If you are going to swerve at least have Jacob Fatu win it and look like an absolute monster while doing so.

Cena can job to the German guy at Wrestlemania

I don’t know where they go from here, but Jey winning will guarantee at least one kinda lame title match.

Seth vs Drew vs Punk was probably their best work of the year. I was hoping they’d find a way to put the belt on one of them then have one win the Rumble and the other win the Chamber.

Both challenge the third guy and we get a triple threat of those 3 to main event Night 2. Cody gets whoever in Night 1, since that belt has already established its “importance”.

I get that you have to occasionally have a surprise winner, but I don’t get it with Jey. If you’re going that route Bron would’ve at least been similar to Brock in 2003.

I was glad to not see Cena win the Rumble...but Jey Uso?

I could have stomached Priest winning and going after Cody....Bron Breaker? That would have been interesting...

Jacob Fatu? At least that would lead to a match with Rhodes that could be interesting with a Reigns interference.

Jey Uso is as bad as if they had Finn Balor be the surprise winner.

In Jey’s defense, guys like Edge and Jeff Hardy were seen as tag team guys who projected as mid carders solo too.

I’m guessing Triple H sees something similar here.

They were younger though and better workers.

That's kind of my problem with it. Jey absolutely blew his last Mania match and from what I remember his matches with Gunther weren't much to write home about.

So Jey/Gunther and some variation of Rollins/Reigns is more or less set in stone, yeah? Only opponents that really make sense for Cody are Punk or Cena, unless Rock changed his mind again and wants back in that match.

Gunther has good matches with everybody, so Jey just having a mediocre match with him is kind of indictive of him being a so-so worker.

Hell, have Logan Paul win because people would pay money to see Gunther chop the shit out of Paul.

I think there will be a swerve thou have jey get hurt in a way that he can't compete so cm punk takes over and have a four way elimination match with drew and seth and gunther

Wow just watched the replay. Jey...really? It would have been fine had he not just had the match with Gunther. I'd rather Logan or cena or hell give me Jacob fatu lol. Jey is fine as a wrestler but want's the angle?

Also are they trying to turn Cody and seth?

And I'd rather have finn cause at least he didn't just fight Gunther...

That's a really shitty waste of a rumble. At that rate just have Cena win it and challenge tweener/heel Cody Rhodes.

That's a stretch.

WWE has turned more business first with how it books, so I'd expect more results like this moving forward.

Cody selling lots of merchandise? Check. Win Rumble twice.
Who else sells a lot of merch. Jey Uso. Check. Sell more yeet shit.

Major PPVs in Saudi Arabia. Other PPVs in this country and that country. The product as you knew it is no longer a thing.

2010 was like 5 years ago right? :fear:


I feel you on Jey. He’s got the crowd behind him, but a Mania title match just doesn’t feel like the right spot for him. A big singles feud? Sure. But carrying a world title match? That’s a stretch after just seeing his match with Gunther.

The Seth/Drew/Punk triple threat idea would’ve been fire. It makes total sense given how all three have been intertwined, and it would’ve been an easy way to set up a banger main event. Plus, it keeps the world title picture feeling legit instead of a one-off match that everyone sees coming.

If they really wanted a shock winner, Bron would’ve been a way better call. At least with him, you get that Lesnar-like dominant newcomer vibe, and he’d be someone fresh in the main event scene. Jey winning just feels like a feel-good moment with no real long-term direction. And what do they do with Jey if he loses again? He'll be washed.

This feels like Alberto Del Rio winning it. The babyface version.

Entertaining guy, but probably should just be at the top of the mid card.

So it's just the Sami chasing Gunther storyline again subbing in Jey and the World Title for Sami and the Intercontinental. Okay, I guess?

Leaning into the fact that this isn't really a Mania match is kind of lame as well IMO. That type of shit belongs in the late Vince era.

I’ll maintain that the Main Events should be:

Night 1 - Cody vs Cena. Current biggest babyface vs the biggest babyface of the previous 15-20 years. If you want to turn Cody heel, this is a good time. Let Cena build some sympathy and have Cody get annoyed as the crowd gets behind Cena. Cody can spend the next several weeks laying into the fans about them not appreciating what he’s done for them.

Night 2: Triple Threat - Punk vs Drew vs Seth. As I stated before.

Roman will figure into that somehow. Rhodes vs Cena to turn Rhodes Heel was where I thought they'd be going but now I think it'll be Punk instead.

Cody/Punk
Jey/Roman
Rollins/Reigns
Cena/Fatu or Breaker to give them the rub. Or he works Orton for his retirement match.

Lol...ok i think crazy ko is the best ko.

The way crazy KO hits the Package Piledriver is absolutely brutal. It looks badass and striaght-up painful to take. IMO, it’s the most visually devastating solo finisher right after the One-Winged Angel.

The man deserves a title run.

https://www.wrestlezone.com/news/154...make-it-happen

I believe…


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Gunther is such a great heel. This crowd work is S tier.


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Roxanne Perez is so good for being so young. I want to see her take on Iyo.

Roxanne is pretty good i do wish they let michin get a title she is so impressive also sol ruca.

Michin is a good wrestler but feels like something is missing. It’s like no one cares. Her connection with the crowd needs some help.

Roxanne is great and she’s definitely getting over but, IMO, her current finisher kind of sucks. It’s tough to sell a constant winner whose finisher needs to be that dependent on ring positioning.


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I loved his remark about the crowd not appreciating the symphony he creates in the ring. Absolutely how I feel with everyone's love for jey uso. Thank God they decided not to give him the weekly 10 minute intro to start the night.

Also give Finn a title again. He and seth always seem to put together great matches with unique ways to finish them.

He was incredible. He insulted the crowd in multiple ways, showed a hint of kindness to the little boy in his path, only to undercut it with a backhanded compliment, tormented Jey, took subtle jabs at Jey’s in-ring skills (as you pointed out), and even intimidated Pat. He didn’t just perform; he incited genuine emotion from the crowd. It reminded me of Ted DiBiase at his best.


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Good ****ing Lord, what even is this? Has Rock just lost the plot?

Yeah very disjointed. Picks up the fans phone. Shakes hands. Leads chants and songs. Then insults all of them. Pick a side rocky.

If you guys have HBO Max, the tag match between Kenny Omega & Will Ospreay vs. Konosuke Takeshita & Kyle Fletcher from Grand Slam Australia is solid and definitely worth a watch. There’s some fantastic spots.

Okada was really good in his match, as usual. His entrance was epically badass. I hope he stays with this one. The rest of the card is pretty meh.


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That was some PLE level of a main event tonight. All the counters, interference, saves...I love that you can turn on raw and actually get some quality matches. As a kid it was usually reserved for ppvs.

Cena heel turn after all these years

LMAO Cena going from the cheesiest Babyface to one of the more menacing Heels we've seen in a while was ****ing awesome. Dude has a fantastic mean mug.

He probably wanted to for years, but never could because of all the Make A Wishes he did.

It’s his last year, so might as well now.

Cena vs Cody was never going to be face vs face to main event Mania.

Nice swerve there by WWE. Cody comes out wearing black, but Cena turns heel.

Nicely done.

I thought Cena winning the chamber with some BS from Seth at the end was kind of odd, but it made a lot more sense after the heel turn.

Punk vs Rollins at Mania? Or maybe Punk vs Rollins vs Roman?

Looks like we’ll also get Randy Orton be Kevin Owens.

I thought Punk made the most sense as the guy that'd sell his soul but that's only because I never thought they'd let Cena do it. It makes a ton of sense in hindsight for it to be Cena.

Damn, what was starting out to be a really ****ing stupid storyline ends up with the fabled Cena heel turn folks have been desperate for for nearly 2 decades

Yeah. That’s great stuff.

I’m in now. I was going to be pretty bored with face Cena at Mania.

Mania got really intriguing really fast.

I wonder when this all actually got put in motion. Cena vs Rhodes for the title has been the plan for months but Rock was literally shoehorned into Smackdown a week ago to kickstart this.

Cena losing the Rumble feels better now too.

Elimination Chamber became Cena’s last chance at the title.

Reality sets in for an aging Cena that he can’t do it on his own anymore. Becomes desperate. Sells his soul for his dream.

Makes all the sense in the world.

Cena winning the Chamber without interference is a bit goofy if this is the way they were going, to be fair.

Oh shit.

Someone just posted the clip of the Rock randomly appearing at the end of Bad Blood that made no sense.

He held up three finger at the end. That’s Cena’s hand gesture.

Punk vs corporate Cena at SummerSlam is going to be ****ing WILD LMAO

Just wait until Gunther starts talking about how he answers to a “higher power” and they bring Vince back.

They need to bring out random celebrities that have absolutely no relevance to the story to REALLY piss folks off LMAO

Jeez just saw another of Travis Scott slapping the absolute shit out of Cody LMAO

My prediction is that Punk calls in his favor with Paul Heyman to get Roman vs Punk vs Rollins to main event Night 1 at Mania.

Drew vs Rollins didn’t Main Event Night 1 last year, so I doubt Jey vs Gunther will this year.

JOHN CENA YOU CAN GO TO HELL

STRAIGHT TO HELL

Wrestlers dropping F-bombs, bleeding, smoking blunts in the ring, announcers swearing...the PG era is turning in its grave....AND I'M SO HERE FOR IT!

Just don't get turning Cena to a heel this late in his career....makes no sense.

Literally nobody was going to buy tickets (super expensive) to see happy go lucky John Cena oh gee golly I tried job to Cody Rhoades at WM.

Turning heel at least brings something fresh to a familiar script and they needed a jolt after a limp dick Rumble.

Shock factor. Personally, I thought the highlight of the night was jade. I don't really even care for her but I just loved that moment at that time.

Really? Makes perfect sense to me. They have their new face of the company in Rhodes and while a nostalgia bait tour with Cena would've been nice a modern day Two Man Power Trip with Rock is way more interesting, especially considering all the shit Cena has said about him in the past and his constant losing streaks. In hindsight he was the perfect candidate to sell his soul, they just bumbled the execution a wee bit by having him win the chamber more or less clean.

IMO the best way would've been Seth and Cena as the final two with Roman appearing to spear the **** out of Seth and give Cena the victory. On the surface it appears he did it as revenge for Seth stomping him at the Rumble but after Cena turns heel then it may have been Rock sending Roman to ensure Cena won.

I get what you are saying...but this could have been done when he lost to Jey Uso....the perfect opportunity to get mad and turn heel.

Cena's heel face was priceless...loved it

Oh, and Jey Uso is almost undoubtedly opening Night One. His entrance is the perfect opener to get the crowd hot.

Plenty of pro athletes have a hard time admitting their time is up.

Cena would be no different.

That’s why I think the heel turn was perfect.

It HAS been up LMAO. Dude hasn't won a one on one match in over half a decade. Hell, wasn't the last one the event where he got absolutely squashed by Sikoa? Before that was jobbing to Austin Theory.

Well, yeah but storyline wise it makes sense.

He’s lost a ton recently. Hasn’t had a title.

He’s on his way out. Reality sets in that the can’t do it on his own anymore.

Sells his souls for one more title.

Sorta like old pro athletes that turn to PEDs late in their careers.

wonder if they are going to put a stable around Cena.

Cena not winning for a long time is just bookers, and maybe him wanting to put younger wrestlers over (which not everyone who has been around as long as Cena is willing to do).

Turning heel gives him an excuse in the storyline to win again, and to give some life to his last run. This isn't close to Hogan's late career heel turn (which was HUGE for those old enough to remember it), but the logic is similar.

Talk about a waste of a wrestler....Austin Theory is someone who never impressed me. Not sure why they wasted any effort with him.

He seems stiff wrestling and then putting him in a buddy situation with Grayson Waller made him even less of a guy to watch.

Yeah, pretty clearly a Vince guy. HHH seems to have no use for him.

Rock, Cena, Randy Orton, Drew McIntyre.

I think Orton makes a ton of sense. McIntyre does to an extent.

Batista.

The Corporate Ministry

Evolution Reborn

Prediction time.

Cody drops title to Cena at WM, probably due to interference, and wins it back at Summerslam.

Cena then turns face if Breakker still has IC or stays heel if Styles or Penta have the IC title to win it and completes the grand slam.

Drops IC title on his last match to put over a young guy HHH has trust in: Breakker, Trick, Dragunov, etc.

Oh, Cena is definitely winning it at Mania. Probably in another one of those Bloodline Rules type of matches.

CM Punk, still the best promo in the business. God damn, Hunter let him rip it.

Hell, may not even be at SummerSlam. They gonna do a tag at Mania night one again?

I think it’s Punk vs Rollins vs Roman to main event Night 1.

That could be a good one.

Reigns doesn't belong at this point.

Skyy vs Belair is certainly a WM quality match.

They must want Liv Morgan vs Rhea at Mania

Skyy…. Yuck

Exactly it makes perfect sense….

The retiring over the hill great that is so hellbent on one more run at the top that he’s willing to do anything to get it…even the thing no one thought he’d do.

Writes itself almost.

The redemption arc that will follow writes itself as well and will be a great way to send Cena off.

BTW all the stuff people are finding that either directly or possibly hinted at this that was hidden in plain sight is ****ing bonkers.