Well, way to make an irrelevant post.

It really doesn't matter who you're dropping the n00b card on in this conversation 'cause it's just as fuggen ig-nert a post either way...

Look now, for the first half of him playing, he took a ton of sacks because he'd look at his first guy sometimes to the 2nd guy and if they weren't there he was going to run or take the sack and yes he looked at the rush. I would think anyone that hadn't played in as long as him would look at the rush.

I even gave him a break saying his sack numbers are higher than they should be because he wouldn't take risks because he was told not to. The same reason I think he had a good INT number he took the sacks instead of risking a pick because he was told not to turn it over. It probably contributes to why some of us think he holds the ball to long, he may not even do that but was going on what he was told to do.

He has a lot to prove a lot of his huge issue should improve with playing time but I do think he'll throw more picks this year because of the difference in talent and I think he'll take more chances.

That's a Dr. Cox quote you drunkard; keep up!:cuss::D

Why are you completely ignoring the fact that the Patriots couldn't pass block for shit the first half of the year?

This is honestly a non-issue.

They couldn't pass block because he is completely different than Brady. Brady would change plays and have the ball out in about 3 seconds, no one would expect Cassel to do that and they were playing a different type of offense.

With Brady it was, big plays score a lot of points QB is out best player all of that.

With Cassel it was we have talent if you do enough and don't screw up we can still win a lot of games. And it's what they should of done with a guy who hadn't played in so long.

NE's line isn't awesome or bad, a lot of how they had looked in previous years had to do with the way Brady plays. Hell they ran the hell out of the ball this past year.

The Chiefs I feel will let Cassel do his thing and not tell him not to take chances and all of that that's why I think his pick numbers will increase it's really only logical.

Why are you completely ignoring the fact that the Chiefs line sucks even more balls than the Pats 2008 line?

Debatable, as we've already discussed.

The Chiefs gave up fewer sacks last year for sure.

Best EVAR in KC.

I'm not going to take the time to post screen caps.

Here's Taylor: http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Ot00.htm?redir

Here's Bowe:

Garbage. They couldn't pass block because the ****ing linemen got BEAT.

Cassel should NOT be penalized for not being Tom Brady.

It has a lot to do with it, most of their line has been playing with Brady for their entire pro careers. A lot of their system is set up around Brady...and Brady was to the point where he made excessively fast reads and had the ball out in a hurry.

Their line isn't great but they make the system work because of Tom Brady.

We'll know a lot about Cassel pretty early on because those teams are going to hit him.

Cassel is easily twice as mobile as Brady which is why I scratch my chin when I see the sack totals...

At espn, they have a player page where it splits his stats up to scenarios that is very usefull. I would go there and post a link, but I am posting on the road from my instinct phone and espn loads slowly and Im lazy. Im sure someone will do so from their homebase. Especially after the final line of this post!

iirc he took about 30 sacks in the first 8 games and 17 in the last 8 (5 of which came against pittsburg...again iirc).

His comp % dropped every quarter as well.

His rating dropped 20 points in the 4th quarter

his passes over 30 yards were complete dogshit

he wasnt good AT ALL from under center.

the guy definatly has the tools to make it and the work ethic to as well, but he is far from a finished product.

Wanna hear a kinda crazy and unbelievable stat?

Thigpen went 10td/0int while under center!

The idea that the Pats line is good is ****ing hog$#it.

The exact same line that ended Bledsoe's career in NE is the same line Brady rode to a Lombardi.

Brady gets rid of the ball quick. He reads the field unbelievably well. He is decisive.

His line, and has for years, sucks...

Actually being mobile and getting sacked aren't really things that become exclusive.

Brady feels pressure and moves in the pocket and makes quick reads and gets the ball out in a hurry. He has a knack for just moving a few steps and avoiding rushers.

There are mobile QB's who take more sacks because they have a tendency to look at the rush or start running around and still get tackled behind the line.

Being mobile is nice but it doesn't mean you'll take less sacks.

Generally speaking the speed of your reads, release and your pocket presence are what goes into your sack totals.