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MarkDavis'Haircut 07-26-2023 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17032222)
It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

The ACC will be divided up by the Big 10 and SEC with a couple of schools left out in the cold.

Rams Fan 07-26-2023 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17032230)
No doubt. Cal would sooner die than hobnob with the Great Plains schools and UCF.

Oh yeah, BYU holds a grudge with Utah. Understandably so. Utah would be a great get for the PAC 12. Bring back the Holy War!

From an academic perspective, I don't see Cal or Stanford liking to be affiliated with the likes of SDSU, Boise St., Fresno St. either.

They have to pray they get a B1G invite or I think they'll go independent.

Coach 07-26-2023 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17032224)
Cal and Stanford would discontinue athletics before they ever dropped to the MWC. They would commit suicide before having to share a conference with Fresno State.

I think the Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford because the university presidents would make them. There is room for those two schools in the 24 or 32 team conference model. Which is the ultimate endgame.

Washington State and Oregon State are out of luck.

I will agree with you that WSU and OSU are out of luck.

I do not agree with your assessment of that Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford. If they really did want them when they got USC/UCLA at the time, they would have done so at the time.

Cal and Stanford bring little to zero value on athletics and viewership. Not to mention, I just cannot see them getting an invite simply because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is, the B1G pie.

Edited to add: The B1G would most likely prefer Oregon and/or Washington as they have better value/offer if they had to choose between the 4 of Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

tredadda 07-26-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17032222)
It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

You think the SEC would welcome GT back?

Rams Fan 07-26-2023 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 17032241)
I will agree with you that WSU and OSU are out of luck.

I do not agree with your assessment of that Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford. If they really did want them when they got USC/UCLA at the time, they would have done so at the time.

Cal and Stanford bring little to zero value on athletics and viewership. Not to mention, I just cannot see them getting an invite simply because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is, the B1G pie.

Edited to add: The B1G would most likely prefer Oregon and/or Washington as they have better value/offer if they had to choose between the 4 of Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

Stanford won the Directors Cup this year. They have a really good athletic department, though it seems like they're break-even or slightly in the red currently. They aren't great in MBB and football currently (were recently with Harbaugh and Shaw up until a few seasons ago).

Cal is a mess but they have the academic prestige and are part of the UC system, which UCLA is subsidizing up to $10 million a year for Cal's athletics for the foreseeable future.

Adding Stanford and Cal brings in the SF TV market as well as their academics. Personally, if I were the B1G I'd go after Stanford to entice ND to join.
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17032244)
You think the SEC would welcome GT back?

Money talks.

MarkDavis'Haircut 07-26-2023 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 17032241)
I will agree with you that WSU and OSU are out of luck.

I do not agree with your assessment of that Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford. If they really did want them when they got USC/UCLA at the time, they would have done so at the time.

Cal and Stanford bring little to zero value on athletics and viewership. Not to mention, I just cannot see them getting an invite simply because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is, the B1G pie.

Edited to add: The B1G would most likely prefer Oregon and/or Washington as they have better value/offer if they had to choose between the 4 of Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

Stanford is a great carrot to attract Notre Dame.

Of course, if the Big 10 wasn't a cesspool of anti-Catholicism in the 1920s, the Irish would have joined. Notre Dame was begging for an invitation and the commissioner wanted them. But the schools and coaches didn't.

Gotta love CFB history!

Coach 07-26-2023 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17032248)
Stanford won the Directors Cup this year. They have a really good athletic department, though it seems like they're break-even or slightly in the red currently. They aren't great in MBB and football currently (were recently with Harbaugh and Shaw up until a few seasons ago).

Cal is a mess but they have the academic prestige and are part of the UC system, which UCLA is subsidizing up to $10 million a year for Cal's athletics for the foreseeable future.

Adding Stanford and Cal brings in the SF TV market as well as their academics. Personally, if I were the B1G I'd go after Stanford to entice ND to join.

Money talks.

The bolded part, I can see that, but the odds of that is very low for Stanford. We will just have to disagree on that Cal and Stanford, and just have to wait and see what happens at this point.

There's still more dominoes to fall as the Big 12 wouldn't just take Colorado without considering another to make it back to 14 when OU and Texas leaves in 2024. I still believe it will be Arizona, U-Conn, and Colorado as I mentioned, I just don't know the 4th one.

Rams Fan 07-26-2023 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 17032259)
The bolded part, I can see that, but the odds of that is very low for Stanford. We will just have to disagree on that Cal and Stanford, and just have to wait and see what happens at this point.

There's still more dominoes to fall as the Big 12 wouldn't just take Colorado without considering another to make it back to 14 when OU and Texas leaves in 2024. I still believe it will be Arizona, U-Conn, and Colorado as I mentioned, I just don't know the 4th one.

I don't think Stanford can absorb the potential rise in operating expenses, if they do go independent, long-term unless they limit themselves to only playing exclusively west.

Joining the B1G allows them to still play UCLA and USC while having more league revenue and being affiliated with universities held in higher academic regard.

Also allows the B1G to have another market for later games.

I agree with regard to the B12 that they probably aren't done yet and even with those 4, I'm not sure they're done for the next few years. Could see them adding USF to get further into FL (they're also building an on-campus football stadium and are natural rivals with UCF) as well as Memphis. Aside from that, it's slim pickings from the American unless you want to add someone like Tulane, SMU, or Temple.

MarkDavis'Haircut 07-26-2023 07:35 PM

If the Big 12 can't lure any more Pac 12 teams, I would go with Memphis.

SMU isn't happening (TCU and Houston and Texas Tech would block it). Temple is a dead end. Tulane is intriguing (man, they regret leaving the SEC) but beware of one year wonders. USF is all potential which rarely pans out.

Rams Fan 07-26-2023 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17032277)
If the Big 12 can't lure any more Pac 12 teams, I would go with Memphis.

SMU isn't happening (TCU and Houston and Texas Tech would block it). Temple is a dead end. Tulane is intriguing (man, they regret leaving the SEC) but beware of one year wonders. USF is all potential which rarely pans out.

I agree with regard to Memphis. Tulane and SMU don't offer really any upside. Temple brings you to Philly, but that's it.

UCF has the potential to be a juggernaut given where its recruiting base is, its investment in facilities, its large alumni base, and its move to Power 5 which is coming after its success in football.

USF has the same benefits and possibilities as UCF except it is years behind in facilities and success.

displacedinMN 07-26-2023 08:02 PM

In 15 to 20 years, we will all be here talking about the breakup of the super conferences.

FloridaMan88 07-26-2023 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17032222)
It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

Miami is AAU now and would prefer the Big 10.

RustShack 07-26-2023 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17032277)
If the Big 12 can't lure any more Pac 12 teams, I would go with Memphis.

SMU isn't happening (TCU and Houston and Texas Tech would block it). Temple is a dead end. Tulane is intriguing (man, they regret leaving the SEC) but beware of one year wonders. USF is all potential which rarely pans out.

Colorado isn’t the only school jumping. But if they do end up with an odd number from the PAC, UCONN is the backup option to even the numbers.

Sassy Squatch 07-26-2023 08:30 PM

Yeah, Stanford's biggest appeal is that it's a good throw in with Notre Dame

Coach 07-26-2023 09:03 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The Big 12’s presidents and chancellors voted unanimously Wednesday night on a conference call to accept Colorado as a new member. Colorado still has not formally applied for Big 12 membership, which is expected to happen tomorrow.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1684398441907064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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