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Sassy Squatch 01-13-2018 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359563)
Sutton =/ GROB

Sutton makes the most out of a defense lacking talent. This unit performed to it's capacity. It's tough to call plays with Frank Zombo-sized holes in the front seven.
Kpassagnon didn't play a single snap after bitchslapping the Broncos first round LT around. Utter failure at utilizing talent.

RunKC 01-13-2018 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359552)
A defense holding a team under 20 is not failing.

Allowing 22 is worse, obviously, but not a disaster. A great many teams have gone on Super Bowl runs with their defense allowing 22 or even 23 or 24 points in a game!

*gasp* the horror!
By this logic, the defense failed in 1/3 of our games this year allowed 27 or more points.

GloryDayz 01-13-2018 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359563)
Sutton =/ GROB

Sutton makes the most out of a defense lacking talent. This unit performed to it's capacity. It's tough to call plays with Frank Zombo-sized holes in the front seven.
Gotta disagree with you here. The old ****er was so stupid he thought dropping Houston into coverage was more effective than rushing him. That's dumb, and not up for debate, so there are a lot of things that make Sutton as dumb, if not more stupid, than the shithole GROB.

NJChiefsFan 01-13-2018 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359552)
A defense holding a team under 20 is not failing.

Allowing 22 is worse, obviously, but not a disaster. A great many teams have gone on Super Bowl runs with their defense allowing 22 or even 23 or 24 points in a game!

*gasp* the horror!
Say what you want. Context matters. You want us to use it when it's convenient for you and ignore it when it isn't.

Smith needs to go. Doesn't mean the defense did its job in the 2nd half.

Hammock Parties 01-13-2018 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13359569)
By this logic, the defense failed in 1/3 of our games this year allowed 27 or more points.
Not really. Their performances in NE and against the Texans were not failures.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-13-2018 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13358985)
The Chiefs aren't stupid.

An unbiased, objective viewpoint of the situation says:

1. The Chiefs won games for four years because their defense was remarkably good at preventing the opponent from scoring while forcing turnovers.

2. The Chiefs allowed 18.3 PPG over their last 8 games.

3. The Chiefs defense was a HUGE catalyst in getting this team into the playoffs.

4. Allowing 22 points in a playoff game is not a fireable offense.

Bob will be back.
Those 18 points is top 5 in the NFL. Nearly 4 and a half years hovering around the top 5 in points.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-13-2018 10:11 PM
Clay is right, but it is probably time to let Werthers go

Best22 01-13-2018 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13359616)
Those 18 points is top 5 in the NFL. Nearly 4 and a half years hovering around the top 5 in points.
In the regular season against non-playoff teams

The 2003 Chiefs held many opponents to similar point totals in the regular season

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2018 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359563)
Sutton =/ GROB

Sutton makes the most out of a defense lacking talent. This unit performed to it's capacity. It's tough to call plays with Frank Zombo-sized holes in the front seven.
Are you sure about that?

2003 Chiefs Defense: 332 points against with 5707 yards allowed.

2017 Chiefs Defense: 339 points against with 5842 yards allowed.

Looks frighteningly similar to me.

Hammock Parties 01-13-2018 10:33 PM
You need to account for era, and playoff performance.

This defense is far better at stopping teams from scoring in a far more pass-happy era.

And they didn't allow 38 ****in' points.

ARROW2 01-13-2018 10:37 PM
Really moderators? Really?

NJChiefsFan 01-13-2018 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359676)
You need to account for era, and playoff performance.

This defense is far better at stopping teams from scoring in a far more pass-happy era.

And they didn't allow 38 ****in' points.
Need to account for era but don't need to account for the context of when they gave up the points in games. Ok.

I'm not even hell bent on firing the guy. I think it's time but I won't freak. But your convenient use of your logic is impressive at times.

RunKC 01-13-2018 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359582)
Not really. Their performances in NE and against the Texans were not failures.
Offense bailed them out in those games.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2018 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13359676)
You need to account for era, and playoff performance.

This defense is far better at stopping teams from scoring in a far more pass-happy era.

And they didn't allow 38 ****in' points.
Total points scored in 2017: 11,190: Average of 21.8 points per team per game.

Total points scored in 2003: 10,666: Average of 20.8 points per team per game.

Wow, such difference.

Playoff performance? You mean 2 of the biggest choke jobs in history? You mean when they allowed 45 points to the Colts?

JENKINSWINS 01-13-2018 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 13359683)
Really moderators? Really?
ROFL


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