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The Franchise 06-07-2017 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12905921)
Okay, but was Maclin getting safeties rotated over the top towards him last year? I'd guess absolutely not.

So, lets say Hill is starting to get safety attention and Robinson is anything close to NFL ready (or hell, Wilson is just the same fairly benign presence he's always been). Shouldn't that do a lot to open up targets for Kelce and the slot WR? I suspect the X will be about the same.

But if they can get defenses back into the 'pick your poison' mode of 2015 when they had to decide if they wanted to let Maclin or Kelce beat them, that's a MASSIVE win.

I think the point isn't necessarily that his stats will be as good but over larger opportunities, but rather that his production over minimal opportunities establishes him as a credible threat that may draw defenses in a way that Maclin simply wasn't doing last year.

Then again, Smith will probably just roll the other way and overthrow a runningback instead.

****! Not a smith thread. Still....****.
No, I totally get that. My comment was strictly just based on "double his targets and double his stats". I think Hill has a ceiling right now with Smith as his QB. It's not necessarily a knock on Smith....but I'm not expecting to see a 1300 yard year with 12-14 TDs. I think I'm expecting around 950 yards with 7-8 TDs.

O.city 06-07-2017 09:51 AM
The thing with hill is that he can get some of that shit on his own.he can take a bubble screen for 50 yards and such etc.

pugsnotdrugs19 06-07-2017 10:04 AM
In response to Pest-- I should clarify that I don't think Hill is a lock to double his stats if he plays 80% or more of the snaps next year.

It was more so just a way of saying that the guy clearly has what it takes to have big seasons as a WR, and that he was the true #1 WR for the Chiefs in the 2nd half of last season.

notorious 06-07-2017 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12905937)
No, I totally get that. My comment was strictly just based on "double his targets and double his stats". I think Hill has a ceiling right now with Smith as his QB. It's not necessarily a knock on Smith....but I'm not expecting to see a 1300 yard year with 12-14 TDs. I think I'm expecting around 950 yards with 7-8 TDs.
This. He will be capped by the QB.

pugsnotdrugs19 06-07-2017 10:14 AM
You have to ask yourself, how many teams in the NFL have two blue chip, top 40(?) players as their top 2 receiving options. Hill and Kelce are both matchup nightmares that ideally require extra attention. Very few teams have two skilled pass catchers/weapons of their caliber.

The issue comes in if one of them is hurt. That is when the depth of the offense is going to be greatly tested, but hopefully it doesn't come to that. If Kelce and Hill are playing though, it makes everyone else's job a whole lot easier.

ptlyon 06-07-2017 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12905983)
This. He will be capped by the QB.
Insert gut wrenching gif here

KranzDictum 06-07-2017 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12905776)
Nailed it
Don't strain yourself patting yourself on your back.

Wouldn't expect anything less from you though.

The Franchise 06-07-2017 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 12905840)
These two are the main reasons.

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At the time of Maclin’s release, the Chiefs had $3.5 million in cap space and still had to sign their top three draft picks: QB Patrick Mahomes, DE Tanoh Kpassagnon and RB Kareem Hunt. That costs about $4.5 million, and many teams like to have a $5 million cushion for emergency spending. The only contract besides Maclin’s that could have been dumped for a cap savings of more than $5 million was Alex Smith’s. Kansas City’s other option was to dump a trio of mid-level players.
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The bottom line: Maclin is a quality No. 2-caliber receiver who was making No. 1-type money on a team that really doesn’t need a No. 1-type receiver to begin with.

ThaVirus 06-07-2017 11:04 AM
I wonder how Hill's increased role on the offense will affect his role on special teams

ToxSocks 06-07-2017 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12906030)
I wonder how Hill's increased role on the offense will affect his role on special teams
Probably the same way it affected Desean Jackson. He'll be used in special teams on a limited basis. He'll be a part time special team's returner and someone else will get the brunt of the work.

Kiimo 06-07-2017 11:16 AM
Saying Dorsey needs to clean up the cap situation is ignoring the fact that he just did that.

Not only for now but presumably for the future. Trip MacCrackin was obviously doing a piss poor job. The guy underneath him it would seem was analyzing this and at some point had to show a graph to someone above Trip. Like hey look I'm getting ignored here but everyone look at this please because our cap situation is SCREWED and here's why.

Dorsey must have been impressed because he fired Trip and promoted this guy.

DaneMcCloud 06-07-2017 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12905983)
This. He will be capped by the QB.
Nah

DaneMcCloud 06-07-2017 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12906030)
I wonder how Hill's increased role on the offense will affect his role on special teams
And this is why DAT is still on the roster

KranzDictum 06-07-2017 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12906030)
I wonder how Hill's increased role on the offense will affect his role on special teams
Andy is probably banking on him being young and in great condition and will probably use him up this year as much as he can unless he signs another vet WR before TC.

Pats use Eddelmann in that role but I consider him more of a WR than return guy and he doesn't usually take every return.

Toub will probably find another guy to take KR's and then use Hill on PR's here and there depending on the way things are going.

It will be the year we all find out if he is a slash player like hall/DAT/McCluster were or a true WR who also can return like Edelman.

ToxSocks 06-07-2017 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12906054)
And this is why DAT is still on the roster
Hard to imagine DAT sticking. Robinson is lauded for his run after catch ability, and Chesson has some return experience as well. I expect one of those two to take over duties.


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