While points allowed is a key stat, it is not everything. Time of possession and yardage are still important factors. I'd be curious to see those rankings for all of the seasons Sutton has been here. 2016 was a good defense as far as getting turnovers, but what happens in a game when your defense isn't getting turnovers? Sure, they held the Steelers to 18 points, but the Steelers held the ball for quite a bit of time during that game and didn't allow our offense to get into much of a rhythm. And don't get me wrong, I still mostly blame Alex Smith for that shit show.

And while Sutton may not be anything great, he is not bad. And nowhere near as bad as Greg what's his name. Not to mention the talent is much greater on this team than Vermeil's defenses. You'd have to be a moron to believe this defense will be as bad as that 2002 Chiefs team. Personally, I think this defense is going to surprise people and be better than expected, ranking 15-20 in yardage.

I seem to remember Wesley being decent. Fujita was okay but I don't remember him doing a whole helluva lot while with the Chiefs. I think he went on to have mild success elsewhere (Saints/Cowboys?). Sims was a huge bust. And that had to be the worst trio of CBs of all time.

Sutton was a part of the Rex Ryan defensive philosophy, no? That ain't bend-but-don't-break.
I would think that we had some talent deficiencies here that prevented anything else AS WELL AS a low scoring offense for several of the seasons. So you can't take chances really, because the offense can't respond. So, you end up playing conservatively on both sides.

Not saying that's the whole story, but played a part. Last year, injuries and age just tanked the talent level and we got exposed.

I'm not sure how much more you can revamp the starting 11 in one offseason than we have. I bet it's a lot better.

Time of possession had largely been in the Chiefs' favor probably up until this season.

As for yardage, this defense has never really done a good job limiting yards. I think Reid and Sutton viewed it as a tradeoff between yardage and points allowed the past couple of years given some of the JAGs we've had to start throughout the unit, particularly in the secondary.

I think you can criticize it as being overly cautious, particularly when we got into the playoffs, but it's very possible that Sutton was actually maximizing the defense's contributions to winning games given some of the holes in the roster they had to endure.

I thought Sutton should have been fired, but I'm not irate that he was kept aboard, and for the moment I'm going to be pretty patient to see how they change things up and improve.

If RBs and WRs are still racking up career days against us, and if Sutton is continuing to hold players like Houston back from being aggressive, then I'll re-join the angry townspeople with torches and pitchforks.

A big difference is we’re going to have a qb who keeps his eyes down field, and isn’t afraid to pull the trigger on a big play instead of running into a sack. Mahomes is surely gonna crush our hopes and dreams sometimes with a interception, and likely at a bad time in the playoffs. But he’s capable of the other side of that coin too. He will likely win us some games with his arm, and playmaking abilities. I’m both playoff games you mentioned, we sputtered badly in the second half on offense. In either of those games a single score would have won it for us. But our old qb couldn’t handle that pressure with the game on the line. When we got into those situations be it regular season or post season, I never had faith that Alex would lead us back once the lead was gone. You could just see it in his mannerisms. Impossible to say if Mahomes can overcome what Alex couldn’t, but at this point we only have hope that he can.

Ditto👍

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Defense still looks soft and doing the same shit. No push, playing way off of WR's. I know it's just pre-season game #1 but some things just need to be evident all the time. Things like push at the line are something we need to see all the time from our 1's & 2's

Vermeil 2.0 ? Didn't we have a HOF o-line ? How does our current o-line compare to Vermeil 1.0:D

I think you're taking that a bit too literally. The point is we are going to be all offense, no defense.

Too literally ? Roaf,Shields and Waters ? All offense ? Nothing personal here but you did see our o-line tonight, correct? How do they compare with Vermeil 1.0 ? Mahomes will be lucky to make it through the season. Texans didn't even have Watt.:rolleyes:

We're soooooo ****ing there. Sutton is a ****ing moron. That's why Andy loves him.

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No because the offense will just be slightly less terrible than the defense.

Sutton's, "bend before you break", and, "stay bent" systems both suck. He's just stuck with players who bend in a lite breeze.

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