I don't think that really holds up because Cena has never been anything other than a bit character in any serious movie. Beyond WWE studios stuff, his biggest role is playing Dolph Ziggler in Trainwreck.

You might be right though about the latter part. I don't know. Personally, I wonder if what makes her her is the sum of the parts--the attractive, bad bitch who could kill any other woman she took on.

If you take out the latter, she's not exactly Kate Beckinsale. If you take out the former, is she Cyborg?

I do think the revisionism that has already come out will be interesting to see though.

Is there any particular reason why you are so belligerent tonight?

The problem with Cyborg is that she looks like a bunion and sounds like Andre the Giant after a carton of cigarettes. If Ronda Rousey wasn't built up as the 9th wonder of the world, she would probably be an above average looking girl that you wouldn't look twice at if she was walking past you at the mall. Fortunately for her, she'll always have that bad-ass persona. Similar to a guy like Kimbo Slice who became famous for beating up literal bums on the side of the road, and then got picked apart when he started fighting actual mixed martial artists.

Not exactly apples to apples but close.

http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/haymake...trailer-080515

ridiculous

Bullshit.

Cotto vs. Canelo is a legit fight and it is next weekend. Mayweather being out of the game helps boxing tremendously. There's actually been a few decent PBC fights as well.

Alcohol of course.

Over my time at CP I've figured out Al gets hits the bottle during UFC events, Easy6 all day Sunday, and Dane about midnight every night.

It was downhill from there for her.

Holm is my kinda athlete...she is classy & thankful.

The problem with cyborg is that she has been loaded up on test and other steroids for a decade.

And easy on the eyes?

False. She failed one test years ago, and has passed multiple/frequent tests since with flying colors.

Yeah, but who cared about Kimbo Slice as soon as he lost? No one really cares about someone who pretends to be a badass; they want the real thing.

I just think that casual fans are fickle in that they only want the monster. You all sound like dedicated fans that actually appreciate the sport rather than the spectacle, so you'll watch for the matchups, not the crossover story.

Lesnar didn't really have any crossover appeal after he lost. Same with Slice. I think it will be interesting to see what happens to Rousey's marketability after this, though.

And I'm so pissed I missed Rousey getting knocked out. **** the casual "I want to see an undefeated fighter bcuz history" casual fans. They packed every where I tried to go.

She fails the eye test. That chick is roided the **** out.

I'm sure we will see the rematch.

Casual fans for boxing and MMA want to see undefeated fighters lose or win. They drive the sales numbers and are one of the reasons boxing became a sport of managing your career as opposed to fighting the best fights.

She was too gassed to do the toss.

Simply Red. Hope you enjoyed the fight. Holly Holm's calves resembled Jay Cutler's biceps (not that QB n00b, the bodybuilder).

Have a goodnight my friend.

MMA is by far the best.

She is very cute too.

That's not true concerning Lesnar. He lost his first UFC fight, and was still by far their biggest earner during his tenure, I believe.

Yep. Lesnar tapped to Mir fair and square, and was still easily the biggest draw in the UFC. Even when Velasquez picked him apart, his fight with Overeem afterwards was one of the largest of the year.

Good point then. How much of that was WWE-driven, given his background?

Honestly? 90 percent probably. His first fight with Randy Couture broke PPV buying records, and it had nothing to do with Couture's 45 year old broken down body.

just boring for me. Sure.. different fighting styles are enticing.. bud if i wanna see someone get beatup.. i wanna see some great blows done hand to hand standing up. Personal preference and do not mean to come off pompous or insulting to this thread.

I believe Brock was in a category of his own as far as draw is concerned. I think he could come back tomorrow and do over a million buys (which is huge numbers for the UFC). He's a heavyweight, which are huge draws to begin with. He also looked like a ****ing beast. You really felt as if you were watching monsters collide when he fought. Lastly, the WWE crossover was really big. I know lots of WWE fans bought every Brock PPV just because they wanted to see how he did. I saw YouTube videos of WWE fans with absolutely no MMA knowledge, hanging on every second of his fights. Screaming the silliest shit. "Just put him in a sleeper hold, Brock!" It was a huge money draw for Dana, but it was almost embarrassing for the UFC.

I kinda look at the Rousey situation the same way. The promos and hype her and her opponents up as the best in the world, and then you tune in and it's subpar talent. Great for Dana's wallet, fun for casual fans, but does nothing to lend credibility to the sport.

i dont know if you noticed it or not, but she couldnt get in. she tried to close the gap a few times. once she got ****ing tossed, 2nd time Holm easily got loose and was out. In 10 fights Holm has never been taken to the ground i think i read. She's 10-0.

I knew this was going to end the way it did. Before the fight i told my bro in law, its going to end on a kick to the ****ing head watch. Then bam, kick to the head and it was over.

Holm is a damned great fighter. She's not going to be to easy to beat, but she is 34 after all. I dont see anyone in the UFC right now that could beat her.

I didn't see the fight, but when my son texted me that RR didn't touch gloves, we both agreed that she deserved to get her ass kicked. Well, it happened.

Never, Ever, EVER, EVER, EVER, disrespect your sport! She did, and it wasn't a mistake after seeing clips. It was her trying to, well, look badass. Maybe she knew what was about to happen!

After years of coaching wrestler, a wrestler who doesn't shake hands is a wrestler who most wrestlers, coaches, officials, and fans want to see lose. RR did that in an instant with one stupid move, even before she took her first well-deserved punch.

This is a silly take. She had opportunities to try to take her down and TRY to submit her.


Nothing says she definitely would have gotten it done.

I think this had more to do with it

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That video was the first I've seen of the fight and wow. Ronda did not put on a very good show at all. Those punches really ****ed her up.

She looked a bit out of shape.

The next Holm vs Rousey is going to be a huge draw. Probably one of the biggest ever.

Greg Jackson and Mike Winkeljohn had a really good night. They also trained Kyle Noke.

I assume its going to be UFC 200. They were planning to stack up that card.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/11/the-guy...-on-holly-holm

Which CP'er is this? Lucky bastard!

UFC Title History spreadsheet updated for November.

Wow, holy shit!

People who think UFC is a better sport than boxing are like people who think the And 1 Mixtape Tour is superior to the NBA or Arena football is superior to the NFL. The overall lack of skill makes for more highlight reel material. If you don't understand the sport of boxing enough to appreciate the strategy, footwork, etc., then MMA is going to be more attractive to you because the fighters constantly make mistakes that allow their opponents to smash their faces in. You get a lot more violence that way.

Boxing looks more like a game than a fight. MMA also has to outlaw some things (biting, gouging, etc), but MMA more closely resembles a fight, and Boxing is dying out in popularity. I have no interest in seeing something that is so severely limited as boxing with those enormous pillows on their fists. It is also boxing that is simpler and less complicated, not MMA, they don't even allow you to attack the lead leg with leg kicks. Your analogy of comparing Arena Football to the NFL makes more sense in the reverse.

A few interesting facts:

UFC 193 barely broke the attendance record (56,214, previous record 55,724), by 490 tickets.

Joanna Jedrzejczyk blew away the record for most significant strikes in a championship fight, and she is #2 overall for all UFC fights. (220 strikes, #1 is Nate Diaz with 238 at UFC 141)

Apparently the Vegas sportsbooks got crushed badly. They lost all the money they made from College Football that day. The only sportsbook that did OK was the golden nugget, after they decided to accept a few very large bets on Rousey.

This should be interesting. Joe Rogan is gonna release a podcast episode tomorrow with Dana White, chatting on the flight home.

Look a meme showing a woman beating shitbag! Shitbags everywhere cheer~

lol, pillows on their fists? give me 1 ****ing hit with a grant boxing glove and i will show you how them pillows feel. gtfo

Here you go:

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Boxing gloves were invented to increase knockouts by protecting hands from being broken.

Yeah, he's awful. Everyone is aware of this including Ronda. According to Ronda's mom, superstition is the only reason Tarverdyan is Ronda's coach.

I would be shocked if he remains her coach after this fight.

Jackson + Winkeljohn vs Tarverdyan. LOLOLOLOL

Jackson and Winkeljohn may be the two best MMA coaches in the world right now. If you are willing to live in Albuquerque, any new young talented fighter should go with them.

Nah. Matt Hume and it's not even close. As much as I may dislike some of the Duane Bang Ludwig's recent antics, he's also up there.

Reaction in ABQ, the guys near the camera are some of Holly's teammates at Greg Jackson's gym, including Cowboy Cerrone. The city is apparently planning a parade when Holly gets back from Australia.

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Joanna Jedrzejczyk broke her hand in the fight, probably early in the fight and needs surgery. That didn't stop her from breaking the record for significant strikes in a championship fight, but it makes more sense why she started throwing a lot more kicks than normal and started conservatively fighting for a decision in the last couple rounds. The break is in a different spot than the last time she broke her hand.

As expected, they updated this promo for 194

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Rousey was so gassed she could barely stand...a KO was inevitable.

It's certainly something they need to address.

She ended up with two good opportunities, one of them on the ground, but Greg Jackson and Mike Winkeljohn had Holly trained and coached up so brilliantly that Ronda couldn't pull off her armbar.

They were invented to keep boxers from breaking their hands as punching bone tended to break your hands. Most boxing matches before the invention of gloves mainly consisted of body shots.

With protected hands striking the head become much more feasible.

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ROFL Joe Rogan's face at the end

playing catchup...and I'm sure somebody will have beat me to the punch on this...but I don't think he's crying. hell it's GOOD for the sport! who the hell was she gonna fight next??? a dude? this opens up all kinds of possibilities.

this!
the weigh in fiasco is a perfect example. she looked like a ****ing IDIOT!
"I'm so sick of your fake niceness" what a stupid bitch. hell Rhonda started the shit....Holly just wasn't gonna back down. good for you Holly.

she also demeans Tate at every turn...the latest saying of Tate's unhappiness with being passed over for another shot (AFTER White told her she was next) she said "you've already had more tries than anybody else and you got your ass beat twice. what do you want?" well...she does have a point...but you just gotta be a dick huh?

don't forget Tate went farther with Rousey than anyone else had. basically she hates Tate because of a comment her boyfriend made. how stupid is that.

I don't think Tate will win a #3...but one can hope.....

Rousey is just not likeable.

Rousey

Hagler / Hearns

Herb Dean is a quality as they come....and I know it happens fast....I get that...but I'll bet you a buffalo nickle he wishes he'd have jumped in more quickly. those two hammer fists she took after she was already unconscious were just brutal.

starting at about 10:25 from this angle you can see the hammer fists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipb2pEAuyno

Holms won that fight at weigh in. Rousey looked like ****ing shit the night before and let Holms get in her head like no other.

McCarthy doesn't really change and his trigger is pretty much the same for all fights, but I noticed Herb Dean waits an extra beat for main events and championship fights. Not an absurdly long time, but maybe one more punch.

Which, might not be a bad thing, the stakes are enormous for the fighters, maybe give them slightly more time to get out of it than normal.

Dana cares about money and the moment Rousey got knocked out you could see the dollars pour out of his eyes as a Rousey vs Cyborg super fight went down the drain.

Has anybody else heard Rousey fired one of her trainers

No. Wouldn't be surprised if she eventually does, but a lot of people have been calling their shot with bullshit stories that sound plausible, hoping to get lucky. (Rousey has a broken jaw, Rousey is quitting MMA, Rousey fired her coach, etc)

I have heard a lot of that too..wanted to see if you guys had heard anything

The current estimates for PPV buys for 193 are just under 1.1MM

God damn. What do you think Mcgregor/Aldo will do?

This was terrible for their marketing. The fans got caught up in the idea that Roysey was some sort of phenom. Getting knocked out with ease by a 34 year old nobody just gave everyone a peek behind the curtain.


And for everyone complaining about how unlikable she is...it's an act. She patterned herself after Mayweather's schtick. It sells tickets. She was all style and no substance. Credit to her for cashing in while she could. She will be nothing but a footnote in MMA history.

I'm that guy.
When I watch boxing, I see guys circling, hugging, with a few punches thrown in. I've never been in a boxing match. I have no frame of reference.
However, I wrestled, I've been in fights which were far more like a MMA fight than a boxing match. I've got more of a frame of reference. And, yea... there is more action.

I'm to fighting as newer fans are to other sports.
I love the hell out of a pitchers duel.
I love to see a defensive battle in football.
But in fighting, I want to see action.