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DJ's left nut 10-31-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 12519384)
This is true, generally how these pass progressions work on 5 or 7 step drops is the first read is always one of the outside WRs. Normally you put your fastest guys on the left side (Hence Hill seeing a lot of action that side).

For example when Kelce runs that drag/cross from Right to Left it is open because the Left WR is normally running a Go or a Post and clears out.

I think it is clear that Foles likes to use the progression properly where as Alex tends to cheat and is already hunting the intermediate route which means he is quicker to the check down.

Reid's WCO doesn't send WRs on go routes that frequently. It's a horizontal offense.

If Smith were ignoring progressions, Reid would've benched him. He doesn't like guys dicking with his offense. He loves Smith precisely because he stays within the scheme.

DJ's left nut 10-31-2016 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12519389)
When do you think we'll know if Ware will be fine? By Wed or so?

I don't think they can even do the last stage of the protocol until Friday. Honestly, I don't remember.

Don't expect him back this week, though. Think of the concussions we've had over the last 3 seasons; I think Abdullah is the only one that came back the following week and a couple of weeks later he was out again. Morse and LDT both missed multiple games, IIRC.

I think both Ware and Smith are out this week.

Simply Red 10-31-2016 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12519401)
I don't think they can even do the last stage of the protocol until Friday. Honestly, I don't remember.

Don't expect him back this week, though. Think of the concussions we've had over the last 3 seasons; I think Abdullah is the only one that came back the following week and a couple of weeks later he was out again. Morse and LDT both missed multiple games, IIRC.

I think both Ware and Smith are out this week.

Grr.. Okay well thanks.

O.city 10-31-2016 10:56 AM

Ware had a video of himself last night after the game,seemed to be ok. I'd be surprised if he's not back this week.

Danguardace 10-31-2016 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12519397)
Reid's WCO doesn't send WRs on go routes that frequently. It's a horizontal offense.

If Smith were ignoring progressions, Reid would've benched him. He doesn't like guys dicking with his offense. He loves Smith precisely because he stays within the scheme.

Yes and no

On the Quick game/3 Step game yes you are right.

However on 5 and 7 step you have to have at least 1 guy normally 2 challenging the deep part of the field and clearing out corners.

Main problem is Andy likes his Quick game too much.

Simply Red 10-31-2016 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12519414)
Ware had a video of himself last night after the game,seemed to be ok. I'd be surprised if he's not back this week.


can you find it?

O.city 10-31-2016 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12519436)
can you find it?

https://twitter.com/spenceware11/sta...43653869776897

I don't know how to embed

DaneMcCloud 10-31-2016 11:14 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great to see <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs">@Chiefs</a> RB <a href="https://twitter.com/spenceware11">@spenceware11</a> celebrating a victory with his family after leaving today&#39;s game with a concussion. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefskingdom?src=hash">#chiefskingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/DT93RZ1f1S">pic.twitter.com/DT93RZ1f1S</a></p>&mdash; FOX Sports: PROcast (@PROcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/PROcast/status/792843653869776897">October 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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TigeRRUppeRRcut 10-31-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12519368)
Smith's a progression robot. He's going to throw to the first guy in his progression that's open.

With at fast as that ball came out to Hill, don't you think he was the first read? Let's face it, stuff like that still requires a bit of luck. Had the first read been to Foles right and that guy breaks open, the ball would've come out (that's just the way the WCO works) and the blown coverage means nothing. But because the first read was to the left, that thing blowing open was obvious and the ball comes out.

And Foles missed a similarly easy throw to Conley that turned a long TD into a 20 yarder. Foles has never been known for laser-like precision so sure, it may have been some rust, but he's also just not a remarkably precise passer and you'll get misses like that.

Against shit teams, that's gonna be fine. Against a team where they're actually...I dunno...covering your WRs, that's going to get you in a lot of trouble quickly.

This x 10

O.city 10-31-2016 11:16 AM

Well, the chiefs trainer just said they don't feel smith has a concussion at all so I'm guessing he'll play this week

Simply Red 10-31-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12519456)
Well, the chiefs trainer just said they don't feel smith has a concussion at all so I'm guessing he'll play this week

I was thinking he'd go see Doc. Andrews. ROFL

Simply Red 10-31-2016 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12519446)

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12519449)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great to see <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs">@Chiefs</a> RB <a href="https://twitter.com/spenceware11">@spenceware11</a> celebrating a victory with his family after leaving today&#39;s game with a concussion. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefskingdom?src=hash">#chiefskingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/DT93RZ1f1S">pic.twitter.com/DT93RZ1f1S</a></p>&mdash; FOX Sports: PROcast (@PROcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/PROcast/status/792843653869776897">October 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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He's a nice person. :clap: thanks.

SAUTO 10-31-2016 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 12519255)
That's a great question.

It's the ONLY question

TigeRRUppeRRcut 10-31-2016 11:42 AM

This summarizes it for all the dummies https://mobile.twitter.com/ChiefsRep...43166517911552

King_Chief_Fan 10-31-2016 11:43 AM

You only start Foles when Smith cant play.
Foles is destined to be a back up.....only.


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