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DRM08 12-18-2024 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17864062)
I used to think that too but IDK, Manning had some pretty low playoff moments and the numbers back it. Like his production definitely dipped.

Then you have Mahomes whose playoff stats and record is that of a unanimous NFL MVP. In the biggest games and against the best opponents. It's not talked about enough because people are already tired of him.

Peyton Manning was carried by defense to both of his rings. Very low passer rating in the Playoffs for both 2006 & 2015 seasons. In the Playoffs for 2006, Peyton had 3 TD and 7 INT. Hard to believe the Colts won it all that year with the QB turning the ball over so much. His brother was actually better than him in the Playoffs.

irafreak 12-18-2024 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17864073)
This is more of a discussion of QB’s after Mahomes. This year has solidified Allen as QB2 and it’s not close. None of us would take Burrow or Lamar or Stroud or anyone over him if Mahomes wasn’t an option.

And he may be the most talented QB ever due to his legs. He’s certainly up there.

If he ends up being Dan Marino/Charles Barkley then that’s still a HOF player and one of the best, most talented QB’s ever. I think people place team success on QB’s too much. We all know the Brady morons do this for SB55 when it was clearly not Mahomes fault.

Allen will win MVP this year and he deserves it. But he’s gotta beat Mahomes at some point if he wants to ever win a ring.

Well technically the chiefs could at some point lose a divisional or wildcard round game and Allen never even plays him in the afc championship...

DJay23 12-18-2024 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17864045)
In a row? I believe so. Overall? Nope as I believe Denver has 5 of them.

New England has also lost 5.

WilliamTheIrish 12-18-2024 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17863861)
And here's the thing.

"It's not his fault he lost"

It never is, man. And that's why I can't give a shit about Josh Allen no matter how spectacular he looks.

We do this stupid shit every year. Bills warm the hearts and vaginas of every casual NFL fan and become the popular SB pick by season's end, Josh looks great in the playoff game, and the Bills lose. It's not Josh's fault, and that fact is made known by EVERYBODY in the media. It's shouted out loudly and frequently. Some might even say it's shoved down our throats. "Not Allen's fault! Not Allen's fault!"

Enough with the crocodile tears. I don't care. I never did care, and I ESPECIALLY don't care now that he's getting older as a player. Let me know when Josh gets an actual signature win and slays an actual dragon. I figure he'll do it eventually, but thus far for being so goddamn great I haven't seen it yet.

Sorry, but dramatic impressive losses in the playoffs don't do it for me. He's way closer to Justin Herbert than he is Patrick Mahomes

And with the ultimate chance to slay the dragon, on his home field he managed to drive them just far enough to (after playing hero scramble and fumbling - which Chamarri Conner failed to just fall on) allow a risky 40 yard FG.

He’s one of the top 4/5 players in the league. He’s just not Mahomes.

DRM08 12-18-2024 03:12 PM

ESPN is predicting Baltimore to beat KC in Playoffs and Buffalo to win the Super Bowl. Gonna be hilarious if they are wrong.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-59-2025-draft

mschiefs1984 12-18-2024 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17864418)
ESPN is predicting Baltimore to beat KC in Playoffs and Buffalo to win the Super Bowl. Gonna be hilarious if they are wrong.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-59-2025-draft

Gotta love how ESPN will bash the Chiefs for "almost losing" games but then hype Baltimore who has actually lost 5 games this year

MahomesMagic 12-18-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17864073)
This is more of a discussion of QB’s after Mahomes. This year has solidified Allen as QB2 and it’s not close. None of us would take Burrow or Lamar or Stroud or anyone over him if Mahomes wasn’t an option.

And he may be the most talented QB ever due to his legs. He’s certainly up there.

If he ends up being Dan Marino/Charles Barkley then that’s still a HOF player and one of the best, most talented QB’s ever. I think people place team success on QB’s too much. We all know the Brady morons do this for SB55 when it was clearly not Mahomes fault.

Allen will win MVP this year and he deserves it. But he’s gotta beat Mahomes at some point if he wants to ever win a ring.



No. Because talent isn't just size and arm.


Mahomes mental traits far superior to Allen and those are talent traits too.

Mahomes schools Allen in mental processing, throwing with anticipation, accuracy. Mahomes is also the best off-platform thrower the NFL has ever seen combined with his crazy vision seeing where people will open into space.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Allen, Lamar, Burrow, the best season of their individual careers would be the worst season of Patrick’s.”<a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@getnickwright</a> says Mahomes is without a doubt the best QB in the league: <a href="https://t.co/a6WpMsdKe0">pic.twitter.com/a6WpMsdKe0</a></p>&mdash; What’s Wright? with Nick Wright (@WhatsWrightShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/WhatsWrightShow/status/1869175817080819977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

rfaulk34 12-18-2024 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17864443)
No. Because talent isn't just size and arm.


Mahomes mental traits far superior to Allen and those are talent traits too.

Mahomes schools Allen in mental processing, throwing with anticipation, accuracy. Mahomes is also the best off-platform thrower the NFL has ever seen combined with his crazy vision seeing where people will open into space.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Allen, Lamar, Burrow, the best season of their individual careers would be the worst season of Patrick’s.”<a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@getnickwright</a> says Mahomes is without a doubt the best QB in the league: <a href="https://t.co/a6WpMsdKe0">pic.twitter.com/a6WpMsdKe0</a></p>&mdash; What’s Wright? with Nick Wright (@WhatsWrightShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/WhatsWrightShow/status/1869175817080819977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not arguing who's best, but no, the best of theirs being the worst of his isn't even remotely close.

Hammock Parties 12-18-2024 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17864641)
Not arguing who's best, but no, the best of theirs being the worst of his isn't even remotely close.

Allen's best season: AFCCG loss
Lamar's best season: AFCCG loss
Burrow's best season: SB loss

Mahomes worst seasons: AFCCG loss, SB loss

Any questions? o:-)

rfaulk34 12-18-2024 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17864645)
Allen's best season: AFCCG loss
Lamar's best season: AFCCG loss
Burrow's best season: SB loss

Mahomes worst seasons: AFCCG loss, SB loss

Any questions? o:-)

Oh, i see. We're talking about something that takes 22+ people to accomplish.

Carry on.

Hammock Parties 12-18-2024 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17864665)
Oh, i see. We're talking about something that takes 22+ people to accomplish.

Carry on.

In Mahomes' case, he's done it with two completely different rosters. LMAO

Funny how that works for greatness.

RealSNR 12-18-2024 08:29 PM

Josh Allen has 5 career playoff wins.

Mahomes just about matched that in last year's run alone LMAO

Rainbarrel 12-18-2024 09:49 PM

Josh Allen is facing runny creampuffs 75% of the time. He better look good

ForeverIowan 12-18-2024 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17864681)
Josh Allen has 5 career playoff wins.

Mahomes just about matched that in last year's run alone LMAO

4 of the 5 starting QBs in his 5 playoff wins. You can't make this stuff up.

Mason Rudolph
Skylar Thompson
Mac Jones
Phillip Rivers (Colts)

Very nearly lost to Skylar Thompson and 40 year old Phillip Rivers.

New World Order 12-18-2024 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17864665)
Oh, i see. We're talking about something that takes 22+ people to accomplish.

Carry on.

We could talk about individual accomplishments too but I don’t think you want to go there

ForeverIowan 12-18-2024 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17864792)
4 of the 5 starting QBs in his 5 playoff wins. You can't make this stuff up.

Mason Rudolph
Skylar Thompson
Mac Jones
Phillip Rivers (Colts)

Very nearly lost to Skylar Thompson and 40 year old Phillip Rivers.

Same shit. Different year. Talking heads are BORED with the Chiefs. The Chiefs are beyond BORED with regular season games. Chiefs flip the switch in the postseason and the talking heads are flabbergasted. Mahomes come postseason is the best QB who has ever laced em up when the games truly matter. Wash.Rinse.Repeat.

Hammock Parties 12-18-2024 11:43 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GfGCBleX...pg&name=medium

BlackOp 12-19-2024 12:00 AM

Allen is great...but Bills fans always conveniently forget some of his plays in the post-season...like ignoring an open Diggs on their final drive last year. That led to Bass missing...

These are the plays that differentiate the two QBs...

smithandrew051 12-19-2024 12:01 AM

It’s amazing.

Patrick Mahomes is 13-1 immediately after the two most impressive feats of his career (MVP and Super Bowl season as an expensive QB without Tyreek Hill and setting a yardage record; Super Bowl repeat with arguably the toughest path ever through the postseason), and people feel the need to debate who is the best QB in the league.

DRM08 12-19-2024 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 17864819)
Allen is great...but Bills fans always conveniently forget some of his plays in the post-season...like ignoring an open Diggs on their final drive last year. That led to Bass missing...

These are the plays that differentiate the two QBs...

Or the fumble and INT balls that were both lucky as hell on that final drive. KC defense let him off the hook on those plays.

Tribal Warfare 12-19-2024 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17864821)
Or the fumble and INT balls that were both lucky as hell on that final drive. KC defense let him off the hook on those plays.

Dalton Kincaid was involved batting the ball of bounds that wasn't called illegal touching/ progress of football when there was a scrum for it.

Straight, No Chaser 12-19-2024 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mschiefs1984 (Post 17864439)
Gotta love how ESPN will bash the Chiefs for "almost losing" games but then hype Baltimore who has actually lost 5 games this year

The Ravens beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead 27-7, ending Kansas City's hopes of a three-peat.

Well, if you want to be stupid you could place bets purely based on ESPN's Football Power Index (FPI). They run 10,000 simulations to come up with results. AI is not your eye.

Deberg_1990 12-19-2024 06:35 AM

I love Josh Allen. Some of it is he’s been a victim of circumstance. If him
And Mahomes were swapped, the last few years, Allen would have won a title or two by now. He will win one eventually. He’s a stud.

Deberg_1990 12-19-2024 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17864418)
ESPN is predicting Baltimore to beat KC in Playoffs and Buffalo to win the Super Bowl. Gonna be hilarious if they are wrong.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-59-2025-draft

That had to have been written by Rex Ryan.

RealSNR 12-19-2024 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 17864858)
I love Josh Allen. Some of it is he’s been a victim of circumstance. If him
And Mahomes were swapped, the last few years, Allen would have won a title or two by now. He will win one eventually. He’s a stud.

"It's not his fault!"

Like I said, it never is his fault. I just don't care anymore.

New World Order 12-19-2024 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 17864858)
I love Josh Allen. Some of it is he’s been a victim of circumstance. If him
And Mahomes were swapped, the last few years, Allen would have won a title or two by now. He will win one eventually. He’s a stud.

Victim of circumstance.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk

RaidersOftheCellar 12-19-2024 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17864820)
It’s amazing.

Patrick Mahomes is 13-1 immediately after the two most impressive feats of his career (MVP and Super Bowl season as an expensive QB without Tyreek Hill and setting a yardage record; Super Bowl repeat with arguably the toughest path ever through the postseason), and people feel the need to debate who is the best QB in the league.

I can see how someone could watch Allen at his best and think he’s better than Mahomes, particularly this season, but what cracks me up is the inconsistency in logic. We’re not allowed to rate Mahomes above Brady until he has 200 Super Bowl trophies, but it’s okay to elevate a much less accomplished QB over Mahomes every time he strings together a few good games.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-19-2024 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17864902)
I can see how someone could watch Allen at his best and think he’s better than Mahomes, particularly this season, but what cracks me up is the inconsistency in logic. We’re not allowed to rate Mahomes above Brady until he has 200 Super Bowl trophies, but it’s okay to elevate a much less accomplished QB over Mahomes every time he strings together a few good games.

Yep... forever and always we people will have their heels dug into their stances on those discussions.

Mahomes could win 10 and Pats fans are always gonna say Brady was better because of head-to-head. Chiefs fans are always going to say Mahomes was the best player of all time. Bills fans.... you get it.

I guess it's just fun to have a guy in the conversation who is actually getting the hardware for the team while he's at it.

RaidersOftheCellar 12-19-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 17864858)
I love Josh Allen. Some of it is he’s been a victim of circumstance. If him
And Mahomes were swapped, the last few years, Allen would have won a title or two by now. He will win one eventually. He’s a stud.

Even if swapped, I don’t see Allen winning more than maybe 1. And it’s kind of hard to find one, tbh. I doubt he wins with that path and those receivers last season. I don’t see him winning an AFCC with MVS as his top WR (MVS did less than nothing for the Bills this year). He’s not beating the Bucs with that OL in 2020. 2019 or 2021 seem like his best chances, but he wasn’t a very accurate thrower yet in 2019, and average overall at that point. Maybe he gets it done in 2021, but that’s very iffy, considering he completely wet the bed vs the same Bengals defense the next season.

RunKC 12-19-2024 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17864443)
No. Because talent isn't just size and arm.


Mahomes mental traits far superior to Allen and those are talent traits too.

Mahomes schools Allen in mental processing, throwing with anticipation, accuracy. Mahomes is also the best off-platform thrower the NFL has ever seen combined with his crazy vision seeing where people will open into space.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Allen, Lamar, Burrow, the best season of their individual careers would be the worst season of Patrick’s.”<a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@getnickwright</a> says Mahomes is without a doubt the best QB in the league: <a href="https://t.co/a6WpMsdKe0">pic.twitter.com/a6WpMsdKe0</a></p>&mdash; What’s Wright? with Nick Wright (@WhatsWrightShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/WhatsWrightShow/status/1869175817080819977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Joe Brady has done wonders for helping Josh Allen’s processing and decision making. Mahomes is simply more clutch and that’s the difference between the two.

Again, comparing anyone playing today to Mahomes simply isn’t fair bc it’s an impossible standard. Nobody has ever started their career like Patrick. Not even Brady.

If Mahomes wasn’t an option and you had to choose what QB to put on your team you’re 100% choosing Josh Allen. No other QB from QB2 to the field comes close to Josh Allen right now.

ptlyon 12-19-2024 09:36 AM

All this Allen ball nibbling. Meh.

When it comes to crunch time, and Allen locks up, and he will, they will be eliminated from the playoffs before seeing us.

You know it's gonna happen.

TEX 12-19-2024 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17864964)
All this Allen ball nibbling. Meh.

When it comes to crunch time, and Allen locks up, and he will, they will be eliminated from the playoffs before seeing us.

You know it's gonna happen.

Oh, I don't know about that. He's only been sacked 13 times. He has all day to throw. He does not have to think too much this year. Look no further than that as to why he's having the year he's having.
Every time I watch him play, I think it would be nice if Mahomes had as much time to throw the football.

tredadda 12-19-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17864665)
Oh, i see. We're talking about something that takes 22+ people to accomplish.

Carry on.

Would you prefer individual accolades then? He does have two MVPs as well.

Also he has never finished a season with a record that Burrow will this season.

MAG 12-19-2024 10:19 AM

The Bills are very, very good and it's hard to see any team but us or the Ravens beating them in the AFC.

However, their defense has shown to be pretty torchable if Mahomes can get his shit together in the playoffs.

RaidersOftheCellar 12-19-2024 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17864964)
All this Allen ball nibbling. Meh.

When it comes to crunch time, and Allen locks up, and he will, they will be eliminated from the playoffs before seeing us.

You know it's gonna happen.

If they play Baltimore, yes, there's a very good chance they're bounced.

RaidersOftheCellar 12-19-2024 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17864665)
Oh, i see. We're talking about something that takes 22+ people to accomplish.

Carry on.

Franchise with one playoff win since '93 gets a new QB who wins multiple MVPs and goes to 6 straight AFC Championship games and 4 SBs. The last two in rebuilding years with completely different rosters.

Your takeaway: "Well, he just had the fortune of landing on a great team." LMAO

DJ's left nut 12-19-2024 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MAG (Post 17865011)
The Bills are very, very good and it's hard to see any team but us or the Ravens beating them in the AFC.

However, their defense has shown to be pretty torchable if Mahomes can get his shit together in the playoffs.

It would be really nice if it worked out that those 2 play each other in the Divisional round.

Because the Ravens can absolutely grind Buffalo into a fine powder. Just beat the piss out of them. And whoever comes out of that is gonna come out of it with a few dents on the fenders.

BlackOp 12-19-2024 11:06 AM

That's the beauty of inventing fictitious scenarios...you can project whatever best case fantasy you want and never be wrong.

smithandrew051 12-19-2024 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 17865060)
That's the beauty of inventing fictitious scenarios...you can project whatever best case fantasy you want and never be wrong.

It’s worked for my love life as well

OneTallOrder 12-19-2024 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17865028)
If they play Baltimore, yes, there's a very good chance they're bounced.

Its quite rare for a great team to lose back to back to the same team in the same season.

Nobody is beating the Bills in Buffalo. The only AFC team that can stop the Bills are the Chiefs. They'll meet at Arrowhead on January 26th. Book it.

Clyde Frog 12-19-2024 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17865070)
It’s worked for my love life as well


I can Belize that.


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htismaqe 12-19-2024 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OneTallOrder (Post 17865078)
Its quite rare for a great team to lose back to back to the same team in the same season.

Nobody is beating the Bills in Buffalo. The only AFC team that can stop the Bills are the Chiefs. They'll meet at Arrowhead on January 26th. Book it.

The Bills aren't a great team though. They have a great offense but their defense is lacking. Baltimore is the kind of team that can put points on the Bills while simultaneously shortening the game, giving Allen fewer possessions to work his magic.

Bearcat 12-19-2024 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17864982)
Oh, I don't know about that. He's only been sacked 13 times. He has all day to throw. He does not have to think too much this year. Look no further than that as to why he's having the year he's having.
Every time I watch him play, I think it would be nice if Mahomes had as much time to throw the football.

I feel like there has to be some correlation to that when it comes to playoff pressure and adversity... teams like the Ravens last season that completely imploded when they suddenly had to play from behind, or a team like the Lions that have to make those reeruned Campell calls late in a playoff game when they can't simply out-skill a team like all the cupcakes they've played the past two seasons.

Allen should be immune to those things, yet against the Rams he resorted to hero ball towards the end, just like against the Chiefs in the playoffs last season.

Mahomes talks about that a lot, too... practicing and being in specific pressure situations so it's more instinctual.

The last things Bills fans want is Allen thinking.

RaidersOftheCellar 12-19-2024 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTallOrder (Post 17865078)
Its quite rare for a great team to lose back to back to the same team in the same season.

Nobody is beating the Bills in Buffalo. The only AFC team that can stop the Bills are the Chiefs. They'll meet at Arrowhead on January 26th. Book it.

Baltimore is a horrible matchup for the Bills, and the Bills' defense has only gotten worse since they played. I don't see any reason to expect the Bills to win a rematch.

And the funny thing is, even if KC slips up and loses the one seed, Baltimore and Buffalo are still likely to meet. They appear to be on a collision course, and these Buffalo fans penciling themselves into the AFCC (and SB) are only setting themselves up for their biggest meltdown yet.

DJ's left nut 12-19-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17865120)
Baltimore is a horrible matchup for the Bills, and the Bills' defense has only gotten worse since they played. I don't see any reason to expect the Bills to win a rematch.

And the funny thing is, even if KC slips up and loses the one seed, Baltimore and Buffalo are still likely to meet. They appear to be on a collision course, and these Buffalo fans penciling themselves into the AFCC are only setting themselves up for their biggest meltdown yet.

Agreed - Baltimore can beat Buffalo. I still think Baltimore can beat us.

The top 3 teams in the AFC are true 'Any Given Sunday' scenarios. Any one of those teams can beat the other 2 no matter where they play. Home or road, any of those teams can beat the other ones.

Just gotta play better that day.

And it'll be a lot harder to do that TWICE to beat both Buffalo and Baltimore than it would to see those two have to play each other.

Strict odds - those are the only other teams in the AFC that I think are genuine threats to beat the Chiefs without the Chiefs just pooping on their shoes. So my druthers would be to not have to play both of 'em.

RunKC 12-19-2024 12:21 PM

I’m just not worried about about Baltimore. Load the box, put McDuffie on Flowers and force Lamar to throw.

Our run defense is built to stop them and their pas rush is not great with Clowney gone. Their secondary is awful this season.

Lamar has never been close to Josh Allen in January. They are not in the same universe when it matters.

notorious 12-19-2024 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17865130)
Agreed - Baltimore can beat Buffalo. I still think Baltimore can beat us.

The top 3 teams in the AFC are true 'Any Given Sunday' scenarios. Any one of those teams can beat the other 2 no matter where they play. Home or road, any of those teams can beat the other ones.

Just gotta play better that day.

And it'll be a lot harder to do that TWICE to beat both Buffalo and Baltimore than it would to see those two have to play each other.

Strict odds - those are the only other teams in the AFC that I think are genuine threats to beat the Chiefs without the Chiefs just pooping on their shoes. So my druthers would be to not have to play both of 'em.

The lowered odds of winning the following week after playing Pitt or Baltimore has been known for years. It really takes a toll.

MahomesMagic 12-19-2024 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17865142)
I’m just not worried about about Baltimore. Load the box, put McDuffie on Flowers and force Lamar to throw.

Our run defense is built to stop them and their pas rush is not great with Clowney gone. Their secondary is awful this season.

Lamar has never been close to Josh Allen in January. They are not in the same universe when it matters.

I just think Spags matches up better against Baltimore than the Sean Payton Buffalo offense run by Brady.


Plus Spags has tricks in his bag just for Lamar. Buffalo will be hard to stop except when we know they are passing.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-19-2024 03:43 PM

If Baltimore looks good in the WC round and stay healthy, I'd probably take em to beat Buffalo.

It just wouldn't be good for the Bills, you know they'd be peeking ahead to the Chiefs and that defense is so ripe that I could see Lamar and Henry going nuclear in cold weather. A great rushing team is going to have their way with Buffalo, and even though BAL's defense isn't great, they have the kinds of players who could force 1-2 critical mistakes out of Allen.

And full disclosure, I'm not even sure I want that to happen. I'd love to kill Buffalo's dreams once again. I just genuinely think this version of Baltimore is suited to butt **** them.

DJ's left nut 12-19-2024 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17865142)
I’m just not worried about about Baltimore. Load the box, put McDuffie on Flowers and force Lamar to throw.

Our run defense is built to stop them and their pas rush is not great with Clowney gone. Their secondary is awful this season.

Lamar has never been close to Josh Allen in January. They are not in the same universe when it matters.

Prove to me that it matters, Chiefs.

Because I wonder if these guys could win a shootout with a MAC team at this point. They just seem incapable of playing even 3 quarters of quality offensive football, let alone 4...

MahomesMagic 12-19-2024 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17865472)
If Baltimore looks good in the WC round and stay healthy, I'd probably take em to beat Buffalo.

It just wouldn't be good for the Bills, you know they'd be peeking ahead to the Chiefs and that defense is so ripe that I could see Lamar and Henry going nuclear in cold weather. A great rushing team is going to have their way with Buffalo, and even though BAL's defense isn't great, they have the kinds of players who could force 1-2 critical mistakes out of Allen.

And full disclosure, I'm not even sure I want that to happen. I'd love to kill Buffalo's dreams once again. I just genuinely think this version of Baltimore is suited to butt **** them.

Watch the Baltimore/Buffalo game and you'll notice that the Ravens OC has Buffalo completely figured out.

Not just the power runs inside that auto go for 8+ yards unless Buffalo brings more into the box.

You also have the screens and misdirection game as Buffalo D has no instincts, they just run 100MPH towards the ball.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-19-2024 03:50 PM

So we are rooting for Baltimore Saturday no questions asked, got it

DJ's left nut 12-19-2024 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17865472)
If Baltimore looks good in the WC round and stay healthy, I'd probably take em to beat Buffalo.

It just wouldn't be good for the Bills, you know they'd be peeking ahead to the Chiefs and that defense is so ripe that I could see Lamar and Henry going nuclear in cold weather. A great rushing team is going to have their way with Buffalo, and even though BAL's defense isn't great, they have the kinds of players who could force 1-2 critical mistakes out of Allen.

And full disclosure, I'm not even sure I want that to happen. I'd love to kill Buffalo's dreams once again. I just genuinely think this version of Baltimore is suited to butt **** them.

More critical than the run game is that the THREAT of the run game will wreck Buffalo's secondary.

They don't have the horses to put 8 in the box and cover the gaps. And they'll need 8 in the box.

If Baltimore plays Buffalo, I could see Lamar throwing for 350 yards. Because Buffalo won't allow Henry to wreck them again. They'll throw everything they have at stopping him. In so doing, they'll create space for those easy throws into open areas that Jackson has been so effective with this season.

staylor26 12-19-2024 04:01 PM

Yea, Ravens are just a terrible matchup for Buffalo. I think they matchup better with us honestly.

DJ's left nut 12-19-2024 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17865488)
Yea, Ravens are just a terrible matchup for Buffalo. I think they matchup better with us honestly.

Yeah, they really don't need to move extra people into the box to stop our run game. They just need to be a little more gap disciplined.

rfaulk34 12-19-2024 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17865037)
Franchise with one playoff win since '93 gets a new QB who wins multiple MVPs and goes to 6 straight AFC Championship games and 4 SBs. The last two in rebuilding years with completely different rosters.

Your takeaway: "Well, he just had the fortune of landing on a great team." LMAO

Franchise with zero playoff wins since '90 and was an absolute bottom feeder joke, gets a new QB who goes to a SB and plays in another AFCCG in his first 3 years but has a losing team this year because the team ownership are a bunch of cheap bastards and the "braintrust" in the FO aren't good at drafting college players.

If you think Mahomes hasn't benefitted from the team he was drafted by, you're on drugs right now. Notice i said "benefitted" not some stupid shit like it's the reason he's any good.

DJ's left nut 12-19-2024 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17865514)
Franchise with zero playoff wins since '90 and was an absolute bottom feeder joke, gets a new QB who goes to a SB and plays in another AFCCG in his first 3 years but has a losing team this year because the team ownership are a bunch of cheap bastards and the "braintrust" in the FO aren't good at drafting college players.

If you think Mahomes hasn't benefitted from the team he was drafted by, you're on drugs right now. Notice i said "benefitted" not some stupid shit like it's the reason he's any good.

And if you think Mahomes on that Bengals team with the defensive and WR talent they've had over the last 5 years wouldn't have more than "a SB and plays in another AFCCG" on his resume, you're also on drugs right now.

The Bengals having so little to show for Burrow, Mixon, Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Reader, Hendrickson, Wilson, Bell and Bates is just tragic.

Swap little more than the QBs and the Bengals have the better trophy case than KC right now.

Chiefspants 12-19-2024 04:57 PM

Zac Taylor also gives me real “Les Miles” doing less with more vibes.

This season might finally be the one where the incredible talent on his team can’t overcome his annual 1-4 start.

suzzer99 12-19-2024 07:06 PM

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We've gotten pretty lucky with injuries the last few years. It's the Bills turn this year.

staylor26 12-19-2024 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17865632)
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We've gotten pretty lucky with injuries the last few years. It's the Bills turn this year.

The thing about teams that have that kind of luck in the regular season with injuries is that they tend to have some at the end of the year to even things out.

Just look at the Chiefs and all the playoff injuries.

DRM08 12-19-2024 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17865632)
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We've gotten pretty lucky with injuries the last few years. It's the Bills turn this year.

Even healthy, they still gave up 40+ points in each of the last two games. Last year their fans whined about injuries on defense ruining their chances in the Playoffs. No excuse this time around. Will be funny if they still get knocked out earlier than they hope.

tredadda 12-19-2024 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17865484)
More critical than the run game is that the THREAT of the run game will wreck Buffalo's secondary.

They don't have the horses to put 8 in the box and cover the gaps. And they'll need 8 in the box.

If Baltimore plays Buffalo, I could see Lamar throwing for 350 yards. Because Buffalo won't allow Henry to wreck them again. They'll throw everything they have at stopping him. In so doing, they'll create space for those easy throws into open areas that Jackson has been so effective with this season.

That’s very possible depending on which Baltimore offense shows up. Will it be the ground and pound one that capitalizes on Buffalo loading up to stop the run? Or will it be the one from the AFCCG last year that fell behind and leaned on the arm of Lamar to try and win it? That could significantly impact how that game plays out.

rfaulk34 12-19-2024 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17865535)
And if you think Mahomes on that Bengals team with the defensive and WR talent they've had over the last 5 years wouldn't have more than "a SB and plays in another AFCCG" on his resume, you're also on drugs right now.

The Bengals having so little to show for Burrow, Mixon, Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Reader, Hendrickson, Wilson, Bell and Bates is just tragic.

Swap little more than the QBs and the Bengals have the better trophy case than KC right now.

I had to stop here...

With the trouble Mahomes has had this and last year with the line he's behind...you think he could do better than Burrow with this team and the offensive line they've put out there?

Just stop it.

mr. tegu 12-19-2024 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17865707)
I had to stop here...

With the trouble Mahomes has had this and last year with the line he's behind...you think he could do better than Burrow with this team and the offensive line they've put out there?

Just stop it.


Tell us with a straight face Mahomes has 0 passing TDs and the team as a whole has one offensive TD in the fourth quarter of 7 playoff games.

rfaulk34 12-19-2024 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17865750)
Tell us with a straight face Mahomes has 0 passing TDs and the team as a whole has one offensive TD in the fourth quarter of 7 playoff games.

I don't know what he would have. I do know that he's not playing well behind a 'sketchy' pair of tackles. To think he would do better behind a worse Oline in total is insane.

mr. tegu 12-19-2024 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17865770)
I don't know what he would have. I do know that he's not playing well behind a 'sketchy' pair of tackles. To think he would do better behind a worse Oline in total is insane.


He has won multiple games in the fourth quarter this season behind that sketchy line with far inferior skill players. So yes he would obviously do better.

rfaulk34 12-19-2024 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17865838)
He has won multiple games in the fourth quarter this season behind that sketchy line with far inferior skill players. So yes he would obviously do better.

No.

mr. tegu 12-19-2024 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17865840)
No.


You are obviously delusional but of course also the original post you took issue with mentioned the last five years, and even stranger is you trying to use last year, when he won a Super Bowl as evidence he wouldn’t do better.

Rainbarrel 12-19-2024 09:38 PM

They got Josh Allen's marbles to go in the eye holes

RaidersOftheCellar 12-20-2024 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17865770)
I don't know what he would have. I do know that he's not playing well behind a 'sketchy' pair of tackles. To think he would do better behind a worse Oline in total is insane.

The issue has been a LT that is (was) a turnstile who literally did nothing to slow down any decent rusher in obvious passing situations. Meanwhile, Orlando Brown is well above average in pass block win rate this year.

The question you should be asking is "would Burrow do better with that LT and much weaker receivers?" The answer is no. He'd get blown up. Mahomes is far more elusive and instinctive than Burrow.

Despite a turnstile LT (and shaky RT), KC leads the league by far in 3rd down conversion rate. How exactly does a team pull that off with bad QB play?

rfaulk34 12-20-2024 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17866328)
The issue has been a LT that is (was) a turnstile who literally did nothing to slow down any decent rusher in obvious passing situations. Meanwhile, Orlando Brown is well above average in pass block win rate this year.

The question you should be asking is "would Burrow do better with that LT and much weaker receivers?" The answer is no. He'd get blown up. Mahomes is far more elusive and instinctive than Burrow.

Despite a turnstile LT (and shaky RT), KC leads the league by far in 3rd down conversion rate. How exactly does a team pull that off with bad QB play?

Wrong. He already has and i've posted it many times.

If you think Mahomes is "far more elusive and instinctive" you need to watch more than just Mahomes play.

RaidersOftheCellar 12-20-2024 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17866332)
Wrong. He already has and i've posted it many times.

If you think Mahomes is "far more elusive and instinctive" you need to watch more than just Mahomes play.

Already has what? Led the league in 3rd down conversion rate by a mile?

Mahomes won MVP and SB MVP with Orlando Brown and a weak RT, and Juju Smith-Schuster as his #1 WR. On one leg. ROFL

rfaulk34 12-20-2024 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17866382)
Already has what? Led the league in 3rd down conversion rate by a mile?

Mahomes won MVP and SB MVP with Orlando Brown and a weak RT, and Juju Smith-Schuster as his #1 WR. On one leg. ROFL

He's already shown that he can put up numbers without multiple elite receivers.

Rainbarrel 12-21-2024 03:21 PM

This is just what we wanted all along -Bills fans

Basileus777 12-21-2024 03:22 PM

I would love to see them go 14-3 and have to play the Bengals in the first round.

RaidersOftheCellar 12-21-2024 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17866646)
He's already shown that he can put up numbers without multiple elite receivers.

Mahomes has shown he can succeed with weak weapons, poor protection and any other situation.

RaidersOftheCellar 12-21-2024 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 17869955)
I would love to see them go 14-3 and have to play the Bengals in the first round.

I want to see them play Baltimore again. Their fans are terrified of a rematch. LMAO

Hammock Parties 12-22-2024 08:40 PM

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RaidersOftheCellar 12-22-2024 09:42 PM

Got some good intel from Bills Mafia:

josh allen all time passer rating in games under 32 is like 54


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MahomesMagic 12-22-2024 09:59 PM

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