Taylor
Jayson Oweh
Jevon Holland
Elijah Moore
Greg Rousseau
Antoine Winfield
Patrick Queen
Xavier McKinney
Kyle Dugger
Chase Claypool
Jaylon Johnson
Asante Samuel Jr
Azeez Ojulari

That’s the last 2 years of guys in that 2nd wave of “2nd rd prospects” that could be taken at the end of the first.

You wouldn’t take any of these guys?

Sure.

Now do the rest of the guys taken in those spots.

I'd love some of those guys. Taken in the 2nd round.

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 16235210)

I’m just sick of the dog shit we’ve had at EDGE.

Double dip early and get it over with, just like the OL last year.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16235151)

Sure - there's some static in the analysis without question. There always will be.

The idea being that the law of large numbers would help to cancel some of that out.

You can't get a perfect answer, but I think over a large enough sample size you can get some meaningful data. And I think the data sure suggests that yes, 1st round picks are more valuable than 2nd rounders. But that they are perhaps not as much more valuable as sometimes suggested. Additionally, it really suggests (quite loudly, in fact) that 2nd and 3rd round picks are much more valuable than conventionally understood.

I think what some of us are guilty of, myself included, is taking our 'franchise QB or bust' mindset and carrying it forward. When it comes to the QB position, 2nd and 3rd is a wasteland. And we hammered that point so hard for so long that 2nd and 3rd round picks just became afterthoughts to us. But in actuality, when it comes to every OTHER position on the board, they're not substantially less likely to hit than 1st rounders are. At least in relation to other picks that could be taken.

I suppose what you could do to counter that is say "well wait a minute, a late 3rd rounder at 111 points is half as likely to be successful as a late 1st at 220..."

And then the math starts to check out a bit. But if you can take that late 1st and then turn it into a mid-2nd and a mid 3rd then do some combined probability work, you're well ahead w/ the latter scenario.

But then I just get crosseyed again and start praying for the draft to hurry up and get here.

Like I said - it's all just jerking off until the picks are actually up and you see who's available.

I think they've also painted themselves into a corner where they really need to hammer this draft pretty hard from a roster standpoint.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16235208)

What was his mock?

Pick 21 (Trade up - 29 and 94): Jameson Williams
Pick 30: Boye Mafe, DE
Pick 50: Drake Jackson, DE
Pick 62: Martin Emerson, CB
Pick 93: Greg Dulcich, TE
Pick 121: Cordale Flott, LSU

I mean in my eyes he set picks 30-62 on fire. All that draft capital and he took 2 guys with scheme and/or productivity limitations as well as a reach at CB. And yeah, he appears to have forgotten about our extra 4th rounder (which is where you should get someone like Emerson).

It's not a very good draft, IMO. But I don't mind the idea of trading up for Williams then going DE, DE, CB and TE.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16235215)

I’m just sick of the dog shit we’ve had at EDGE.

Double dip early and get it over with, just like the OL last year.

I think you pretty much have to. Probably even sign some other vets after the draft.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16235208)

What was his mock?

21. Traded a first and third to move up for Jameson Williams, WR.
30. Boye Mafe, DE
50. Drake Jackson, DE
62. Martin Emerson, CB
93. Greg Dulcich, TE
121. Cordale Flott, CB
229. Aaron Hansford, LB
233. Logan Bruss, OT

Still not sure what he did with our other 4th round pick because he doesn't include it in the trade up.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16235215)

I’m just sick of the dog shit we’ve had at EDGE.

Double dip early and get it over with, just like the OL last year.

Same place I've been since the season ended, man.

I'm DONE with this trash ****ing DL. Take the Buffalo approach, throw a TON of draft capital at the situation and let it sort itself out.

We have nothing on that DL. Worse, we have no real long-term assets on there either. I mean Kaindoh is the nearest we have to a projectable asset on the entire DL and that's just a ROUGH spot to find yourself.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE the fact that Nate went DE early twice. It's just the guys that he took.

I'd much rather take Cameron Thomas and Sam Williams....instead of Mafe and Jackson.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16235120)

Oh, I'm 100% on board with trading back for picks.

The problem is, who are people gonna wanna trade up for?

In the end, it comes down to your trust for your scouting.

Man, if a QB poor team wants to trade back up into the late first to take one so they have that 5th year flexibility, I'd be all about that.

I really think that the 2nd round is where all the value is.

**** it! move around, trade picks, and get ALL 8 PICKS into that 2nd round!

Haha.

Kidding.

Kind of.

I’m fine with Mafe if they pair him with Williams or Thomas at 50.

Jackson after going Mafe there is kind of yuck though.

And I’d much rather go DT at 62 than CB if Emerson is the best we can do.

I think Nate just gets to each pick in his mock draft and looks around....

"They really need a CB. Who's the best here?'

Finds one and then picks one. Nate has admitted that he's not well versed on draft prospects every year.