Well the hope is you can tag and trade him after the year so you can use FA and the draft to get younger and replace some of that production.

Are you seriously this dense?

Their SB odds didn’t change when they signed a guy to a long-term deal who was already expected to be on their team that year.

Are you on drugs or something with these takes?

Can the Chiefs win a SB without Chris Jones because they have Mahomes? Yes.

Is it as easy to just say we’ll spend the money elsewhere and replace Jones and have the same odds of winning the SB? No. Because he’s a known entity who generates elite production. Yeah, maybe Veach can replace him with youth and spend the money elsewhere and we wind up a better holistic team. Or, maybe they use the CJ money to sign someone like Frank Clark who dramatically underperforms his contract and that sets us back a few years.

No one is saying we’re doomed if we lose Chris Jones. But if they were forced to trade him right now to the Bears for picks in next year’s draft, yeah, I think it’s safe to say our SB odds would fall quite a bit.

We need Jones to go 20-0. Good thing he will be here this year regardless of a new deal.

He wouldn't be traded now, it'd be after the year.

Actually, I would…and I’m a huge fan of both Creed and Bolton.

but that's exactly what O City is saying, and why I called him out. That's the ONLY thing I'm debating.

It's a coinflip... I am fine paying him $2 million more per than the 3rd highest paid DT, but paying him Aaron Donald $ is what bad franchises do...

The Bengals don't have a single all-pro on their defense and yet there they are still one of the best. I'd imagine losing Chris would put us in a similar situation.

The Chiefs defense has solid talent everywhere and finally at DL.

For years the Chiefs put limited talent next to Chris. Frank Clark apparently sucks, Alex Okafor wasn't good, Melvin Ingram and Terrell Suggs were old. Hell Kpass and Speaks didn't cut it all all. I like Mike Danna but he is a great off the bench role player but not a true starter.

The Chiefs didn't truly invest in the DL until recently. That's a big reason why it was "Chris Jones is all we have!"....well he kinda was.

We won't be forced to do anything with Jones. We lose him as a great play if he doesn't report, but he loses way more financially. This is all moot as he will sign or report by Sunday...

Yes, I get that. I'm just giving you an extreme situation.

No one is going to assume that the Chiefs are going to be as good next year on defense if they lose Chris Jones. Might it make them a better team over the next several years as with the Tyreek trade? Sure.

I'm only arguing the notion that our SB odds would be unchanged. CJ is an elite talent. I have no problem paying the guy 25-27mm a year because I think that's the right vicinity for him. If he's trying to squeeze 29-30mm, then I can respect Veach's deciding to go in a different direction.

Jones will sign a deal in the range between Donald and the second highest paid DT. That’s what he’s said all along. These things take time and this is all posturing. He’s not going to sit out regular season games and I couldn’t care less about him being at camp or playing in the PS.

That result benefits both sides.

That's all fine as long as he's keeping his body conditioned. Otherwise, he's probably increasing his exposure to injury risk.

To much money on the line for CJ to hold out all season so he'll play on his current deal if they can't come to an agreement on a new contract. In one way that could work to our advantage. CJ will essentially be playing in a contract year looking to cash in the following season. That should have him motivated and a little peeved where he destroys worlds.

Obviously the guy is staying in top top shape. He’s trying to get a mega deal and his physical shape hasn’t ever been a problem.

Dudes a game wrecker that will be a Chief for life.

There is a definite "Chris Jones is as important to the team as Patrick Mahomes is" crowd.

It's laughably stupid, but it is out there being said. So that camp believes that we wouldn't have won the Superbowl without Chris last year as the defense surrendered 35 points and registered one sack by the guy who plays for the Saints now, and go on to say that we cannot win the superbowl this year or any other year without Jones, despite having an undefeated record in games he has missed, including the 24-0 playoff comeback against Houston the CJ95 enjoyed in his street clothes.

Chris, like Tyreek before him, is a luxury we simply cant pay the asking price on. The sky was falling when Hill left and in a rebuild year we won it all.

You'll see a similar result if and when Jones is moved as well.