sounds like the guy is an idiot then

Name three players, young or old, that DV inherited from Gunther, that were the equivelent of LJ, DJ and Jared Allen.

yeah, I didn't think so.

Tony Gonzalez
Will Shields
Donnie Edwards

Of course Vermeil saw fit to under use Gonzalez until it was apparent he was the best option. HE ALSO DUMPED DONNIE EDWARDS. WONDERFUL MOVE.

At least Dick found a way to use ONE future Hall of Famer correctly from the beginning. :rolleyes:

Herm's been captain of this crap barge for its entire voyage from the playoffs down to the sewer of the NFL. Just like the condition he left the Jets in. It's kind of funny that the Jets were also 10-6 when Herm took over, but were 4-12 when he left.

Too bad Herm couldn't leave the Chiefs when we were 4-12 last year.

It boggles the mind that people are still defending Herm like he's doing a great job or something. They aren't even losing competently. They don't look like they have little talent. They look like clowns who couldn't coach the Chiefs to a win against a peewee team.

Yippee, we're gonna lose 12 or 13 games this year! Herm is so awesome! Herm should be coach for life! Dick Curl is a QB genius! Gunther is the best defensive mind evar!

[sigh] I know you won't respond to this (I've posted it numerous times in the last few days) but the problem isn't going 0-2 or even losing to the Raiders; the problem is that we got blown out by a bottom 5 team and the coaching was a huge part of the loss. 3 QBs in the 1st quarter, including a 5'9" WR running the option and ramming LJ into a congested line over and over and over is not productive and is not acceptable.

That Raider game was one of maybe 5 games the Chiefs will have a chance to win this year and, realistically, probably the easiest game on the schedule and the Chiefs were never in it at all in large part due to the coaching decisions. I'm fine with letting Thigpen play (while Croyle is hurt) and see if he develops but you cannot defend the choice to put Hagans at QB to run the option.

Herm ran that game as though it were a fifth preseason game and that is not acceptable. It is one thing if we lose while the young guys are learning and developing but it is quite another if we lose because we are using philosophies and strategies which don't belong in the NFL and putting players in who have no chance at developing into the position. Get McIntosh off the damn field, never put Hagans at QB again and play a professional style of ball and I will accept the 13 losses this year much more graciously.

And then Mangini PROMPTLY made the playoffs with Herm's talent.



WHAT?

That's exactly what they look like.

Our quarterbacks suck.

Our offensive line sucks.

We have one wide receiver.

We have one linebacker.

so what you are saying is Herm can take a playoff team and make them lose 12 games all by himself. I think I might agree with that.

Are you seriously this dense?

The 2007 Chiefs did not have the talent of the previous year's squad.

I said Herm has taken both teams he's coached from 10-6 and in the playoffs to 4-12. Then you said "well that team wasn't that bad because Mangini took them to the playoffs".

I simply repeated what you said, Herm took a playoff team and made them 4-12.

Herm sucks on gameday, but he also sucks at replacing departing talent on the team at a rate that will even keep the team on an even keel. The verdict is in, every team he coaches gets progressively worse. He blows.

ROFL Donnie "drag me 10 yards and I will get you down" Edwards? The other two were passed on to Gunther, and ended up being passed on to Herm ****ing Edwards as well. Try again!

What?

No, he didn't.

PLAYERS GET OLD. THEY RETIRE. THEY BECOME LESS SKILLED.

The decline of Vermeil's Chiefs had NOTHING to do with Herm Edwards.

Bullshit. Bull, ****ing, shit.

Bullshit.

You're full of ****ing shit.

Donnie Edwards was a MUCH better player in 2001 than Derrick Johnson was in 2006.

The fact you want to dismiss Tony and Will is bullshit.

BULL
****ING SHIT

Your hatred of Herm Edwards has completely clouded your point of view. You are not willing to give him credit for a GOD DAMN THING.

Exactly. The team has declined under Herm and he's not done a thing to stop it. He's inept.

And the decline curiously resembles what he did to the Jets, take them from 6 losses to 12. But what do you know, get a coach in there who's not a complete moron, and they instantly make the playoffs.

What should Herm have done? Signed a bunch of free agents?

Herm did the only logical thing he could do - build via the draft. That process involves growing pains.

GET A CLUE.

I give Herm credit for an eleven game losing streak...