what stuff?

The 'official' study of the subject has been compartmentalized within the private sector since at least the late 80's, and maybe the late 60's or earlier. It's outside government at this point, contract work done in the realm of private industry, with people like Robert Bigelow. That's the "stuff" to which I refer.

Basically the "government" doesn't have to hide anything. If there is anything palpable, it isn't their secret to hide, and hasn't been for a long time.

As for what there is in terms of material "stuff", I have no way of knowing, and wouldn't speculate.

Been bouncing around watching random 8-15 minute snippets of Lazar on Rogan, it’s been a fascinating trip down memory lane... I was studying the guy since dial-up interwebs

I was convinced back then, and this interview does nothing but reinforce it

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Bob Lazar (supposedly) races his car which set a record for most annoying sound in the world

Jet dragsters are an impressive show live. Even more impressive is how much more effective ICE's still are in a drag race.

Jet propulsion [sex magick] is great after the initial inertia is overcome, but they lose TONS of advantage off the starting line because they are pushing against air, instead of rubber on road. There's a reason carrier craft have backstops and a launch ram in the runway.

But the noise and spectacle is amazing. You feel it more than hear it as it pulses immense power through the grandstands.

It is really awesome to see

So Unidentified wrapped up Friday, and I thought it fizzled out after a good start. The production quality was great beginning to end, but it seemed to me like they were trying to spread 3-4 episodes worth of material over 6 hours. Hopefully the cooperation with the Italians will lead to some more releases, because as great as it is to get the pilots on the record, there's only so far that 3 short videos and four pilot interviews can carry the plot.

I finally finished the Bob Lazar interview with Rogan. One thing I really like about him is that if he doesn’t know something he doesn’t try to bolster the story or name himself sound bigger or more important by trying to connect dots or state things that would be guesses as if they are fact. He simply says he doesn’t know or can only speculate on things.

I liked the interview better than the documentary overall. He spoke more freely. The documentary seemed to focus a lot on his daily life to normalize him which is fine but what we are really interested in are his stories about what he saw.

SAP's.

If the government isn't working on it they can't talk. Private industry which isn't subject to FOIA can keep a secret as long as it's profitable...

Not a wormhole I'd intended to go into: https://burners.me/2019/07/10/anothe...-tracy-twyman/

Jesus. That is......a lot. SO much.

You're probably aware of the couple of threads in DC on this subject. Taco takes a beating in those threads, but man, I'm not so sure he isn't on to something. There is just too much info and too much coincidence on all that info for this to be nothing, and the subject of that link should be alarming to anyone that reads it.

I'll have to dive into all of that when I have a free day.

Is there a government connection or is this just a private thing?

I don't go into that forum. I know the posters and the history here. It's bad enough on the main forum with all the incel 'they're out to get the white male!' wannabe victim stuff floating right below the surface. As far as TJ goes, I didn't know he still posted here and I doubt he 'knows' anything.

I think there is probably something to it, and I think it's tied to wealth and privilege rather than political party (this was of course popularly connected to Podesta and by extension the Clintons before the 2016 election). I'm not sure anybody could possibly be more closely tied to this than Trump, through Epstein - that's not a new story at all. Hell, he's all but bragged about it for years and years.

There have been rumors of high level international pedophile rings for decades, both here and in Europe, and the fact that there's evidence of numerous successful cover-ups does point to governmental entities looking the other way if not providing outright support. Pedophilia has also been rampant in entertainment, whether it's Hollywood or New York.

I can't really look too far into this stuff; it's both sickening and disheartening. The sad truth is that people with enough money can get away with almost anything...

And the rest of us aren't really even people in their eyes.

So I just started watching 'The Family' on Netflix, and it's hands down one of the most sickening and just plain scary conspiracies I've ever seen. The sheer idea that a big part of both branches of Congress and the white house itself has been controlled or orchestrated or however you want to phrase it by a single very cult-like religious group for the last 40 years is just disturbing.

Read a little about it. Pretty crazy.

Not surprising.