The clock always stops after a defensive penalty.

It's supposed to start again when the ball is spotted/ref gives the ready to play signal.

I'm literally reading the rules to you when I say:

YOU CANNOT FLAG A QUARTERBACK FOR INTENTIONAL GROUNDING IF HE IS NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

That's the very first stipulation of the penalty.

Defensive pressure.

No defensive pressure = no grounding.

Literally in the rules.

Literally the first sentence.

Literally ignored by fat ref.

PMII was just ****ing with the ref to see what the ref would call. You could tell by the gleam in PMII’s eye.

So if a team wants to throw a pass to stop the clock and not get intentional grounding, but the game clock isn't running?

You gotta throw at a receivers feet. Toward the line of scrimmage.

Or get outside the pocket REAL quick and throw it away.

According to the rules for like, 25 years or so.

It was a mistake.

On Reid and Mahomes.

Of course, the officials should have told them that the clock was stopped and that they would not wind it with the play clock...

But that's not what we're talking about here.

Not within the last 2 minutes of the half or 5 minutes of the game. It stays stopped until the snap - just like OOB.

OOB = Old Otter Balls

REID AND MAHOMES ****ED UP.

They shouldn't have spiked the ****ing ball - I HATE THE ****ING NFL AND HOW THEY INTERPRET RULES AND HOW THEY RIG SHIT ALL THE ****ING TIME.

AND GODDAMN IT CLAY, I'M TELLING YOU THEY INTERPRETED IT CORRECTLY. THIS TIME.

In order to SPIKE TO SAVE TIME...THERE HAS TO BE TIME RUNNING OFF THE CLOCK AT THE TIME OF THE SNAP.

There was ZERO time saved by the spike. In fact...we lost time and yardage and a FG attempt.

There was XX time when the play clock started.

PMII could have taken 24 seconds to look things over with no loss of gametime. That'd be why it was illegal - because he didn't HAVE to do it. Because the clock wasn't running.

You lovable lunkhead. Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

What that means to me, and the NFL, is that even if he isn't under pressure, he didn't do it to stop the clock...because the clock was already stopped.

Which supersedes the 'lack of pressure', as the penalty occurs without regard to pressure - or lack thereof.

Which makes it intentional grounding.

I am fantastically excited to learn about this part of the intentional grounding penalty rule,

Can you show it to me in the rule book?

I WISH TO LEARN ABOUT IT.

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"



If the clock isn't running AT THE SNAP, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Since the clock was not running AT THE THE SNAP, therefore it is impossible to have a spike to stop a clock that is already stopped.

That's just logic.

It's impossible to spike a ball to save time on a clock that is not running.

It can't be done.

If the clock is stopped, then you can't spike the ball. Because you're not doing the spike to stop a clock that is not running.

That means, it was intentional grounding. If the clock is stopped, then you're not spiking the ball to stop a clock that isn't running.

By definition.

You can't legally stop a clock that isn't running. It isn't possible.

I don't know how else to explain that to you.

It's like trying to explain how water is wet, at this point.

So it's a penalty just because you did not have to do it but no advantage is gained in fact you lose the down? Makes no sense.

Quite right my friend.

I am still awaiting a copy and pasting of the rule for intentional grounding that occurs with no defensive pressure.

Did they conveniently leave that page out of the online PDF?

IS IS A MYSTERY

For that stupid ****ing spike to be a ****ing penalty.

There would have to be a section in the ****ing rule book.

That specifies:

Show me that mother****ing sentence. Otherwise that ****ing FAT ****ING BUTT****ING ZERBA **** WA S****INGWROIWQNMAIANJCVISEJDGFAEDU

But the call was declined. I assumed if the play on the field is kept the clock would be related to that result.

The intentional grounding was a bullshit call the Refs ****ed up. It's right up there with the forward progress being stopped when it should have been a sack fumble but Triplette decided otherwise