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Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320876)

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Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 14074579)

I thought that was Chris Jones? Maybe the same thing happened to him, but I saw a mic'd up thing with Chris Jones where he attempted to compliment Sutton, and Bob just looked like a frail old man that absolutely did not belong on a football field. You know, when you are an amped up football player you might get a little physical with your celebrations, Bob looked terrified. I'm serious. He looked like totally frightened. Weird actually.

You are correct, it was Jones. I don't know how I got them confused. Wait, I was thinking of Houston who said in reference to Bob, "we ain't going NOWHERE with this mother****er".

LMAO

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14074570)

Houston went over to Bob to compliment him on a play call, and Bob just stood there shaking and staring off in to space as if Houston wasn't even there. He wasn't engaged in any other action, he was just...lost. Out of it.

True, but there are a LOT of variables that come in to play with the Saints situation as well as the other "down years" that Spags has had.

Me? I'm electing to focus on those two rings the man possesses. Piss on Rob Ryan. :)

Two?

Did he win one as a position coach or something with Baltimore?

The Giants had a good defensive run in a postseason under Spags. They were middle of the pack over the year, but Tuck, Strahan, and Umenyiora dominated.

He's a great DC like Joe Flacco is a great QB. HE had a good run but has pretty much sucked the rest of the time he's been around.

We'll see. I can't say I'm against a radical shake up, I'm just not remotely impressed with his resume. Short leash. I would have liked more turnover on the staff.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14074554)

That Saints thing was part of bountygate and all that, really hard to judge there.

He got fired. It was enough for Payton.

The last time he was DC, in 2017, his defense was terrible.

I'm not mad about it, but I just don't see much cause to approach this with anything but skepticism.

NFL Network hammering Andy Reid on his hiring of only "his guys." They talked about how Andy doesn't want anyone to overshadow him and the offense. They ended the segment by saying "remember 95% of superbowls have been won by head coaches that DON'T call the offense.

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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 14074630)

Well, Andy Reid's guys have done pretty well, I'd say.

Anyone who thinks Reid is our problem right now is ****ing high.

Does he have weaknesses? Sure. All coaches do. But Andy is not our problem, he brought stability and an honest to god franchise QB to The Chiefs. Some people are ****ing stupid.

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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 14074630)

If we had hired some unknown....then they’d be giving him shit for not wanting to work with a guy who had control. He only wanted someone who was going to answer to Reid and only Reid.

Look, Andy considers coaching to be teaching. He likes teachers. Good teachers educate and motivate.

He doesn't like a bunch of macho bullshit posturing ala Rex Ryan or Jack Del Rio. He doesn't like bluster and bullshit. He likes teachers. it's why his assistants all do well when they leave. Good teachers make good coaches make good players.

If you want macho alpha male bullshit, go be a fan of Rex Ryan's team, or Jack Del Rio's team. Oh, that's right, they're both out of coaching AGAIN this year. I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because players tire pretty quick of bullshit-and that stuff is ALWAYS over-compensating bullshit.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14074611)

Someone here had mentioned in passing that he had two to his name, though they may have been mistaken. I get the skepticism, but compared to where we finished out in the regular season, we literally can not do worse.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14074653)

Rex Ryan ran as innovative and creative defenses during his time with the Ravens and Jets as the NFL has seen in the past two decades. To simplify his success to 'macho bullshit' is dense AF.

This whole "If you disagree with anything the chiefs do, you should go cheer for X team" is the same garbage people barfed at me when I was repulsed by the Matt Cassel trade. Spags isn't the holy grail of defensive educators. What the hell are you even on about?

HIs defenses are very bob suttony... by that I mean fundamentally unsound.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14074819)

not specifically aimed at you. I'm responding to asshats that just want bluster and actually advocate guys like Jack Del Rio because he's...I don't know...an asshole i guess.

I think Ryan's a tool. His shtick has worn thin around the league it would appear.

That said, I disagree with your take on Spagnuolo.

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14074069)

I’ve mulled this over a while now.

Positives to Spagnuolo hire:
- Regarded as a great teacher of both tactics and technique. He is sound in his defensive philosophy which does allow his teams to make “adjustments” as players are usually well versed in assignment football.
- Has extensive knowledge/experience coaching defensive backs and linebackers. These position groups need the most work on the Chiefs roster. No more blown coverages at the goal line on game winning plays.
- Spagnuolo’s scheme will be SIMPLER for players and verbiage will not be cumbersome. Players’ skill sets will be catered to, and this defense will attack more with 1gap responsibilities for the front 7 and less read/react tendencies we saw from Sutton.
- Spagnuolo’s experience as a HC gives him better insight into personnel and I would suggest he might have more influence in the draft/free agency than the brass will ever let on. Spagnuolo is well-regarded by players and organizational personnel at all levels. He is connected, and can have a say into how he envisions this defense taking shape.
- Trust. Reid will trust Spagnuolo to get the job done. He’s been in the league a long time and knows how to coach.

Negatives to the Spagnuolo hire:
- The conversion to a 4-3 Under scheme will cause the Chiefs to have a difficult offseason. Hard decisions on players like Ford, Houston, Ragland, the secondary, and an ailing Eric Berry will mean a lot of turnover. I worry more about culture “buy-in” than scheme/execution. A lot of nrw faces will mean some growing pains.
- Time out of the league. Spagnuolo will not forget how to coach, but I am curious if he used his year out of the league to sharpen the saw, or rather, take a break. Is he hungry? Or is he just happy to be employed again? I think working with a contender with the league MVP should be motivation enough.
- While a new voice in the defensive locker room should be inspiring and motivating, the fact that players seem to love “Spags” is arguably an eventual downfall of his too. He has been accused of being too loyal to his players in the face of a need for discipline/accountability.
- Statistical record of work. Mediocrity might be the operative word. Maybe at this point, the Chiefs and their fanbase gladly accept mediocrity.

All in all, I think this hire can ultimately bear fruit. I think Spagnuolo is better equipped to know how to play complementary football, and his tenure and experience in the league can be an asset to Veach and Reid in bringing in the right type of players to make this defense respectable again.

I loved the thought at first when he was rumored, then soured quite a bit but I'm coming around again.

I love that he's a former HC, DC that has SB winning quality defense history. He will have complete control of a defense with Reid as the HC and I think you need this. I really liked the thought of a younger guy like Chris Hewitt or Kris Richards but are they ready to control everything on one side of the ball while they overhaul a bad defense? There aren't too many names that I'd trust to do that out of the coaches available.

I also think the talent that the Chiefs have in the front 7 fit a 4-3 better than a 3-4. Hitchens comes to mind. He flourished in a 4-3. DoD could be a stud WLB. Ford can play Weak-Side DE. I think Chris Jones could be Aaron Donald in this defense as a 3 Technique. He would have only 1 gap to worry about. Nnadi and Williams fit the 1 Technique well. Speaks fits the strong side DE MUCH better than an OLB. Hell, he could probably fit in well as a 3 technique as well. I've seen an article saying Houston could play a SAM LB, but I'm not sure...I think i'd just cut bait unless he wants to renegotiate. Kpassagnon is built like a 4-3 DE and played that in college.

As far as his statistical record, I think it looks a lot better when you look at it with context. He took over a horrible defense with the Rams, they played horrible the first year but the next two years improved to middle of the pack. I'd also throw out the saints bounty gate year as well because that team was messed up. The 2017 Giants were an absolute wreck as well. Mcadoo lost that team pretty quickly.

Problem isn't Andy right now.

It's Veach

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14074639)

Andy's weaknesses are SEVERE. Dude is definitely a HUGE ****ing stumbling block that Mahomes and the rest of the team will have to overcome.

Gifting touchdowns to the other team calling timeouts for them, and being ever so kind enough to make sure and leave some clock for the other guy to try to come back when youre going to score and take the lead.

Situational football is Andys weakness. It has destroyed him in huge games his entire career.

If you think that we dont have to build a team with overcoming Andys penchant for shitting his pants in huge games in mind, YOU are ****ing high.

Guys a ****ing idiot when it comes to simple things that need to be done to win games. Dont call timeouts for the other team, dont leave time on the clock for the other team. Simple shit a novice Madden player grasps.

The only way Andy EVER wins a big game is if we absolutely blow them out, and his idiocy on the sideline never comes into play. In essence the other team basically has to just not show up.

If the game is close, my money is on the other coach.

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 14075211)

Quality post.

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 14075211)

Holy ****ing shit. I cant believe there are people that complain about us scoring too fast. No coach is going to say "Hey now take it easy and go slow. Dont throw it deep and run off as much time as possible". You ****ing idiots act like a scoring drive is guaranteed. What if the drive stalls and you just wasted a couple of minutes getting to the 50 and lose the ball. Games over. God damn that "scoring too fast" is such a ridiculously stupid take. I honestly have no clue how some of you ****ing reeruns manage to even create an account on here.