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SCTrojan 01-16-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5396859)
Might as well be.

If Carroll feels Mark is making a mistake, fine. He's entitled to that opinion.

But what I don't understand is what there is to gain for Carroll in making it public, other than trying to embarrass Mark, or get him to change his mind. Calling out the decision publicly serves no good purpose, IMO.

Well, we disagree on this one. I've listened to other interviews Pete did, and he doesn't come within a stone's throw of calling Mark an idiot. He said Mark was making a decision that the percentages didn't support. He said that Mark is going against the grain and they didn't see eye-to-eye on the decision. If you interpret that as tantamount to calling him an idiot, then so be it.

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan (Post 5396873)
Well, we disagree on this one. I've listened to other interviews Pete did, and he doesn't come within a stone's throw of calling Mark an idiot. He said Mark was making a decision that the percentages didn't support. He said that Mark is going against the grain and they didn't see eye-to-eye on the decision. If you interpret that as tantamount to calling him an idiot, then so be it.

I'd be curious as to what the failure rate is for Senior QB's. And I'd also like to see a breakdown on this 62% number and see how it was arrived at.

I bet the senior failure rate is comparable, yet Carroll wants to hang his hat on stats, while ignoring the fact that Sanchez gets jack shit if he suffers a significant injury after returning.

By PC bringing it out in the media, one of two things is going to happen:

Sanchez will not be a 1st round pick, and will look stupid for declaring, or he will he a high pick, and Carroll will look stupid for making an issue out of it publicly.

Someone is going to lose, and it didn't have to be this way. What's so hard about keeping this in-house?

SCTrojan 01-16-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5396899)
I'd be curious as to what the failure rate is for Senior QB's. And I'd also like to see a breakdown on this 62% number and see how it was arrived at.

I bet the senior failure rate is comparable, yet Carroll wants to hang his hat on stats, while ignoring the fact that Sanchez gets jack shit if he suffers a significant injury after returning.

I think he was talking about underclassmen QBs, but am not sure. I think the more compelling data point is that of number of college starts in relation to success in the NFL.

IMO Pete used the stats to illustrate what the best set of circumstances might be for Mark to come out and be successful. I don't think people would argue that Mark has put himself in the best situation in terms of preparation and experience to be a productive NFL QB.

I admit I thought Pete could have handled the press conference better. But I also think that he had the player's best interests at heart. FWIW, I thought that this interview a bit later was more indicative of how he felt.

http://www.am570radio.com/cc-common/...KLAC-AM&TRACK=

Chiefnj2 01-16-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5396859)
Might as well be.

If Carroll feels Mark is making a mistake, fine. He's entitled to that opinion.

But what I don't understand is what there is to gain for Carroll in making it public, other than trying to embarrass Mark, or get him to change his mind. Calling out the decision publicly serves no good purpose, IMO.

Maybe he was hoping the kid would change his mind. As long as he didn't talk to an agent he could have had a change of heart.

Brock 01-16-2009 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5397022)
Maybe he was hoping the kid would change his mind. As long as he didn't talk to an agent he could have had a change of heart.

No reason to go public.

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5397022)
Maybe he was hoping the kid would change his mind. As long as he didn't talk to an agent he could have had a change of heart.

Which is fine, I pointed that out earlier.

But is calling him out in public the only way that Carroll feels is going to get Mark to change his mind?

Again, I have NO problem with Carroll having this opinion.

I have a huge problem with taking it to the media.

SAUTO 01-16-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan (Post 5396873)
Well, we disagree on this one. I've listened to other interviews Pete did, and he doesn't come within a stone's throw of calling Mark an idiot. He said Mark was making a decision that the percentages didn't support. He said that Mark is going against the grain and they didn't see eye-to-eye on the decision. If you interpret that as tantamount to calling him an idiot, then so be it.

SOUNDED like pete is covering his own ass, you know if sanchez fails pete can tell the next HS qb who he's sitting with "well sanchez failed but i told him so' classless douchebag thing to do. like i said in another post self serving, the "i care about my players" is now "i care about them as long as they do as i want"

Chiefnj2 01-16-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5396899)

I bet the senior failure rate is comparable, yet Carroll wants to hang his hat on stats, while ignoring the fact that Sanchez gets jack shit if he suffers a significant injury after returning.

Sanchez could get insurance and I'm sure boosters would have set him up* if he returned. Plus, if the advisory board is correct and he doesn't get drafted until the second round then he will have lost millions.





*Without violating any NCAA rules of course.

Hootie 01-16-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5397034)
I have a huge problem with taking it to the media.

ROFL

Pete is probably very sorry to disappoint you.

Chiefnj2 01-16-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5397034)
Which is fine, I pointed that out earlier.

But is calling him out in public the only way that Carroll feels is going to get Mark to change his mind?

I think it was his last opportunity. According to Carroll everyone but Sanchez thought he should return - advisory board, coaches, his parents, etc.

SAUTO 01-16-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan (Post 5396924)
I think he was talking about underclassmen QBs, but am not sure. I think the more compelling data point is that of number of college starts in relation to success in the NFL.

IMO Pete used the stats to illustrate what the best set of circumstances might be for Mark to come out and be successful. I don't think people would argue that Mark has put himself in the best situation in terms of preparation and experience to be a productive NFL QB.

I admit I thought Pete could have handled the press conference better. But I also think that he had the player's best interests at heart. FWIW, I thought that this interview a bit later was more indicative of how he felt.

http://www.am570radio.com/cc-common/...KLAC-AM&TRACK=

i havent got time now to listen, but if its any different then why didnt he say this on NATIONAL TV and just on local radio?

SAUTO 01-16-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5397049)
I think it was his last opportunity. According to Carroll everyone but Sanchez thought he should return - advisory board, coaches, his parents, etc.

then why do all the experts have him as a sure fire 1st as of now?

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5397049)
I think it was his last opportunity. According to Carroll everyone but Sanchez thought he should return - advisory board, coaches, his parents, etc.

That's the thing, it WASN'T his last opportunity.

Sanchez has (well, had) 4 days to rescind his decision. Michael Oher took advantage of this option last year. This is assuming he hasn't hired an agent.

I'm not sure how anyone can justify a coach doing this to one of his players.

SCTrojan 01-16-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5397050)
i havent got time now to listen, but if its any different then why didnt he say this on NATIONAL TV and just on local radio?

Don't really know - maybe it was because he had cooled down. If you believe everyone involved, Pete and Mark had been up discussing it late into the night after Pete had just returned from vacation in Hawaii. Pete is a passionate guy and probably isn't used to Mark not listening to his counsel.

warrior 01-16-2009 03:01 PM

Carroll's just worried about another trophey.


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