Ehhh last year we didnt even have a pick until #58 and Veach turned it into three studs. We have four picks inside the top 63 this year and plenty of ammunition in later rounds to move up if they choose. It is an extremely important draft I suppose I have high expectations.

I mean, we should probably define "starter" because Bolton only played 58% of the snaps last year and we all consider him a starter.

If last years draft is the measuring stick people are gonna be disappointed

If you can get 2-3 players from each draft you’re fine

Two of those guys play on the offensive line where there's no sub packages or player rotation, that's a big part of why they were "starters".

As I mentioned in my previous post, Bolton only played 58% of the snap last year. He's not really a "starter" and I think that kind of contribution is more realistic for anybody we draft, especially at WR and DE.

He’s also never had a first rd pick here to plug into his defense. The pandemic hurt guys like Willie Gay as well.

Fenton, Thornhill and Sneed got some good PT their rookie seasons

Let me ask it another way:

The Bills last year took Rousseau and Basham. Rousseau played about half of their total defensive snaps and Basham about 40%. They combined for 7 sacks.

By most accounts, the Bills did good drafting those 2. Would you consider that good? Because I think that's precisely the kind of scenario we're looking at.

Bolton, Humphrey and Smith were all named to the Pro Football Writers All Rookie team. Veach didnt trade one of the most dynamic wide receivers ever for a damn box of chocolates. Make no mistake Veach has to nail this draft. I expect some misses but with all the draft capital I also expect several hits.

Yeah I think we draft 2 DE’s. One with one of our three picks in the top 50 and then one in the third rd like Isaiah Thomas

How do you define "hits" though? That's the central issue.

And I'd be willing to bet neither of them play more than about 60% of the snaps, if that.

For some people, I think that would be considered a failure at worst and a push at best.

I think people think we're going to draft two guys and they're going to play all the time - that's just not going to happen unless they play a position like RT.

If we get 2 starters, it's a very good draft especially if one of them is a DE. 3 would be amazing and would likely be an even better draft than last year given the positions we need to fill.

I expect KC will use a rotation at DE. Clark is a starter but guys like Danna, a rookie (or two) and maybe Ingram will also get snaps at DE.

Right.

And they'll all finish with 3-6 sacks or so.

Are people going to be happy with that?

Because that's EXACTLY what I expect to happen.

I mean I dont have a scientific definition for you. A bonified and unquestioned starter in the NFL. Im not saying I expect 4 dudes showing up on the all rookie team. Its a huge draft though and we better make some hay. Think Zach Greinke trade for the Royals and turning that into Cain and Escobar two pillars in a World Series run. You better cash in on the Tyreek trade with those picks.

This is not the Royals. It would be great, but not vital that we win the lottery from the trade. Even if the draft return turns out fairly average of the trade we still could win another Super Bowl with the Mahomes.

I want a rotation of good players at WR, DE, DT, CB, S. Pretty much everywhere.

We really need a #2/3 DE, 4th DE, 3rd safety, 3rd WR, 3rd DT and a 4th corner.

I like it that way bc you’re not relying completely on rookies year 1.

Getting 2-3 starters in a normal draft is a good draft, but in this specific draft (post Tyreek trade) we have roughly double the resources, so the bar goes up a bit. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think we will get 4 quality starters from this draft class. 5 would be great. Anything more would be phenomenal.

Veach has proven to be one of the best, if not THE best at finding starters in the draft.

Bolton, Creed and Smith last year.

Clyde, WGJ, Sneed ……and incomplete on Niang the year before

Thornhill, Allegreti, Fenton …..and an incomplete on Saunders the year before that.

He only had 1 first round pick in those 3 draft COMBINED.

Well-aware. Just using an anology most KC sports fans are aware of. When trading a superstar player you damn well better hit on the return.

Ding ding ding...spot on post right here.

We have two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths and several 7ths we can take fliers on. You only walk away with a couple starters from all of that it is a damn shame and dissappointment.

To me a "hit" is getting a player who's as productive as the expectations of the round.

I would say a first round pick should be, at minimum, a starter or staple at their position with the upside of a HOF player the further up the round you go. They should be on the field for a majority of snaps and be solid and productive.

Second round is less polished and/or less upside. Might be a starter but not immediately. Might barely meet size or speed measurables. Pro bowl potential could still be there. Some level of risk.

Just take that and scale it to the round. You hit round 7 you're now in the range where the player isn't even likely to make the team. You just hope a 7th round pick can contribute in some way or on special teams.

If the player meets or exceeds the basic expectations of that round you did a good job - you had a good draft. You have a pick in each round and you end up with 3 starters you had a pretty good draft...

Exactly.

That's just not true for every position though. A DE or DT, by nature of their position, isn't going to play as many snaps as an OG or OT, regardless of where they are drafted.

Nobody ever has a terribly realistic expectation of draft picks.

2nd rounders become starters in the first 3 years of their deal something like 1/2 the time leaguewide. And it goes downhill fast from there.

This idea that you're supposed to draft Pro Bowlers with every 1st rounder, long-term starters with every 2nd rounder and immediate rotational contributors with every 3rd rounder is just....unfair.

It's not the way it works. It never has been. The draft just isn't that precise.

Which is why I don't want to trade up.

The roster depth has atrophied in a big way as we've been pushing our chips in on this stars/scrubs approach. It's time to start remedying that.

We're looking at potentially the deepest draft ever due to the extra year of COVID eligibility and we're sitting on 6 high value picks with another couple decent ones in the 4th.

There is no time like the present. But we aren't going to go 8 for 8 here. Frankly we'd be lucky to go 4 for 8. And if that's the case, let's make sure we at least stay at 8.

I don't want to be in a situation where we end up going 2 for 5 because we got aggressive and busted. We just need more solid football players than that all up and down this roster.

ya that's a good post, the only first round pick is a starter but also kinda a whiff considering Taylor was taken soon after that pick. But Veach has done a pretty damn good job with everything.

Mahomes told Veach that Clyde is who he preferred them to take.

This is why I still think they trade down with at least one of their firsts.

Quite possibly both.

This 2nd and third round is LIT. Specifically STACKED at the positions we need numbers at.

Plus it was in EB's contract.

Hopefully most of them are former team captains too.

Hey Pioli!

Superstars usually suck at GMing. Jordan/Lebron/Elway.... If Mahomes calls on a pick do the Pee-Wee Herman bit where you pretend the phone went full static and cut him off. Then take the guy you want.

I wouldn't be shocked if we traded up and traded down with our 2 first round picks.

30 and 62 is worth 906 points. That would/could move us up into the 18th or 19th spot if either New Orleans or Philly would be willing to move back.

And 29 might be tempting to a team at the top of the 2nd to move up to the end of the first round to grab a QB (or some other player) and give us a high 2nd and mid 3rd. Say Houston at 37 and 80. Something like that.

Still have 8 picks in the 1st 4 rounds.

One first to nab a potential star.
37 and 50 in the 2nd
80, 94, and 103 in the 3rd


Not saying something like that will happen. Just won't shock me either.

Or if we went up to 18 or 19 with 30 and 62, and stayed put with 29 and 50 and just have 7 picks in the 1st 4 rounds instead of 8.

Agree, I think this is a real possibility.

Can't factor out picks that could be acquired for next year's draft too when considering trades

I agree that I think it’s possible, but I think trading down with both first round picks and adding 2-3 picks in the third and early 4th could really help us build this roster to do some huge things in the next 4 years. No matter what, this draft is going to be HISTORIC for this franchise. Good or bad.

That is very true. While not exciting now, having an extra 1st next year would be hard to pass up. The WR from Ohio State that went off in the Rose Bowl would be attractive if he is draft eligible next year.

We may not be able to move at all in either direction. Some teams have many picks early. Some have none. Might be hard to find a trade partner either way with so much talent available in the first few rounds.

But yes, this draft is huge for us. Could set us up for a legit 5 or 6 year window on the middle of Mahomes career.

Dolphins throwing around a lot of $$$ but Tua isn’t the answer at QB.

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Bolton should have been the starter when Hitchens was out he dominated and yet Hitchens was put back in which baffles me to no end he was out playing him hands down. Same situation as Rich Gannon and Elvis Grbac if Marty keeps Rich in we win a super bowl

He’ll be 29 when the season starts. And they don’t have a QB that can take them anywhere.

That’s just dumb.

I’m so glad we didn’t trade for him when he was on the block a couple years back. He’s really good, but was barely 2 years into his last huge extension.

Great news...another instance of a dumb franchise doing dumb things. Let's hope another dumb franchise (Detroit, Houston, Jets, Giants) want to trade up to 30 for a mediocre QB prospect. The Globetrotters need their Washington Generals!

It's big, ugly, purple and loves the milkshake, no wait that's the Grimace

Dolphins are all in. Too bad the Bills will likely smack them down. That’s gonna be fun to watch.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> are trading WR DeVante Parker to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a> in exchange for late-round draft pick compensation. Parker lands at a perfect place with stability he’s been wanting, while MIA gains financial flexibility.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1510301599834513413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trade terms, per source:<br><br>Patriots get WR DeVante Parker and a 2022 5th-round pick.<br><br>Dolphins get a 2023 third-round pick.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1510302389873610757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I've always liked Davante Parker and would have been nice to get him in KC. He's always had shit at QB and being in NE won't help that.

Surprised Miami traded him within their division.

Does that mean the Chiefs could have had him in the Hill trade instead of a 4th round pick this year?

Brett Veach hates old people this year. If you’re 28+ and not named Travis Kelce, kick rocks.

Maybe it's just because of fantasy but I think he's overrated

Dude can’t play a 16 game season fully healthy.

Wasn't it torn achilles? For some reason I was thinking those are even worse than ACLs.

Nor does he want to. Pat's won't change that.

The fact that the Dolphins were willing to trade him within their division probably indicates what they think of his threat as a legit playmaker.

Especially since the Dolphins are going all in to win now

To be fair, the dolphins also traded the Patriots Wes Welker.

It didn't work out well for the Dolphins at all the last time they traded a WR to the Patriots

Probably.

But why would you want to?

I'd rather have the 4th. Guy's a 29 yr old WR entering his 8th season in the league with exactly 1 decent year on his resume.

He's a bust and a brokedick. He was drafted high then had that one good season right before he was a FA so people think of him as more than he is due to his draft status and contract.

But the 4th is a perfect spot for one of those fast linebackers in this year's draft and I'd take 4 years of a possible long-term Will over paying for some decline years of Parker 100 times out of 100.

Younger. Cheaper. Chiefs 2022

I haven't looked how bad his contract is, but I would have considered it if I was Veach. Miami has had garbage at QB and on the Oline for what feels like forever, I suspect he might look better in a real offense.

A 4th round pick could be a WLB....or a CB....or a S.

Literally anyone that could bring more to this team over Parker.

But why?

He's had far more opportunities than most. And the league is littered with WRs who have put up numbers in lousy situations.

At 29 years old with nearly 100 career games played, I he just is what he is.

I think most people just don't realize how long he's been in the league. This isn't a young player. It isn't even a guy who's missed seasons with major injuries. This is a guy who's played 13 games/season throughout his career and averaged about 650 yards/yr.

There isn't any upside left there. He's as JAG as JAG gets. If the Dolphins would've cut him, I'd have maybe taken a flyer on him at the minimum. But only because he's probably better than Josh Gordon.

This isn't a guy you bother trading for.

Conversely I would expect Tua will look a lot better with some receiver help outside of a rookie Waddle.

Unlikely.

Tua doesn't have NFL arm strength and he still doesn't seem to understand how to read a defense.

He's going to keep Tyreek Hill out of the HoF.

DK Metcalf available at the right price according to Jeremy Fowler.

At the price of what?

God damn you’re terrible at this.

Do you mean "right price?"

I assume this was a TV segment? Nothing on Twitter from Fowler

Any non QB is available for the right price. DK will cost a kings ransom in picks and money.

You should start a thread about this.

Here’s the actual quote:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-wont-be-dealt

At the right price.

A new deal as part of the trade?

Nope. **** that.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Green Bay give up basically what they got from the Raiders to get him. Basically in the end they get a WR on a rookie contract for a year and then figure it out next year with the cap and big contract.

Except it wont be on a rookie deal. He wants a new deal when traded. So unless they meant extension….he’s getting paid as soon as that trade happens.

The Bills have been declared the winners of Free Agency '22! Parade floats! Balloonknot animals!

Sure, he wants a new deal but I seriously doubt his rookie contract has a no trade clause. His only options would be to play for whoever trades for him or sit out. Having said that, I doubt Green Bay gives up the farm for him for only one guaranteed year immediately after letting Adams walk. That would be pretty stupid to expend all of the draft capital you just acquired to fill a void that you created in the first place.

Guys, it's highly unlikely we just traded an elite but expensive WR for a haul of picks; only to use those picks to trade for and pay for an elite but expensive WR.

Not with like...21 players under contract for 2023.

this is a restocking the cupboard draft, and we'll use the bulk of these picks to do that.

I just said the same thing about Green Bay. It wouldn't make sense to try to fill a void you intentionally created with all the cool stuff you got for creating it.

Yet here we are. Discussing a DK trade for like the millionth time now.

It’s ****ing stupid. **** DK Metcalf.

I’d rather see what Baltimore would want for Bateman