Damn...I usually listen to Seitzer's interviews. I missed the part where he threw Jeff and Billy under the buss

It was right after it happened... I remember hearing Seitzer talk about how Jeff was always complaining about hitting behind Butler, because he couldn't score from first on a 2B by Francoeur, so he was always trying to hit it out in those situatons, blah blah.

I thnk Frenchy's leadership factor is probably overrated.

He's absolutely a selfish player, as evidenced by his strike zone "awareness."

I think that's mostly indicative of how poor his pitch recognition is. He's just bad. And he's guessing more to try and compensate for his physical gifts degrading.

Watching him try to hit fastballs right down the pipe is like watching the end of "trouble with the curve" when the highly touted prospect (Bo Gentry, but young Billy Butler probably fits) knows what's coming from the unheralded kid, but still can't touch it.

I honestly think you could tell Francoeur a fastball was coming, and as long as it was 93+ MPH, he still couldn't touch it.

Is there a link to the Seitzer interview? I'd love to read what he said in full...

FRANCOUER MUST DIE.


That is infuriating, guys.

Many of us would like to read this.

I looked for it, but I couldn't find it in the 810 archives. I think that's where it was from.

Thanks for looking.

No leaders, no responsibility, no accountability. Bad baseball. Starts with GMDM.

The interview from the other day is in the podcasts.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_...=375&f=1472551

That's not the one I'm thinking of, but it's a good interview.

I had forgotten how difficult it was to listen to this interview.

Sucks.

Sad.

General thoughts:

I hope that whoever the next GM is considers bringing Seitzer back. He clearly wants to come back, and I buy 100 percent his plan/analysis of what's going on with the hitters.

Probably not. If it was, it'd be kept confidential.

Frenchy was absolutely part of the reason Seitz was fired. Heard the interview that duncan is alluding to, and he's related its contents accurately.

It's a hell of a lot easier to double in a fatass from first base than to knock home an empty set of bags. What a one who sucks the penis Francouer is. At least he ended Boggs.

Seitzer either:

1) Has incredibly huge balls (to be as honest and open as he has about inner workings and etc. and crossing Moore/Yost so much)
2) Is incredibly confident Moore is on his way out soon and won't be in the same position again/won't have much influence or sway with other front office types
3) Doesn't give a F*** if he works in baseball again

Of course, I suppose it's possible it's some combination of 1 and 2 and possibly even a little of 3.

See all the fun you're missing out on, 'Hamas'? Are you sure you don't want to switch your fandom over to the Royals?

I'd rather put my balls through one of those machines that skins cows at a slaughterhouse.

I dislike him more than Matt Eberflus, Justin Garrett, and Bruce Walker/Brian Jones all rolled up into one.

To give you an idea.

I heard the Seitzer interview with Petro where Francouer talked about hitting behind Billy. It was the same day Seitz was fired. Here is a write up from Greg Hall regarding the interview along with the quote from Seitz.

http://www.greghallkc.com/?p=2980

Kevin Seitzer, in an interview with Soren Petro the same morning he was fired as the Royals’ hitting coach, 810 AM
GH: Petro’s interview with Seitzer, no more than an hour after the news broke that he had been canned – was great radio. Hats off to Petro and his staff for first securing the interview with so little notice and second for getting Seitzer to be so open, honest and forthcoming in discussing this past season with the Royals. Read on.

“[Jeff Francoeur] was complaining about not getting many opportunities. He was hitting behind Billy, Billy could only go one base at a time and couldn’t score on a double. Al of a sudden he starts trying to hit more home runs, drive the ball too much and pull the ball too much to catch up with his numbers. The next thing he knew he was in the middle of a slide that wouldn’t stop.”
Kevin Seitzer, 810 AM

Sounds to me like Francouer is treated like the ne'erdowell son of the boss. Needlessly promoted up the chain of command in spite of ravenous incompetence, he destroys the morale of the workforce because he's never punished for errors that would result in their firiings, and his smallest non-****ups are lauded as revolutionary successes.

Well the Royals bossman did help draft Frenchy when he was in Atlanta.

**** you, Francouer.

He seems definitely to care about being in baseball again. His last interview, when he said that he was "waiting by the phone" for DM to call seemed genuine to me.

I had forgotten how quickly Petro had him on until United's link, so it might be that Petro caught him at a weak moment. Little pissed, ego bruised, bit embarrassed...and thus the dude was far more open than someone in his position would generally be.

Was thinking the same thing. He must be set financially in case he gets blackballed by MLB.

GMDM ****ed up last year by not firing Leadhead Ned and putting Seitzer in as the interim manager. I called for it last year, but now GMDM will most likely end up going down with the ship

It's a Viking funeral.

TO THE WATCHTOWER!!!!!

LMAO

Every ex MLB player with even marginal service time is. They get a decent pension and free healthcare for life.

Source:

MLB players must play 43 days in the majors to earn a minimum $34,000 annual pension plan. Just one day in the majors gets them lifetime healthcare coverage. After 10 years in the big leagues, benefits grow to $100,000 annually.

What s the consensus? Yost and GMDM last the season?

David Glass took a team I loved as a child and used it to turn me into a very angry middle aged man.

I hate Frenchy even more with those stupid comments. **** that guy

Probably. It would be hard to justify allowing Dayton to make a 3rd manager hire especially when manager candidates know his future is really shaky. Dayton has another year on his deal although $1m isn't that much of a buyout for Glass to make if he chooses to do so. The next regime is largely working with the same roster for next year anyway.

A roster full of failures.

Our whole team save Alex lacks plate discipline. Maybe our coaches are pushing this "aggressive swinging mentality." I mean, I'm no baseball expert, but if I was a player, my approach wouldn't be to swing at anything close and try to put the ball in play. It would be to sit and wait for MY pitch until two strikes, and then revert to just trying to get a ball in play.

No one on this team takes ****ing pitches. I wonder what the percentage is of our hitters who get in 0-2 counts?

It was nice to not have to watch them lose tonight.

We be sweeping those Twins, Georgie Boy!

John Lamb watch:

He was hitting 91-92 early in his start last night and faded as the game wore on (was 84-85 by the time his pitch count got into the 80s and got lit up a bit at that point).

Still, a positive sign. If he can HIT that velocity, that just means he has to build up his stamina further as he goes along. Every pitcher and every arm is different.

Best thing all along has been the way he retained his command. If his velocity comes back and he can get to 100 pitches sitting at 91-92, he's in good shape.

Why do I spend so much time blathering about John Lamb?

1) I always thought he was the best of the pitching prospects from the BFSiBH. This is a guy who has the skills to be a Jon Lester sort of pitcher.

2) Lamb, Ventura, Duffy, Zimmer are the key to this team's ability to succeed under the new GM (which I still think happens at the end of the year). If two of those four guys hit, the rebuild window is shortened.

In fact, if you compare the rebuild this GM would be facing and the one Moore faced in 2006... much better shape for the new guy.

Gordon, Butler, Perez, Escobar and Cain are all fairly well to extremely well established as major leaguers. Perez, Butler and Gordon are "pluses" for their positions. Cain and Escobar are, at least, above-average defenders who can hit well enough to stick at those spots.

Hosmer and Moustakas still have the talent that popped off the field at scouts. With better instruction, that talent could be unlocked. It's hard to look at what Hosmer is doing and listen to the Seitzer interview without thinking someone else can get through to him.

Shields and Guthrie are more established than anything Moore had in his rotation in 2006 (and Shields is a better trade chip in 2014 than anything Moore had).

And the young pitching... still a lot of good, controlled guys in the bullpen. Still a lot of high impact guys dotting the minors.

Still in denial that we are facing another rebuild... such a tough pill to swallow this time around...

Quick trivia: match the player with his career OPS.

(1) Angel Berroa,
(2) Neifi Perez,
(3) Alcides Escobar

(a) .656 (b) .672 (c) .677

I'd say we're facing a remodel more than a rebuild.

Say a new GM is hired. He sends Francoeur, Chen, Hochevar and Getz packing. $18.5 million saved.

A long-term extension with Santana can't be reached. $12 million saved.

Some of that money is going to go to pay increases for Guthrie, Gordon, Butler, Hosmer and Moustakas (I think it's about $10 million). That still leaves the Royals with enough cash to sign mid-level FAs at SP (if necessary) and a bat and not raise payroll from this season.

The new regime would still be dependent on Hosmer or Moustakas becoming a legit bat, but I still believe in the talent (Seitzer interview encouraged me there). If one of those guys becomes a legit bat, the lineup and rotation are probably good enough make 2014 a remodel rather than a rebuild.

no game thread yet, so any guesses on the chances tonights game goes off without a delay?

You know, I was thinking, since we're doing "Salute the A's" night in July, maybe we should just do a salute to every visiting MLB team that comes into Kauffman this year. You know, make them feel welcome, invite their fans, encourage them to sweep us, that sort of thing.

Starting with Minnesota here's my ideas just for the AL Central. We can do this for every team, but let's start with the Central:

Minnesota: Free box of Wheaties to the first 10,000 fans. Harmon Killebrew Look Alike Contest (for women only). Twins get in free day, bring your Twin. Bert Blyleven Circle Jerk Night. Jerk off on TV until Bert circles you!

Chicago: Free "Gangsta-4-Life" chest tattoos to the first 10,000 women. William Ligue presides over a raffle. Winning ticket gets to attack the Royals first base coach. Bringing your child on the attack is optional. "Obama is my Homie" bumper sticker night.

Cleveland: Cleveland Steamer Night: Fake rubber poop for the first 10,000 fans. Free impersonators concert by fake Madonna, fake Bee Gees and fake Public Enemy, and other acts that don't belong in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. "Chris Perez Spat in my Face T-Shirt" night. Chief Wahoo American Indian Stereotype night: first 10,000 fans get a Chief Wahoo Indian Blanket.

Detroit: "Standing Ovation for Miguel Cabrerra" weekend. All fans encouraged to give Cabrerra a standing ovation every time he comes to bat or goes to his position at third base. I don't have anything particularly funny here, it's just that he's a triple crown winner, and we have no clue as to what its like to have a player like that on our team.

Oh, and free "Detroit is in First, Deal With It" T-shirt night.

C'mon Royals marketing wanks. If we're going to kiss up to visiting teams, lets get with the program!

that team (the A's) began in KC, didn't it?

And the ****ers left. Why should we salute 'em, except with a middle finger?

Yeah, Charlie Finley held the city up for ransom for a new ballpark in 1967. He then fled to Oakland for a sweetheart deal. Then kicked the Royals to the curb from 1969 to 1975 in the AL West. They shat on us for seven years. So let's thank them for that.

Assholes.

Oh and BTW: They "began" in Philadelphia.

do the St. Louis Rams have "Arizona Cardinals appreciations night" every year?

When the Cardinals were here, the Royals PR Wanks let Fred Bird run around OUR FIELD doing his mascot thing. Well, the two games in Kauffman were practically home games for St. Louis, since we know they OWN OUR ASSES. They treat us like their bitch, and we allow it. Pisses me off.

Our Franchise is more ****ed up than a soup sammich.

I’m sure “Oklahoma City Thunder appreciation night” would go over great in Seattle.

No. Philadelphia originally

http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/new...c&ymd=20130604

The Kansas City Royals today claimed outfielder Quintin Berry on waivers from the Detroit Tigers and immediately optioned him to Triple-A Omaha. Berry, 28, is a left-handed hitter who spent a large part of last season on the Detroit roster, hitting .258 in 94 games (75-for-291) with 44 runs scored, 10 doubles, six triples, two home runs and 29 RBI. The speedster also swiped 21 bases without being caught. A fifth round pick of the Phillies in 2006 out of San Diego State, Berry has also been in the San Diego, New York Mets and Cincinnati organizations prior to joining the Tigers. He has hit .168 in 49 games for Toledo (AAA) in the Tigers' chain this year with 15 stolen bases and only two caught stealing.

Let us print them

And he's automatically our second best outfielder.

Id replace Frenchy with him and make him bunt everytime. Has more of a chance to get on base doing that then frenchy free swinging.

Better than Cain?

They have a St. Louis Cardinals Hall of Fame like the Chiefs do with the Ring of Honor. Mixes Cardinal players like Larry Wilson, Dan Dierdorf, Jackie Smith etc. along with Rams players.

Dude has been in a death spiral over the last couple of weeks. Slug now just barely above his OBP, which is known in the league as Hosmering.

Also the Brewers honor the Milwaukee Braves at their stadium as well. They have a statue and give away Hank Aaron Braves stuff. That is the closest situation to what happened in Kansas City. Also the Mariners honor the Seattle Pilots. Its not that uncommon really for teams to have days to honor the old teams that moved away.

If we are going by recent history, just keep in mind Berry's triple slash line in AAA (Toledo) this year: .168/.278/.234

Berry is not one of our top five outfielders currently. Sad, but true.

Bump.

Seems like Dyson redux. I suppose it could mean Dyson's ankle is worse than originally expected and he might miss another month. Otherwise, I'm not sure how much it impacts the ML roster, as both Dyson and Berry are LH batters. It's not like you would drop Frenchy and platoon Berry, especially with Lough also a lefty.

Maybe he's just AAA filler to replace Paulo Orlando.

With the Berry signing I see a Frenchy release coming.

The Atlanta Braves never kept the Milwaukee Brewers from getting to the AL Championship for seven straight years. Big difference.

And the Brewers are actually the old Seattle Pilots. Again, they're in a different league from the Mariners now.

Oakland and KC don't like each other. At all, in any way, shape or form.
We should keep it that way.

The Royals AAA and AA look like the Forbidden Zone in "Planet of the Apes":

http://www.royalsreview.com/2013/6/4...6/the-pipeline

Frenchy will not be DFA'ed until all the "Frenchy Quarter" T-shirts are given out. And the Royals own promotional schedule lists "Frenchy Quarter" nights all the way into September...

So it does not bode well.

Yes, David Glass would keep a .222 hitter in the starting lineup over some T-Shirts.

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report 5m
By listing C Salvy Perez in tonight's lineup, #Royals must make a space-clearing roster move.

They'll send that catcher behind Kottaras down to Omaha.

A sane person would think: 1) Dyson's about to come back; 2) Frenchy will be DFA'd; 3) Lough will stay up as the 4th OF; 4) Berry replaces Lough in AAA.

But the Royals aren't sane.

I would assume Moore goes down.

Salvy and Herrera in, Moore and Coleman out.

"Don't go out there, Taylor. You won't like what you find."

Yordano Ventura is the lone real bright spot above A+ ball. Calixte is an intriguing guy because of his age and pop (he also had an outstanding May) and is worth watching, but other than that you're reduced to Chris Dwyer and a couple of potential IF guys in Colon and Johnny G.

Moore's college heavy draft in 2010 has really left little at those levels (combined with slow-playing all the 2011 draftees).

"What will Dayton Moore find out there, Doctor?"

"His dessss-tiny."

I had such high hopes for the Dayton Moore regime.

*Sigh*