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Quesadilla Joe 05-29-2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 12250813)
Are you serious? Clay could have made that bomb a complete pass. Nobody within 10 yards of him, and his receiver clowned coverage. The receiver, or lack of defense allowed that play to happen.

How about some contested 50+ yard bombs?

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staylor26 05-29-2016 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12251733)
How about some contested 50+ yard bombs?

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How about a demonstration of deep ball accuracy outside of the hash marks? Neither of those are very difficult throws when you have that arm strength.

You're not showing anything we don't know about Lynch. He has a huge arm and really good, but not great, mobility.

Does the have it mentally? You could point to Marino/McNabb/Kelly all you want, but that 18 on the Wonderlic is worrisome (scared me off pre-draft), and this is a different time. The learning curve from college to the NFL for a QB isn't the same as it was back then. Also, can he throw with anticipation? Can he throw with accuracy and good ball placement?

All of those are the question marks that need to be answered.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-29-2016 12:54 PM

My God, it's like watching an actual offense.

Quesadilla Joe 05-29-2016 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12251739)
How about a demonstration of deep ball accuracy outside of the hash marks?

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staylor26 05-29-2016 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12251950)
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Those are great throws. No denying that. But, you can do the same with plenty of guys that turned out to be shit like Geno though. A few great throws doesn't tell the entire story. It's the full body of work.

I've watched Paxton extensively and all of those question marks are legit. He hasn't answered them yet.

The fact that you so easily dismiss that shit Wonderlic score as a concern is hilarious. That's always a red flag when talking about the QB position. There are exceptions to that rule, but that doesn't mean Lynch is one.

RunKC 05-29-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12251966)
Those are great throws. No denying that. But, you can do the same with plenty of guys that turned out to be shit like Geno coming out of college though. A few great throws doesn't tell the entire story. It's the full body of work.

I've watched Paxton extensively and all of those question marks are legit. He hasn't answered them yet.

Geno sucks BC he has an attitude problem and can't grasp the game mentally.
Lynch has a great attitude with elite physical attributes but he needs to sit for a year to learn the game more. If he plays now he'll have to run a dumbed down offense and he'll get killed by blitz packages.

staylor26 05-29-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12251983)
Geno sucks BC he has an attitude problem and can't grasp the game mentally.
Lynch has a great attitude with elite physical attributes but he needs to sit for a year to learn the game more. If he plays now he'll have to run a dumbed down offense and he'll get killed by blitz packages.

The second part is a huge red flag that could be Lynch's downfall as it appears the mental aspect could be an enormous obstacle for him. Even if he's a ****ing choir boy, it won't matter, if that's the case. Sitting and learning doesn't guarantee that will ever change either, though it could.

Tombstone RJ 05-29-2016 04:22 PM

Has there ever been a proven link between a high wonderlic score and success in the NFL?

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-29-2016 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 12252241)
Has there ever been a proven link between a high wonderlic score and success in the NFL?

I don't know but I DO know that there is absolutely NO correlation between a high intelligence and awesomeness at the position.

staylor26 05-29-2016 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 12252241)
Has there ever been a proven link between a high wonderlic score and success in the NFL?

If you don't think it's important, or translates, for QB's, you're a fool.

Like I said, there are exceptions to every rule, but it's a pretty good indicator of what to expect (mentally) from a QB. Marino/McNabb/Kelly are examples of some exceptions, but like I pointed out, they came into the league when the learning curve wasn't as much of an obstacle. Lynch has a lot more to learn (and adjust to) than those guys ever did, so the mental part is all the more concerning. There aren't many recent examples of exceptions, so I think the evidence backs that up.

I saw an interview with Lynch, thought he sounded like an idiot, then looked up his Wonderlic and saw he got an 18. That's not a coincidence.

So yea, if you think how smart a QB is matters, then there is a correlation.

Tombstone RJ 05-29-2016 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12252249)
If you don't think it's important, or translates, for QB's, you're a fool.

Like I said, there are exceptions to every rule, but it's a pretty good indicator of what to expect (mentally) from a QB.

I saw an interview with Lynch, thought he sounded like an idiot, then looked up his Wonderlic and saw he got an 18. That's not a coincidence.

So yea, if you think how smart a QB is matters, then there is a correlation.

So obviously you think it's important but otherwise, is there any proof that a high score is more indicative of a successful career in the NFL?

staylor26 05-29-2016 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 12252256)
:cuss:

So obviously you think it's important but otherwise, is there any proof that a high score is more indicative of a successful career in the NFL?

I edited my post to further explain.

History says the Wonderlic is a good measurement for the mental part of the QB position.

Tombstone RJ 05-29-2016 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12252247)
I don't know but I DO know that there is absolutely NO correlation between a high intelligence and awesomeness at the position.

Yep, there's some great players who were pretty dumb, not sure if that's the case for QBs.

vailpass 05-29-2016 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 12252261)
Yep, there's some great players who were pretty dumb, not sure if that's the case for QBs.

Terry Bradshaw is pleased to hear you say so. Not that the offense he ran was anywhere near as complex as today's pro O.

vailpass 05-29-2016 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12249903)
Not BlackOp. The reptilians who run the NFL are the same guys who faked the moon landing. He'll be sure to let you know no matter how much you don't care.

Being so much smarter than everyone else must be such a burden for him.


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