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The Franchise 10-31-2016 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12519185)
Alex does the same damn thing man. Come on

They are in full defend mode. Logical discussion is futile at this point.

O.city 10-31-2016 09:25 AM

Foles is a chucker. I like it and it looks good in games like this.

I think he's a good fit in this system.

I also think smith is better right now.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-31-2016 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12519185)
Alex does the same damn thing man. Come on

Alex sometimes tucks and runs too soon. He doesn't sit in the pocket too long.

Now, sometimes that's unfortunate, but is there any doubt who's going to turn it over more times in a big playoff game?

If you go into New England and turn it over, you will lose, 100/100 times.

The Franchise 10-31-2016 09:26 AM

Smith is better at the short passes where Foles is better at the deep passes. What I'd like to know is whether or not Reid called the same exact plays for Foles that he did for Smith.

RunKC 10-31-2016 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12519192)
Alex sometimes tucks and runs too soon. He doesn't sit in the pocket too long.

Now, sometimes that's unfortunate, but is there any doubt who's going to turn it over more times in a big playoff game?

If you go into New England and turn it over, you will lose, 100/100 times.

Yes he ****ing does dude. Schwartz has been bashed here bc he "gives up so many sacks" but it's Alex holding onto the ball forever.
We saw this in the SD, HOU and PIT game.

The reason Alex gets the ball out quickly is play design. Screens, crossing routes, out routes. Foles did the same thing in Philly.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-31-2016 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12519194)
Smith is better at the short passes where Foles is better at the deep passes. What I'd like to know is whether or not Reid called the same exact plays for Foles that he did for Smith.

If I had to guess it's the same plays.

There's no doubt that with Foles you are going to see more deep passes, and more completed by default. But, you're also going to see far more turnovers and mental errors.

With our defense, I'll take Smith in January given that he has a proven playoff track record of playing well.

The Franchise 10-31-2016 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12519192)
Alex sometimes feels pressure that isn't there and then shits his pants.

Fixed that for yah.

O.city 10-31-2016 09:30 AM

Smith doesn't hold it though, he just leaves too quick sometimes

The Franchise 10-31-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12519204)
If I had to guess it's the same plays.

There's no doubt that with Foles you are going to see more deep passes, and more completed by default. But, you're also going to see far more turnovers and mental errors.

With our defense, I'll take Smith in January given that he has a proven playoff track record of playing well.

How many turnovers and mental errors did he have yesterday? That one pass to West where he could have put a little more touch on it?

How many passes has Smith sailed over the WRs/RBs/TEs heads? There were more of those yesterday than Foles mental errors.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-31-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12519209)
How many turnovers and mental errors did he have yesterday? That one pass to West where he could have put a little more touch on it?

How many passes has Smith sailed over the WRs/RBs/TEs heads? There were more of those yesterday than Foles mental errors.

Foles played better yesterday, but that's the kind of defense that plays into his hand. He can sit back there all day and let his weapons shred that atrocious Indy secondary. He will do it against Jacksonville, too, if given the chance.

But what will he do when he's in Denver? New England? That's what I fear.

RunKC 10-31-2016 09:36 AM

Alex's big thing is his legs. He made plays scrambling but that hasn't happened this year.
So you're taking away his scrambling and the only thing Alex is better than Foles at is accuracy in the first 20 yards.

Look at what Foles did in Philly with competent coaching in 2013?

Andy's QB system is very plug-n-play. Screens, intermediate passes and running the ball. To be fair, Alex has done a MUCH better job throwing accurate passes downfield this year, but Foles did that well yesterday.

I think that with this coaching and talent, Foles could look more like 2013 Foles than any other version.

O.city 10-31-2016 09:39 AM

It's a spot where stats are misleading. FOLES wasn't really that curate with deep shots yesterday but you don't always have to be THAT precise there.

The deep ball to hill was pretty underthrown, the td to hill has a good throw but on busted coverage.

A nice deep out to Kelce and the td to Kelce were legit throws.

Other than that, did he really do much smith wouldn't have.

The Franchise 10-31-2016 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12519217)
Foles played better yesterday, but that's the kind of defense that plays into his hand. He can sit back there all day and let his weapons shred that atrocious Indy secondary. He will do it against Jacksonville, too, if given the chance.

But what will he do when he's in Denver? New England? That's what I fear.

What defense plays into Smith's hand?

RunKC 10-31-2016 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12519217)
Foles played better yesterday, but that's the kind of defense that plays into his hand. He can sit back there all day and let his weapons shred that atrocious Indy secondary. He will do it against Jacksonville, too, if given the chance.

But what will he do when he's in Denver? New England? That's what I fear.

1 TD to the flat and 2 INT's vs Denver..

pugsnotdrugs19 10-31-2016 09:40 AM

If Foles gives them the best chance to win a Super Bowl, he should play...

But as of now, I don't think that's the case


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