lol

I think that move would be very stupid for both KU and MU.

Gracias

**** plugging holes in this sinking Big 12 ship.

**** Texas.

**** the MWC. Sorry Buck, I know you think the conference has something valuable to add to the Big 12 or vice-versa; but this is the absolute worse case scenario.

Just get KU into a power-conference and I don't give a shit what happens with the rest of this shit.

Give billay a break. He doesn't have time to hit the books when there's plenty of flexing to be done.

Yea i'm not going to take to time to proof read when i'm typing on my Zune.

Yes, IMHO the B10 made the move they wanted to make in order to set the B12 foundation crumbling. They will now sit back and let the P10 and others make moves then see what ND is motivated to do. From there the B10 will make additonal moves as they see fit.

I haven't searched long and hard, just a typical google search and refinement, but all I can come up with is this for Mizzou "taking a shot":


That is from December 15th, and it in no way shows that Mizzou instigated anything, all it shows is that Mizzou gives the same tired and annoying statement for everything, that they will listen and evaluate what is best for the school. It doesn't say that they are delighted to be considered and that they want to escape the buttrape contract they have with Texas and the revenue.

This snippet is from the following day, December 16th:
What is interesting about that piece is that Mizzou spoke in "response to a post on The Star's Campus Corner blog." So Mizzou was responding to rumors and was trying to shoot them down.

From a local Columbia paper, The Missourian, an article was written on December 15th stating the same thing, that Mizzou would listen to any offers and evaluate to see what is best for the school. If you read that article you will actually see it tries to make the case against leaving the Big 12.

Now from those early days where it was complete specualtion, and as Deaton said multiple times, there has/had been no invitation, just reporters calling and asking questions, then spinning that into official sounding rumors... then it grew into shit like this:

Shit like this started cropping up all over the net, none of which was true, factual, or official, all just fan speculation and happy wishful ****ing thoughts. Then places like ESPN started getting in on it...

Articles like this, posted on sites like ESPN, may have made things seem more sure or official than they really were, I don't know, that is all I can really think of for the blame Mizzou shit storm to take off.

I have to wonder how many of these reporters or authors of blogs or what the **** ever, are Mizzou grads from the J-school and were just writing hopeful pieces or arguing their case, but the point remains that from the start ~Dec 15th, Mizzou has been rather beige/bland/lame/boring/pussywhipped/thoughtful/correct/polite/dignified in their rather typical response of "doing what is best for the school."

I am still on a quest to find the very first reported piece so if anyone knows what it was or where it is please let me know. I am not real good at searching for published articles on google, mostly just trial and error for me, but Dec. 15th seems to be the earliest I can find... I think I may have found a post on tigerboards that was from Dec. 13th... but that is an MU version of CP, or maybe WPI.

This should be it.
If not, it should be somewhere on this page:

http://1620thezone.com/pages/727732.php

Good luck.

Vali I've been watching alot of the BigTen Network. I gotta say Iowa would be a championship team if they had a better QB then Stanzi. Some of his decisions throwing the ball are totally ridiculous.

Oh, and I'm assuming you meant the press conference afterwards, not the actual meeting.

Uh oh, bowener using evidence to support his argument...

Thanks. I only heard some of it but Kevin Keitzman sounded like a man whos job is irrelevant from Jan til August.

KnowClone?

I just want to hear the parts where they slam Texas and Mizzou.

Thanks, I know what you mean about Stanzi. He can be frustrating as hell. He is feast or famine.
OTOH the only loss came when Stanzi was out and he led us in a sound victory in the Orange Bowl.

We aren't a pernennial NC contender but Iowa is a very solid program with a constant flow of linemen, TEs and d-backs going into the NFL. We aren't Ohio State or Texas when it comes to football but we always have reason to hold our heads high.

Go Hawks.

:D He isn't near that homered.
Gotta' respect a guy who stands by his school especially when they are facing a lot of uncertainty.

If that is what is needed to start all of this then it seems that there were some secret conversations prior. For a school to acknowledge that they will listen to any deal doesn't seem very damning to me, it just looks like they are doing what any business would do (and Universities are big time businesses). But if this tiny statement of "listening" sparked some kind of insecure rage in Texas or Nebraska or the entire Big 12, then it would seem they did so with a bit of convenience for themselves... think of trying to break up with your sig. other. You don't know how to go about it so you wait a while thinking it over and pondering until one day you get lucky and they come up to you and say they haven't been feeling the same about you and want to take some time off or look around just to clear their head... so you jump on it, blow it out of proportion and break the thing off guilt free or agree to look around without the intent of coming back... either way it was a moment that could be used to your advantage for you to do the exact thing they wanted, but hadn't had the balls/ovaries to say out loud, only now you are the guilt free party spitting hateful words at the other for trying to ruin what you have, all the while you had one foot out the door.

A case and point would be Tom Osborne who publicly stated several times that he did not want to leave the Big 12 and that it was a bad idea for Neb., yet when it came time he loved it and left kind departing words for everybody he didn't want to break up with just days before.

I actually agree that the Clones are getting better. But that post seemed to come straight from knowmo's playbook.

It will do me no good. I realize most are going to see me as a Mizzou homer, but in all honesty at this point I am more interested in how all of this really got started. I know when I first heard about it, it was sometime in December and I was driving through KC listening to 810.

lol

Do elaborate.

It's probably on Huskers.com. I don't know if you'll be able to access it unless you're a premium member though.

You mad?

Side bar:

Do you think the new big 12 should think about adding memphis if they want to stick together a bit longer?

Longer article here.

Seems KU and Memphis in the same basketball conference could be fun to watch annually.

edit:

Think of all those fedex commercials that would feature the Big 12 endlessly all over the nation...

Ohio State is in the same elite category as Texas and Oklahoma, year in and year out. Missouri would have been (might still be) in the same boat in the Big Ten that they've been in in the Big 12. They'd need to continue to improve to actually win something. The only reason they might have had a better chance to win the Big Ten in the past few years is because there was no championship game and on any given year they might have been able to avoid playing top Big Ten competition altogether. That's all changing now because the Big Ten is going to have the same Championship game that's been the thorn in Mizzou's side for two of the past three seasons.

Your fear of Texas is pathetic. The next thing you'll be saying is that you want Mizzou basketball to hide out in the Missouri Valley Conference to avoid those scary KU teams. WTF has happened to you, man? Find yourself some institutional pride. Mizzou can build it's "brand", as you effetely say, in either the Big 12 or the Big Ten.

Memphis is a ****ing turd. Wow, now they're going to throw $10M per at the conference for a total of 10 years? Big ****ing deal.

$900K per year isn't enough for viable institutions to stay tied to a floundering conference.

There's little question that MU and KU will end up in one of the following conferences:

Pac 10
Big 10
SEC
Big East

Any of these will be better options than ceding even more power to Texas and bringing inferior universities into the conference.

Thanks found it on The Zone website.

heh, you are seriously trying to argue that Missouri hasn't been flirting with the Big Ten? What do you think happens if there are rumors that the Big 12 could invite Arizona or Iowa? What happens if there's a Florida to ACC rumor? We won't get a "we'll listen and evaluate any offer" type of answer, just a flat-out no.

Missouri is now giving out their "proud member of the Big 12" loyalty proclamations since they seem to be getting the cold shoulder, but you heard none of that when the rumors were flying.

Silence is often a loud statement. When the world was saying Mizzou to the Big 10, a lack of a response or denial is basically the same as "yeah, we're hoping it happens"

Oh, he mad.

I guess I would be misserable if I were you too.

*Immediately applies ointment to sick burn*

* internet is serious business*


Seriously though its funny as **** seeing all the butthurt in this thread.

i don't mind if the patch the Big 12 for another year as long as KU continues to look for another conference.

KU can collect the penalty money from the schools that leave and get one last payday.

This is Tom Osborne's own words:
The point is that "they listen," all of them. They are ****ing businesses, it would be stupid not to field calls and listen to deals to see what is best. Hell, if anything it offers them a better perception of where they stand in the market, and gives them ammunition when it comes to revenue discussions with the Big 12.

The University of Missouri has been saying that all along.

You really should still to politics, patty, because you don't know shit about the realities of sports.

I know you're angry with me over your puppy getting banned again, but I had nothing to do with it this time. Trying to insult me because I see the big picture in something completely unrelated is pathetic.

Do let me know when your swelling subsides.

Vali I noticed The Big Ten Network has several channels do they show more then one Big Ten game at once?

and, as a business, it would also be smart to play all sides. You don't have to outright lie, but it wouldn't be hard to put out a strong front that you are a proud member of the big 12, there are no plans to leave at this time, etc while the people who matter understand you are taking calls just in case an offer blows you away.

this is, in essence, the same thing MU said. so how in one instance is it smart, and in another its instigating?

I think you misunderstand. Memphis isn't trying to recruit schools to Conf USA. They're trying to get out of Conference USA by moving to the likes of the Big 12 or Big East. Memphis by itself is far from a turd. It's in a decent sized market, with a big time basketball program and a football program that would improve in a BCS conference. It would also begin to create access to a new recruiting area. They're not Texas or OU, but Memphis would be better than some of the MWC teams that have been rumored.

Sounds like fat boy has been sucking hind tit behind Texas and OU for so long he can't see beyond it.

I'm sorry I insulted your girlfriend, vailpuss.

That is what I am trying to figure out now.

No, I understand perfectly well. Of course they're trying to get out of Conf. USA.

And Memphis, the university, is absolutely a turd. Though all of this is being driven by athletic and television dollars, the academic side of this cannot be overlooked.

Because Nebraska played it all out behind closed doors and kept their mouths shut. Missouri preferred to play it out in the media.

Go check this site out, you might find the current feature story interesting.
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/

NU isn't on the site yet but once you are you will see how easy it is to follow your tem.
B10 network shows everything. Classic games, tournaments in everything from baseball to wrestling to girls softball to you name it. Hours of pre and post game commentary on all teams in the conference with loads of highlights.

I really don't think the media or the fans gave them much of a choice. But obviously they misplayed their hand.

It's simply a case of "he started it". You can hear this on every elementary school playground across America.

This isn't accurate, as best I can tell. Yes, Mizzou has been linked to the Big 10 in the media, but this doesn't seem to have been driven by soundbites from anyone connected to MU itself.

Oh, was your question regarding number of fball games shown at once?
Yes, they show more than one game per day. Here was last year's schedule:

Big Ten Network’s 2009 Early-Season and Primetime Schedule
Day, Date & Time MatchUp
Thu., Sep. 3, 2009, 8 PM ET Eastern Kentucky @ Indiana
Sat., Sep. 5, 2009, Noon ET Akron @ Penn State
Sat., Sep. 5, 2009, Noon ET Montana State @ Michigan State
Sat., Sep. 5, 2009, Noon ET Towson @ Northwestern
Sat., Sep. 5, 2009, Noon ET Northern Iowa @ Iowa
Sat., Sep. 5, 2009, Noon ET Toledo @ Purdue
Sat., Sep. 5, 2009, 7 PM ET Northern Illinois @ Wisconsin
Sat., Sep. 12, 2009, Noon ET Syracuse @ Penn State
Sat., Sep. 12, 2009, Noon ET Western Michigan @ Indiana
Sat., Sep. 12, 2009, Noon ET Eastern Michigan @ Northwestern
Sat., Sep. 12, 2009, 7 PM ET Air Force @ Minnesota
Sat., Sep. 12, 2009, 7 PM ET Illinois State @ Illinois
Sat., Sep. 19, 2009, Noon ET Eastern Michigan @ Michigan
Sat., Sep. 19, 2009, Noon ET Temple @ Penn State
Sat., Sep. 19, 2009, Noon ET Wofford @ Wisconsin
Sat., Sep. 19, 2009, Noon ET Northern Illinois @ Purdue
Sat., Oct. 3, 2009, 7 PM ET Ohio State @ Indiana
Sat., Oct. 17, 2009, 7 PM ET Illinois @ Indiana
Sat., Oct. 24, 2009, 7 PM ET Iowa @ Michigan State
Sat., Oct. 31, 2009, 8 PM ET Michigan State @ Minnesota

As a hawkeye fan I'm glad to see NU join the big ten. I wish missouri would have done the same. Would/will make for some fun rivalries.

Oh, and F ISU.

Not sure how that works out for cable networks but on DISH you could watch more than one game at a time on the bigten network.

If we go to four 16 team superleagues (Pac 16, Big 16, SEC 16 and ACC 16), I don't think you'll like what is left of the Big East. I'd expect that Pitt, WVU, UCONN, Syracuse, and Rutgers would all be gone...

The best case for the Big 12 (now 10) would be for Texas and the rest of the remaining teams to stay in the league--and for the league to look at adding two more teams. Memphis and Louisville would make nice adds, imo.

I assume the Pac-10 would then add Utah--and all the talk of expansion would be over for a little while.

FWIW, though, I don't think that is what is going to happen. I think these four 16 team superleagues want to take a bigger share of the pie.

It's on Direct TV now but as I recall I only got one station. Not a tier of games. Hope that changes once the games start next year.

I think they would look for football schools more so than basketball schools. I'm thinking Utah and TCU.

Someone within Mizzou coming out and basically saying "yeah we're interested" would have gone way beyond "flirting" and deep into the realm of "shamelessly throwing yourselves at them". Congratulations, Mizzou had some amount of pride and restraint during the fiasco. We still didn't see much in the way of denial until recently.

:Lin:

Also, just to not be misunderstood, I am in no way blaming Missouri for Nebraska leaving. If anyone other than NU deserved some blame, its Texas. Mizzou just happened to be a convenient scapegoat for them, they would have trotted out some other excuse.

Congratulations? Give me a break.

Yeah, it's absolutely shocking that a university that isn't one of the holders of power within the conference would be willing to listen to an offer that could benefit the university, state, and city of Columbia.

Shocking.

I think last year DISH had two stations carrying the games but the second one wasn't advertized very well. You just had to know it was there.

I'm not saying its necessarily a bad thing especially from their viewpoint. It is just hilarious to me that people were somehow trying to argue that Mizzou wasn't flirting with the Big 10. It's ok, nothing to be ashamed of. It's also useless to try to convince the rest of us after the fact that it didn't happen.

http://twitter.com/chipbrownob

KU is now on the clock...

DeLoss Dodds says:

SEC or bust is seems...

hope KU gets out quick if they're going cause they'll only be the third team out, and Tom Obsorne informed us that three teams leaving a conference doesn't break up a conference.

so unless KU wants to be blamed for the downfall of the Big12, they better do the damn thing.

I will enjoy watching Nebraska kick the shiite out of the Squawkeyes.

What do you mean?

The chromosomally challenged are fun to read.

yea ... with tongue firmly planted in cheek while they continued to try and work out a deal with the Big-10

it's beyond stupid to try and pretend that MU wasn't "working it"

i guess no one should be surprised that MU and their fans are completely full of shit. They can't even even stop lying and about their lies.

They took their shot and it didn't work out(yet) ... MUron's just need to stop being such pussies and man up.

i fully expect them to pull another 180 and start talking shit with more lies if they end up going to the Big-10 later on.

Don't really know that yet. We have conflicting reports that the #16 pick is Utah or Kansas. (You might wonder "Utah?" but they have apparently been working on the PAC 10 for years)

Any new rumors with KU in the last 24 hours?

Don't feel like reading the last 500 posts.

Look at Utah demographics. It's got about the same population as Kansas and is growing at a much greater clip.

Texas A&M may have said no. (possibly looking at the SEC?) That means if the Big 12 dies, Kansas could back-door their way into the PAC 10

If you look closer at demographics, SLC is at best split in half between Utah and BYU. Utah doesn't have markets like Wichita and Topeka to supplement the competition of KU/KC market. That gives KU a roughly 300-500 thousand edge in viewership. Utah's ace in the hole is Sen. Hatch, that's the only reason it is a tossup.

I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if the bigten network does televise conference gymnastics since they do softball too.

Hatch is a good chip to have lying around then.

What, like volunteering to be ground zero for some advanced weapons testing?

:D

Hey, at least we're not tied to KSU.

:D