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-King- 08-09-2023 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 17049140)
we can't win a superbowl without chris jones


Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17049071)
The Chiefs need him to win a SB this year.

Could they win it without him? Sure.

Is it alot harder? Yes.

THat's what I'm arguing. Taking Chris JOnes off this defense makes it alot harder for everyone else in the front 7.



Again, if you're in the belief that our Superbowl chances don't change with or without him, then you shouldn't want to re-sign him at all. Should have traded him earlier in the off-season and got cheaper/younger since apparently, whoever is playing that position doesn't change the teams outcome at all.

Skyy God 08-09-2023 11:36 AM

Would you rather have the following:

1) A possibly disgruntled and more injury prone (due to his holdout and resulting lack of camp reps) Chris Jones and $.5M in cap space or

2) Several premium picks, maybe a developmental player back, and $12M in cap space, with which the Chiefs could sign Dunlap (like 1/$4M), a vet DT for like $3M, and $5M more in case of an in-season injury. Plus flip CEH or a pick for a developmental 3-tech.

Im in the second camp at this point.

-King- 08-09-2023 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyy God (Post 17049160)
Would you rather have the following:

1) A malcontent (and probably more injury prone due to his holdout) Jones and $.5M in cap space or

2) Picks, $12Min cap space, with which you could use to sign Dunlap (like 1/$4M), a vet DT for like $3M, and $5M more in case of an in-season injury.

Im in the second camp at this point.

Malcontent LMAO

And I'll take the elite DT who was the best at his position last year and is the heart beat and energy of the defense.

Chief Pagan 08-09-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17049039)
Jones will sign a deal in the range between Donald and the second highest paid DT. That’s what he’s said all along. These things take time and this is all posturing. He’s not going to sit out regular season games and I couldn’t care less about him being at camp or playing in the PS.

That result benefits both sides.

Yes, these things take time but will work out. Just like Hill and Orlando Brown contract took time to work themselves out because both sides were just posturing and of course wanted to get a fair deal done to stay on a SB contender.

TwistedChief 08-09-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 17049140)
we can't win a superbowl without chris jones

If Kelce went down with a torn Achilles next week, I'd comfortably argue we're not going to win a Super Bowl this season.

That doesn't mean that Kelce is as important as Mahomes.

Y'all are being disingenuous by equating the 2 things.

DRM08 08-09-2023 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17049031)
The Bengals don't have a single all-pro on their defense and yet there they are still one of the best. I'd imagine losing Chris would put us in a similar situation.

The Chiefs defense has solid talent everywhere and finally at DL.

For years the Chiefs put limited talent next to Chris. Frank Clark apparently sucks, Alex Okafor wasn't good, Melvin Ingram and Terrell Suggs were old. Hell Kpass and Speaks didn't cut it all all. I like Mike Danna but he is a great off the bench role player but not a true starter.

The Chiefs didn't truly invest in the DL until recently. That's a big reason why it was "Chris Jones is all we have!"....well he kinda was.

Bengals have the best DC in the league. They do a good job finding guys for cheap that seem to get the job done within Lou's scheme. Cincy has not given up more than 24 points in any playoff game the last 2 seasons. The Chiefs defense (with Jones) gave up 36 to Buffalo and 35 to Philly.

ToxSocks 08-09-2023 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyy God (Post 17049160)
Would you rather have the following:

1) A malcontent (and probably more injury prone due to his holdout) Jones and $.5M in cap space or

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Skyy God 08-09-2023 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17049189)
If Kelce went down with a torn Achilles next week, I'd comfortably argue we're not going to win a Super Bowl this season.

That doesn't mean that Kelce is as important as Mahomes.

Y'all are being disingenuous by equating the 2 things.

Bad juju, yo.

raybec 4 08-09-2023 12:06 PM

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Skyy God 08-09-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17049169)
Malcontent LMAO

And I'll take the elite DT who was the best at his position last year and is the heart beat and energy of the defense.

I edited my post to more clearly reflect my opinion.

RealSNR 08-09-2023 12:47 PM

Khalen Saunders got 3 years 12 million from the Saints.

Really wish we could have done that deal right about now. Would have gladly sacrificed signing Tranquil for that

Skyy God 08-09-2023 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17049313)
Khalen Saunders got 3 years 12 million from the Saints.

Really wish we could have done that deal right about now. Would have gladly sacrificed signing Tranquil for that

Hindsight is 50/50.

tredadda 08-09-2023 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17049100)
So? He got big money to his job and he did it. That's the past.

Correct. Is there any remote possibility that he might in the future impact an important game? Still the most important part of the defense and someone that has to be accounted for. Also he is still not even remotely close to Tyreek.

Saying that he's not a major reason why KC won a SB is silly.

tredadda 08-09-2023 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy God (Post 17049160)
Would you rather have the following:

1) A possibly disgruntled and more injury prone (due to his holdout and resulting lack of camp reps) Chris Jones and $.5M in cap space or

2) Several premium picks, maybe a developmental player back, and $12M in cap space, with which the Chiefs could sign Dunlap (like 1/$4M), a vet DT for like $3M, and $5M more in case of an in-season injury. Plus flip CEH or a pick for a developmental 3-tech.

Im in the second camp at this point.

Lotta holes in argument 2.

1. KC does not appear to want to give Jones what he is asking primarily due to age. You think another team is going to give up premium picks for the right to give him that? I don't. Chicago might have the cap space, but that doesn't mean they want to blow it for the sake of blowing it.

2. Jones is an elite pass rusher at the DT spot. Not many of those in the league at his position. Pass rushers aren't cheap for a reason. You can't just plug and play and replace their production.

3. No one wants CEH and even the dumber GMs know that in all likelihood this is his final season in KC. Why give up anything for him? RBs are already being devalued, so what team does he move the needle for that would be willing to give up a developmental DT for?

Not saying give in to Jones' demands, just I think his value to the defense is more than some might think. Here's hoping the two sides come to a reasonable agreement.

poolboy 08-09-2023 01:09 PM

message to Chris, sign the frekin deal
dont squab over a couple million...


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