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Chiefs=Champions 03-21-2018 06:13 PM
Rams will have a great defense. However they have plenty of holes. Amusing considering some peoples despair at the chiefs few holes on defense.

MahiMike 03-21-2018 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13480896)
I’ve always felt in any draft that picks 1-100 are the elite picks. It just seems like anything after that is not good. Of course there are always outliers.

Anything after the 3rd round is a gamble. That’s why I’d always be willing to trade picks in rounds 4-7 to get more picks in rounds 1-3. I’d gladly trade my 4th rounders to move into the 3rd round.
I say this every year. Turn 8 picks into 3.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2018 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good (Post 13482301)
Rams will have a great defense. However they have plenty of holes. Amusing considering some peoples despair at the chiefs few holes on defense.
It's not only holes, it's depth as well.

The Chiefs secondary is razor thin. They need at least 2 more CB's and 2 more safeties, not to mention depth on the defensive line.

O City has mentioned it many times but it's a ****ing travesty that Eric Reid isn't signed to any team.

He'd be the absolutely perfect safety next to Berry and would be a great signing for the Chiefs.

MahiMike 03-21-2018 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 13482230)
Great info in this link!



No it does not.
According to the link that ChiefsandO'sfan provided to OTC.
They show you two ways to figure the rookie pool.
One is that you can use ($480,000 x number of picks) = 3,840,000
You can do the math the long way and add up the value of each pick but you don't come up with the same number that OTC shows. Which is as follows
2cd - $901,468
3rd - $731,334 from the Skins
3rd - $690,095
4th - $640,687
4th - $638,761 from the Rams
6th - $518,622
7th - $499,228
7th - $497,345
Total $5,117,540

Either way we are still at $5.1 rookie pool that has to be held for the Salary Cap.
Some of you guys are spending way too much time on this.

bigjosh 03-21-2018 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 13482230)
Great info in this link!



No it does not.
According to the link that ChiefsandO'sfan provided to OTC.
They show you two ways to figure the rookie pool.
One is that you can use ($480,000 x number of picks) = 3,840,000
You can do the math the long way and add up the value of each pick but you don't come up with the same number that OTC shows. Which is as follows
2cd - $901,468
3rd - $731,334 from the Skins
3rd - $690,095
4th - $640,687
4th - $638,761 from the Rams
6th - $518,622
7th - $499,228
7th - $497,345
Total $5,117,540

Either way we are still at $5.1 rookie pool that has to be held for the Salary Cap.
and we will have 4.9M coming off of the cap as well, the draft class will count as around 200K additional against the cap when all is said and done because the bottom 8 players fall off of the "top 51"

RunKC 03-21-2018 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13481861)
While Fuller isn’t as good as Peters, KC will get better consistency and not have to worry about him losing his shit at any critical moment of a game. Turnovers will not be as much but Fuller can take the ball away still. And ya Amerson is far superior than Gaines or Mitchell
One major reason our zone defense was so good in 2015 and 2016 was Berry and Peters. it’s also why we killed NE in the 2nd half.

3-8 scheme has 8 defenders vs 5 (at most) receivers. Berry can take away the TE singlehandedly which means it’s 7-4, but Peters was so good that teams wouldn’t throw at him.

With Berry and Peters, zone coverage was basically like playing 6v3. It’s a lot easier when you have those circumstances. It’s even easier when 1 of those 5 receivers is a RB coming out of the backfield.

Losing Peters sucks and now we need to find a DB who is excellent in zone and can take the ball away.

O.city 03-21-2018 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13482356)
It's not only holes, it's depth as well.

The Chiefs secondary is razor thin. They need at least 2 more CB's and 2 more safeties, not to mention depth on the defensive line.

O City has mentioned it many times but it's a ****ing travesty that Eric Reid isn't signed to any team.

He'd be the absolutely perfect safety next to Berry and would be a great signing for the Chiefs.
Yeah I think he would be

Sadly it looks like other issues happening

Bewbies 03-21-2018 10:00 PM
**** zone. Let’s get back to man press and force our will on the offense.

Mother****erJones 03-21-2018 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13482477)
One major reason our zone defense was so good in 2015 and 2016 was Berry and Peters. it’s also why we killed NE in the 2nd half.

3-8 scheme has 8 defenders vs 5 (at most) receivers. Berry can take away the TE singlehandedly which means it’s 7-4, but Peters was so good that teams wouldn’t throw at him.

With Berry and Peters, zone coverage was basically like playing 6v3. It’s a lot easier when you have those circumstances. It’s even easier when 1 of those 5 receivers is a RB coming out of the backfield.

Losing Peters sucks and now we need to find a DB who is excellent in zone and can take the ball away.
They’re going to more press and man. Which I’m fine with as long as we have good safety play

Chiefs=Champions 03-21-2018 10:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13482356)
It's not only holes, it's depth as well.

The Chiefs secondary is razor thin. They need at least 2 more CB's and 2 more safeties, not to mention depth on the defensive line.

O City has mentioned it many times but it's a ****ing travesty that Eric Reid isn't signed to any team.

He'd be the absolutely perfect safety next to Berry and would be a great signing for the Chiefs.
Fair calls. I just think its hard to address holes + depth in one off-season. Rams have depth issues too imo. Just have enough talent to cover for it. Not to mention how deep their secondary is.

Id love Reid, he must seriously rub some people the wrong way - cause he can play. Id really like a safety plus a dline passrusher, just dont know if its in their plans sadly.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-21-2018 10:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 13482230)
Great info in this link!



No it does not.
According to the link that ChiefsandO'sfan provided to OTC.
They show you two ways to figure the rookie pool.
One is that you can use ($480,000 x number of picks) = 3,840,000
You can do the math the long way and add up the value of each pick but you don't come up with the same number that OTC shows. Which is as follows
2cd - $901,468
3rd - $731,334 from the Skins
3rd - $690,095
4th - $640,687
4th - $638,761 from the Rams
6th - $518,622
7th - $499,228
7th - $497,345
Total $5,117,540

Either way we are still at $5.1 rookie pool that has to be held for the Salary Cap.
But, then you take the 8 salaries off the books that those guys replace. So no we don't need 5 million for that.

Chargem 03-22-2018 03:54 AM
I wanted a starting safety drafted high initially, but considering that safeties seem cheap in FA I’m starting to rethink.

Also, even if the rookies don’t affect the cap, they will probably carry a few million into the season in case injuries force them to make a mid season signing, so they probably are quite close to done depending on the Williams cap hit...

Couch-Potato 03-22-2018 08:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13482520)
**** zone. Let’s get back to man press and force our will on the offense.
Let's get back to a Justin Houston with 22 sacks!!!

ChiefGator 03-22-2018 08:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13482550)
But, then you take the 8 salaries off the books that those guys replace. So no we don't need 5 million for that.
That is true, but there may be a cap penalty for some of those 8 guys cut for the draft picks. Really hard to say at this point.

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13482550)
But, then you take the 8 salaries off the books that those guys replace. So no we don't need 5 million for that.
It’s clearly evident that you, Strongside and others have absolutely no clue as to now the salary cap works, especially the Rookie Salary cap.

aturnis 03-22-2018 10:32 AM
So. Luke Joekel is available. Not a great guard, but has been good in Seattle, only struggling from time to time really with elite defenders. Would be an upgrade for us and could be a cheap 1-2 year option.

Any better options expected to be released post draft, or camp casualty? Are there starting caliber guards available in rounds 4-7?

slapnutz_4 03-22-2018 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483030)
It’s clearly evident that you, Strongside and others have absolutely no clue as to now the salary cap works, especially the Rookie Salary cap.
https://overthecap.com/explaining-th...ie-salary-cap/

Actually what he is saying is exactly how I read it

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 10:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slapnutz_4 (Post 13483060)
https://overthecap.com/explaining-th...ie-salary-cap/

Actually what he is saying is exactly how I read it
And apparently, you didn't read the very first comment:

Pretty poor article to be honest. It's stating the obvious and yet acts like it's really teaching something. It's also misleading. Your effective cap hit numbers are against a 51-man salary cap, not a 53-man salary cap. You also don't account for dead space due to guaranteed money when a player gets cut. I mean, honestly, who doesn't realize the concept that signing a Draft class means that they are beating out other players on the roster?

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If signing rookies was irrelevant to the Cap because 8-10 players would drop off the roster, why did the Chiefs need to cut Jeremy Maclin last year in order to create $10 million dollars in order to sign all of their rookies?

Again, there is some serious misunderstanding of the Rookie Salary Pool in this forum.

Buckweath 03-22-2018 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 13483047)
So. Luke Joekel is available. Not a great guard, but has been good in Seattle, only struggling from time to time really with elite defenders. Would be an upgrade for us and could be a cheap 1-2 year option.

Any better options expected to be released post draft, or camp casualty? Are there starting caliber guards available in rounds 4-7?
I really don't think Veach is going to sign a FA offensive lineman, unless after the draft if he doesn't draft one.

IMO, the Chiefs need to draft ideally a versatile LG as they did not draft any OL last year, have already three big contracts on the OL and Morse is a year away from free agency.

Chargem 03-22-2018 11:40 AM
Is there any indication that the chiefs think they need a new left guard? I haven’t seen any rumors about talks with anyone, would be surprised if they did anything more than a depth signing or a draft pick based on that.

Chargem 03-22-2018 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483098)
And apparently, you didn't read the very first comment:

Pretty poor article to be honest. It's stating the obvious and yet acts like it's really teaching something. It's also misleading. Your effective cap hit numbers are against a 51-man salary cap, not a 53-man salary cap. You also don't account for dead space due to guaranteed money when a player gets cut. I mean, honestly, who doesn't realize the concept that signing a Draft class means that they are beating out other players on the roster?

---
If signing rookies was irrelevant to the Cap because 8-10 players would drop off the roster, why did the Chiefs need to cut Jeremy Maclin last year in order to create $10 million dollars in order to sign all of their rookies?

Again, there is some serious misunderstanding of the Rookie Salary Pool in this forum.
I don’t really understand the comment, there isn’t an immediate cut when you draft a guy right, so there is no impact to the dead cap. I can see that dead cap comes into it if you later cut a guy with guaranteed money, but doesn’t seem directly related to the draft?

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13482510)
Yeah I think he would be

Sadly it looks like other issues happening
Well, Albert Breer pointed out this morning that Tre Boston (who's not a fit, IMO) and Reid are both unsigned and it took a while for Morgan Burnett to get a deal, which is just $5 million per.

I'd like to hope that Veach is just letting the market determine the value for a guy like Reid and since they already have nearly $19 million wrapped up in Berry, Sorenson and Murray at this point, he'd like to get a guy on the cheap.

To me, it would be a serious bummer if the Chiefs pass on Reid, who would be an instant upgrade, because of kneeling.

bigjosh 03-22-2018 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483098)
And apparently, you didn't read the very first comment:

Pretty poor article to be honest. It's stating the obvious and yet acts like it's really teaching something. It's also misleading. Your effective cap hit numbers are against a 51-man salary cap, not a 53-man salary cap. You also don't account for dead space due to guaranteed money when a player gets cut. I mean, honestly, who doesn't realize the concept that signing a Draft class means that they are beating out other players on the roster?

---
If signing rookies was irrelevant to the Cap because 8-10 players would drop off the roster, why did the Chiefs need to cut Jeremy Maclin last year in order to create $10 million dollars in order to sign all of their rookies?

Again, there is some serious misunderstanding of the Rookie Salary Pool in this forum.
I dont think that you are understanding it.
https://image.ibb.co/dcXTuc/top51.jpg

Only the top 51 salaries and dead money count towards the salary cap.

When you add 8 players in the draft, they will replace someone above the cutoff on this list and the replaced player gets bumped down a slot.

Example, if we draft someone at pick 22 in the second round at an estimated 901K salary. Leon McQuay would drop off the top 51, and his 555K would be relieved from the top 51 cap number, essentially making the 2nd round pick cost 346K more against the cap.

O.city 03-22-2018 12:12 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are expected to sign RB Damien Williams, per a source</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/976883874268696578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Red Dawg 03-22-2018 12:15 PM
Goodbye West.

bigjosh 03-22-2018 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13483241)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are expected to sign RB Damien Williams, per a source</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/976883874268696578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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later charcandrick

Beef Supreme 03-22-2018 12:27 PM
I just hope DJ Chark and Charcandrick West end up on the same team so they can have Chark week.

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13483218)
Only the top 51 salaries and dead money count towards the salary cap
I understand that but if that's the case, there would be absolutely no reason for a League Mandated Rookie Salary Cap within the actual salary cap.

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13483218)
I dont think that you are understanding it.
In addition to my other comment, teams still need the Cap Space in order to actually sign the players.

They're not cutting the bottom 7 players, freeing up cap space, then signing their draft classes.

They need designated cap space to sign their draftees before the bottom salaries drop below 51.

bigjosh 03-22-2018 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483370)
In addition to my other comment, teams still need the Cap Space in order to actually sign the players.

They're not cutting the bottom 7 players, freeing up cap space, then signing their draft classes.

They need designated cap space to sign their draftees before the bottom salaries drop below 51.
Hmm, i didnt know it worked like that. It wouldnt be the first time I have been wrong. I figured that every signing would automatically push someone off the top 51. Learn something every day.

Sure-Oz 03-22-2018 05:16 PM
@eric_d_williams: Scouts from 13 NFL teams confirmed by the school were on hand to watch Johnny Manziel throw at the University of San Diego's pro day: Bears, Browns, Chargers, Giants, Chiefs, Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Titans, Lions, Jaguars, Panthers and Bucs. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=2...059193422533-4

KChiefs1 03-22-2018 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13483693)
@eric_d_williams: Scouts from 13 NFL teams confirmed by the school were on hand to watch Johnny Manziel throw at the University of San Diego's pro day: Bears, Browns, Chargers, Giants, Chiefs, Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Titans, Lions, Jaguars, Panthers and Bucs. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=2...059193422533-4


Surely you jest.

Sassy Squatch 03-22-2018 05:27 PM
Ramik Wilson to Rams.

KChiefs1 03-22-2018 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13483724)
Ramik Wilson to Rams.


They are building a defensive juggernaut!

UChieffyBugger 03-22-2018 05:41 PM
Eric Reid has said he will NOT be kneeling next season. So If feeble minds within the organization were concerned about that, then there are no excuses now.

Red Dawg 03-22-2018 05:59 PM
Suh is a Ram. Dear lord is that bad for everyone in 18.

UChieffyBugger 03-22-2018 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13483767)
Suh is a Ram. Dear lord is that bad for everyone in 18.
Our offense will gladly accept the challenge In mexico.

#thefastestcleatsonearth

Red Dawg 03-22-2018 06:01 PM
I may have spoke too soon. Suh not officialy a Ram.

ForeverChiefs58 03-22-2018 06:28 PM
NFL | Eric Reid talking with teams
Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:38:28 -0700

Free-agent S Eric Reid (49ers) said his agent has been in contact with several teams. Reid said that the San Francisco 49ers have not offered him a contract.

Bewbies 03-22-2018 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13483773)
I may have spoke too soon. Suh not officialy a Ram.
Your mom is officially getting Ram’d.

The Franchise 03-22-2018 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 13483815)
NFL | Eric Reid talking with teams
Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:38:28 -0700

Free-agent S Eric Reid (49ers) said his agent has been in contact with several teams. Reid said that the San Francisco 49ers have not offered him a contract.
Hopefully us.

Red Dawg 03-22-2018 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13483816)
Your mom is officially getting Ram’d.
My mother is dead so that's really nasty.

Rausch 03-22-2018 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13483724)
Ramik Wilson to Rams.
It happens...

KChiefs1 03-22-2018 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483030)
It’s clearly evident that you, Strongside and others have absolutely no clue as to now the salary cap works, especially the Rookie Salary cap.


Chiefs rookie cap per Overthecap.com $5.1M

Chiefs Cap space is at $7,859,132 per the NFLPA.

BossChief 03-22-2018 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13483693)
@eric_d_williams: Scouts from 13 NFL teams confirmed by the school were on hand to watch Johnny Manziel throw at the University of San Diego's pro day: Bears, Browns, Chargers, Giants, Chiefs, Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Titans, Lions, Jaguars, Panthers and Bucs. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=2...059193422533-4
I wouldn’t be too mad if Andy decided to give Manziel a cheapo 2 year min deal.

Maybe he could flip him for a pick next year.

O.city 03-22-2018 10:14 PM
No

Just no

Mother****erJones 03-22-2018 10:17 PM
You’re cutting Sorensen to fit Reid, which I wouldn’t mind

Strongside 03-22-2018 10:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483030)
It’s clearly evident that you, Strongside and others have absolutely no clue as to now the salary cap works, especially the Rookie Salary cap.
Oh, **** you Dane. I’m sure you’re a real CPA out here too.

bigjosh 03-22-2018 10:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13483547)
Hmm, i didnt know it worked like that. It wouldnt be the first time I have been wrong. I figured that every signing would automatically push someone off the top 51. Learn something every day.
**** that, nevermind. I was absolutely correct.

Article from 2015
https://overthecap.com/explaining-th...ie-salary-cap/

Spoiler!


https://image.ibb.co/gKPyuc/wrong.jpg

Pasta Little Brioni 03-22-2018 10:39 PM
So, does that make Dane a butt ****ing moron? :)

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 10:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13484168)
**** that, nevermind. I was absolutely correct.
What the ****?

TEAMS STILL NEED CAP SPACE!!!

Teams can’t be against the cap AND SIGN THEIR DRAFT CHOICES.

And another ****ing “Over The Cap” article doesn’t prove shit.

Stop it.

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 10:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13484193)
So, does that make Dane a butt ****ing moron? :)
:facepalm:

Learn the rules

Pasta Little Brioni 03-22-2018 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13484155)
You’re cutting Sorensen to fit Reid, which I wouldn’t mind
Eric Reid 26 - Daniel Sorenson 28

Grade 81.4 - 40.7

Above Average. - Poor


Huge upgrade it would be.

Mother****erJones 03-22-2018 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13484201)
Eric Reid 26 - Daniel Sorenson 28

Grade 81.4 - 40.7

Above Average. - Poor


Huge upgrade it would be.
Agreed. I’d try and see if Dorsey would take Sorensen

Pasta Little Brioni 03-22-2018 10:59 PM
Vaccaro has been sooooo inconsistent.

3 season grades above 80 AND two AWFUL sub 40 years.

Reid played some LBer last year too. Weird.

Chiefs=Champions 03-22-2018 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13484232)
Vaccaro has been sooooo inconsistent.

3 season grades above 80 AND two AWFUL sub 40 years.

Reid played some LBer last year too. Weird.
Think Vaccaro played best in a scheme similar to suttons.

Red Dawg 03-23-2018 05:30 AM
I wish we would get Reid. He said he would not protest anything so Clark would be happy.

KChiefs1 03-23-2018 06:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 13483815)
NFL | Eric Reid talking with teams
Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:38:28 -0700

Free-agent S Eric Reid (49ers) said his agent has been in contact with several teams. Reid said that the San Francisco 49ers have not offered him a contract.


He would be a great addition.

KChiefs1 03-23-2018 06:41 AM
2018 Free Agents
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13484201)
Eric Reid 26 - Daniel Sorenson 28

Grade 81.4 - 40.7

Above Average. - Poor


Huge upgrade it would be.


That would be a great addition by subtraction too.

KChiefs1 03-23-2018 06:51 AM
Give me Wright, Reid & Watson & I’ll be happy going into the draft.

UChieffyBugger 03-23-2018 07:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13484201)
Eric Reid 26 - Daniel Sorenson 28

Grade 81.4 - 40.7

Above Average. - Poor


Huge upgrade it would be.
Does anyone have Tre Boston's numbers compared to Reid and Sorenson?

Also, Reid retweeted a Chiefs fans asking him to come to KC and win a ring, so IF he does have teams to choose from and we are one of them, I'd like to think we are high up on his list.

Couch-Potato 03-23-2018 07:15 AM
Reid does not fit the profile, Hunt will not allow after M Peters was rumored to be let go partially due to kneeling during anthem....Still wish we woula grabbed HB. Vaccaro is a better than what we have currently.

Jamie 03-23-2018 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483098)
If signing rookies was irrelevant to the Cap because 8-10 players would drop off the roster, why did the Chiefs need to cut Jeremy Maclin last year in order to create $10 million dollars in order to sign all of their rookies?
We had a top 10 pick last year. This year our top pick is a second rounder.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483339)
I understand that but if that's the case, there would be absolutely no reason for a League Mandated Rookie Salary Cap within the actual salary cap.
The rookie pool is meant to limit rookie salaries.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483370)
In addition to my other comment, teams still need the Cap Space in order to actually sign the players.

They're not cutting the bottom 7 players, freeing up cap space, then signing their draft classes.

They need designated cap space to sign their draftees before the bottom salaries drop below 51.
Even if you have to have the full cap space to sign a rookie contract before the bottom player drops off, you don't sign all the rookie contracts at once. You'd only need the space to fit one contract at a time.

Wait, do you think we have to set aside the all rookie money before the draft? Because that's definitely not how it works. If it was, wouldn't we have had to cut Maclin before the draft last year?

Brooklyn 03-23-2018 07:43 AM
Wonder if Reid will wait till after the draft. Does whoever gets his little brother have a leg up? We saw that not pan out with the Fullers, but would be a damn blessing to get the younger Reid and have him mentored by Berry and the older.

bigjosh 03-23-2018 07:47 AM
I dont get the infatuation with reid. He is okay. We could probably get a better safety more suited to our defense in the third round of the draft this year though.

seaofred 03-23-2018 07:48 AM
Help me out here, but doesn't Reid play the same Safety position as Berry?

bigjosh 03-23-2018 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 13484414)
Help me out here, but doesn't Reid play the same Safety position as Berry?
reid played over 60% of his snaps at linebacker last year. This thought that he is some excellent safety is overblown. He racked up a good amount of tackles because he was an ILB for most of the season.

Mecca 03-23-2018 07:58 AM
The infatuation is he can play both spots and do it well, and those LB snaps are because he was asked to do it because of imjury to their lbs.
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Sassy Squatch 03-23-2018 11:29 AM
Hurns to Cowboys
EJ Gaines to Browns

KChiefs1 03-23-2018 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13484770)
Hurns to Cowboys
EJ Gaines to Browns


I kinda wanted Gaines.

Chief Northman 03-23-2018 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13484810)
I kinda wanted Gaines.
Not a scheme fit. Undersized and a red flag injury history.

Sassy Squatch 03-23-2018 01:50 PM
LMAO Now the Jets are a serious contender for Suh because they offered him the most money.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-23-2018 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13485084)
LMAO Now the Jets are a serious contender for Suh because they offered him the most money.
ROFL

DaneMcCloud 03-23-2018 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 13484403)
Wait, do you think we have to set aside the all rookie money before the draft? Because that's definitely not how it works. If it was, wouldn't we have had to cut Maclin before the draft last year?
Good lord, really?

:facepalm:

No, teams don't have to "set aside" money to sign their draft picks before the draft.

But they cannot sign those draft picks without the adequate Cap Space to sign them.

The Chiefs or any other team, can't be at or over the cap AND sign their rookie draft choices because salaries would fall after 51.

The cap space has to be available before the bottom 7 players (or however many in the draft class) drops below 51.

Mother****erJones 03-23-2018 02:07 PM
Chargers DL Corey Liuget suspended first for games. Let the excuses begin for the Chargers

ToxSocks 03-23-2018 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13485118)
Chargers DL Corey Liuget suspended first for games. Let the excuses begin for the Chargers
Monumental bust after signing his contract extension.

The Franchise 03-23-2018 02:23 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> agreed to terms with free agent QB Brock Osweiler.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/977278174768836608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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DaneMcCloud 03-23-2018 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13485154)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> agreed to terms with free agent QB Brock Osweiler.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/977278174768836608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I wish the Chiefs could play the Dolphins twice a year

The Franchise 03-23-2018 02:33 PM
Osweiler is the new Matt Cassel.

Jamie 03-23-2018 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13485102)
Good lord, really?

:facepalm:

No, teams don't have to "set aside" money to sign their draft picks before the draft.

But they cannot sign those draft picks without the adequate Cap Space to sign them.

The Chiefs or any other team, can't be at or over the cap AND sign their rookie draft choices because salaries would fall after 51.

The cap space has to be available before the bottom 7 players (or however many in the draft class) drops below 51.
Okay then, like I said in the part of my post you didn't quote, you don't sign your entire draft class at once. The post-dropoff cap space is all you have to save, because it's more than enough to sign each individual rookie contact.


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