In Re: to Hoover, yes I think Dorsey’s drafts typically had 1-2 great players and that was really nice. A big issue though is that most of the other picks weren’t good at all. Many times the picks struggled to make the 53-man roster in their first year, leaving the roster quite thin by the time we got to 2017.

It would be lunacy for the Chiefs to trade up in this draft

The QBs blow this year

If Veach has a big draft this year, it could go a long ways to impacting the Super Bowl fun next year. Shit, I think there’ll be at least one UDFA he hits on

Bullshit.

This team has a few spots it needs to fill on a very talented roster.

Mahomes, Henne
Hunt, Ware, West
Watkins, Hill, Conley, Robinson, DAT, Acheson, Kemp
Kelce, Amaro, Harris
Fisher, Ehinger, Morse, LDT, Schwartz, Erving, Witzman

On offense, I’m drafting a development QB in the late rounds, leaving the WRs alone, upgrading the RBs is possible with minimal resources. A 4th rounder would get a good one. I’m trying to get a premier guy at LG or center. My choice there would be James Daniels if they can’t fill the spot in FA. He’s very well balanced, being very effective in pass protection and run blocking.

We can’t depend on Morse or Ehinger...a guy that can step right in at either spot and play at a high level to protect our investment in Mahomes needs to be a priority.

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On Defense, we have some nice pieces, but tons of work needs to be done to unlock this units potential.

Jones, RNR, Williams, Jenkins, Bailey
Houston, Ford, Kpass, Ragland, Hitchens, Nicholas, Eligwe, Smith
Berry, Fuller, Nelson, Amerson, Murray, Sorenson, McQuay

Adding a bunch of late rounders to that group of players isn’t going to help at all.

That group needs 2-3 PLAYERS that can step in and do the job...not a few JAGs that will get cut.

The great part about this years draft is that it’s DEEP in the secondary...guys that would normally be in the mid first will be there in the first 10 picks of the second round. Maybe even past that. That should allow Veach the ability to move up and get talent at a discount, even if it costs multiple picks to move up.

We need a CB, S and DL that can come in and provide an impact playing a role early on and to grow into larger roles as the team matures.

They need to do what they did last year and not be afraid to move up to get guys they like.

Mahomes
Hunt

Dude, why the negative takes all offseason on the Chiefs moves?

Veach has been nothing if not decisive and following his plan to a "Tee".

I don't get it.

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Nah saying it would be crazy for them to trade it in the draft isn't being negative. While I think they overpaid for Watkins I like what they've done in the off season. They aren't a player away though. They still need to upgrade at guard, acquire more talent on the defensive line, and some depth and the linebacker position and the secondary looks like a mess. Stay put in the draft fill 3 or 4 of those holes I mentioned.

No team is a player away this time of year... I think we'll still be acquiring talent in the coming weeks. Re: the draft. I just don't think we have the ammo to move up much. That being said, they obviously want impact athletes and will sacrifice quantity for quality.

Totally agree. We need depth as well as quality players from this draft and thus I think it would be foolhardy to trade away picks just to move up a few spots. The rush to get the QB's and the obvious "stars" such as Nelson, Barkley, Chubb, Ridley, Smith etc In the first round should see a lot of quality fall to us If we stay patient.

Exactly. How dare Veach identify an impact defensive player and get him.

Dude it’s March 21st!

Give it time before freaking out. We still have free agency, draft & other team cuts to do before the roster is set.

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Hopefully Chiefs sign him and so long Harris.

I would rather see a guy like Brent Celek?

I'd go jimmy graham personally

What are you trading to get him?

Celek had 13 receptions last year, 14 in 2016 and 27 in 2015.

Watson had 61 receptions in 2017 alone.

Will be interesting to see what happens with guys like Watson and Marcedes Lewis... there's a role for them in the right offense. They're no longer "the guy", esp Watson at 37 and at 33, Lewis should still have 2 years left. You only sign those guys though if you're looking for 20-30 receptions - to me, that would be goal line or 'need to sustain a drive' guys.

I’d feel a lot better about Watson stepping in for Kelce if need be than Harris. For that reason, I’m fine with it.

As mentioned already, he can provide more leadership to that side of the ball which is so young.

We need a blocking TE.. that opens up a lot more in the offense. We have enough catching targets, honestly.

Lewis or Watson would be great blockers, that still have to be respected in the pass game a bit.

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We got better overall as a defense, especially at ILB if you look at the starting unit that opened the season.

We got considerably worse at corner losing Peters. We have a better group, but nobody is on Peters level.

We're going to get worse at turnovers but better at tackling with the switch from Peters to Fuller.

Yay tackling for a corner.

You’re flat out wrong man. Veach has identified and got ILBs that Dorsey didn’t give two ****s about. Dorsey put no resources in the ILB spot. That’s why it was so ****ing awful until Veach got here. For as much as Dorsey planned a year ahead with certain moves, he was dogshit as ILB

Fuller might be better in coverage too in regards to consistency. I’m not saying he will be, but I do believe he will be less susceptible to giving up big plays.

Yeah. Hopefully, we'll force more punts too.

Not comparable. Peters played against a lot of #1 receivers while Fuller played mostly in the slot and against some #2’s.

Did we though? Did we really? Because it seems to me that only got better at ILB.

It all depends on how you look at it. To me....Amerson is an upgrade over the shit that we put in the 2 and 3 CB slots last season. Yes, Fuller is a downgrade from Peters but we've yet to see how much of a downgrade that really is.

I think Amerson can be our Sean Smith from when we first signed him.

While Fuller isn’t as good as Peters, KC will get better consistency and not have to worry about him losing his shit at any critical moment of a game. Turnovers will not be as much but Fuller can take the ball away still. And ya Amerson is far superior than Gaines or Mitchell

Ben watson and celek

Think we can all agree that Berry coming back is an upgrade over not having him.
Kpass as our 3rd OLB>Zombo
Amerson is better than Gaines was last year
ILB better.

I think that for this year the game plan is to have a great offense with a defense that is “good enough”.

Suh canceled his visit with the Raiders according to Rapoport

He's going to sign with either the Rams or Saints.

Suh is a perfect fit for the Raiders.

Probably heard they were having dinner at PF Changs.

The improvement at ILB and DL should be what they look at to cure the Run game probs.

Still need another DL but the dude from Arizona will help.

Saw that he was visiting the Rams... good Lord, they'll set a new record for points 'not' allowed if they sign him.

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Wilkerson would have been a nice addition. Same with Hankins but they probably don't have the cash to do that.

I still think Eric Reid would be an ideal fit at safety for them.

Jimmy Haslam is at USCs pro day to watch Darnold throw. Sitting with the dudes parents. I think he's the guy at #1.

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Yeah, I'm thinking they've been locked in on Darnold for a while.

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They are going to put up historic numbers if they land Suh and keep Donald.

I still think they will put Aaron Donald on the market if they sign Suh.

Did Peters really mostly play against #1 receivers? I haven’t looked at any stats but as he only played one side I would be surprised if he lined up against a #1 more than 50% of the time?

Only when they lined up on his side.

With the dumpster fire we had on the other side it made no sense for teams to line up their #1 against him...

That was exactly my thinking.

What does that have to do with what I said?

Everything I stated was in regards to the future, not what they have already done.

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Local radio in LA reporting that Suh is canceling his prev agreed upon trip to Oakland to meet with the Raiders. Suggests that he will indeed be a Ram.

Wish we had that defense!

keyshawn Johnson was there as well, he jumped on the radio afterward and sang extremely high praise for him. Saying that he is the clear #1 pick after today's performance in the pooring rain at USC.

Suh cancels his Raiders Visit...

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I'd still pick our offense, over that defense tbh. The fact is Peters and Donald are gonna wanna get paid very shortly. Talib is getting old as well so even If Suh goes there, It will not be a fairytale that lasts too long. Oh, and Joyner just got tagged too so they are under the pump with him also.

People might forget that Robert Quinn and Ogletree are no longer Rams. Trumaine Johnson is no longer a Rams either but I understand that he was replaced with better.

Even if they sign Suh, I'd be really surprised if they were to be as good as the Jags defense last year.

Peters is very nice but Talib is getting at that age where a CB can fall off a cliff anytime.

Their LBs are nothing out of this world.

They will have a good defense but I don't know about that defense being the very best in the league or even close.

Someone will be along to tell you HOW great their Safeties are in one minute XD........

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Suh, or no Suh, I don't see how they'll be able to cope with our offense tbh. Peters and Talib are not gonna be able to run with Reek and Sammy. And If old boy Wade tries to double them then Kelce is gonna help himself to a three course meal. Should be a good little battle In Mexico ;) .

So still possible to get Reid or Boston? Cool. E.J Gaines is still lurking out there too btw and I think he's worth looking at.

Would be happy not to see him in the AFC West. BTW, I can see the Rams trading Donald if they get Suh. Donald wants to be paid as the best player in the NFL (rightly so?) and his contract is up after 2018. Rams have about $35M in cap space currently.

You shut your mouth! CP has told me we have no money left!

The Rams aren't trading Donald. They've got that big stadium opening and they've got plenty of money.

Man, Veach has done a great job with the money this offseason. Wish they could have nabbed Fuller, would have been an A+.

Still could bring in a DT or two and have plenty of cash

Well....it's about as close to having no money left that you can get before having no money left

If that's not including the draft pool, we're pretty much done.

This.

The draft as it sits will add less than 650k to the cap. We have room for a few more moves.

This team is not signing reid, another anthem kneeler. The last one got run out of town by the farm folk.

Chiefs need 5.1m to draft so they got maybe 2m at best

Which last one? Kelce, Hunt and Conley? :D

Where are you coming up with 5.1m to draft?

But the drafted player salaries take the place of the salaries on the bottom of the top 51, so basically every player drafted takes a different players 500k off the books.

I think it's fairly easy to do a great job with current money. The trick is to do it while also doing a great job with the money a few years down the road.

And that 5.1 million is also including the first round pick we dont have anymore .

I thought the same but click on Chiefs it has it at 5.1 with all our picks

I will check that out.

You understand what iean about the top 51 though right?

Only the top 51 count towards the cap. So when you bring a new player, someone elses salary falls off the counted cap.
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Great info in this link!

No it does not.
According to the link that ChiefsandO'sfan provided to OTC.
They show you two ways to figure the rookie pool.
One is that you can use ($480,000 x number of picks) = 3,840,000
You can do the math the long way and add up the value of each pick but you don't come up with the same number that OTC shows. Which is as follows
2cd - $901,468
3rd - $731,334 from the Skins
3rd - $690,095
4th - $640,687
4th - $638,761 from the Rams
6th - $518,622
7th - $499,228
7th - $497,345
Total $5,117,540

Either way we are still at $5.1 rookie pool that has to be held for the Salary Cap.

I just hope Veach will do good with the draft and the upcoming trade I am sure because when I look at this team, if we had kept Peters, the Chiefs would be so close to having a bully on both sides of the ball.

For some reason, I pretty much expect the same level of play from the Dline this season, even though Jones and Williams have the potential to give us better play than we had last year. This being said, I love the LBs group and I really hope the draft can give this team a strong secondary, which it absolutely can with a trade up for a top shelf CB prospect and a safety in the 3rd round.

True

I just like that they’re using the rookie qb pay and pressing in

Bagh! We can always just offer a large signing bonus and low salary. Seems like you can always work it out in football.