If Mizzou stays the Big 12 is going back to 12, if they leave its staying at 10.

Louisville, BYU, and WVU are all superior (and closer) options. They'd probably also rather have Cinci.

I get that, but why wouldn't they be candidates at least.

Iowa State
Kansas
K-State
Oklahoma
Louisville
BYU
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
West Virginia
South Florida
Central Florida
Memphis? Southern Miss? Boise State? Houston? SMU?

Don't really know a 16th team, and I know this would never happen, but I think it would be cool.

Candidates? OK, sure, they are candidates. However, unless the Big 12 decides to expand to 14 or 16, or unless a couple of the above better options says no, they will never progress to a serious stage.

Teams from Florida, Utah, Iowa, and West Virginia in the same conference sounds cool to you?

Morgantown to Provo is just a shade under a 4000 mile round trip.

Yep. That is the way things are heading. NYC to South FLA is pretty far too. W Virginia actually seems a little bit out of the way, but it's a great football program. I know the Big 12 has a different agenda than I do, but I would think that would be a fun conference.

Which in a 737 isnt really that bad...

How about in a bus?

4000 miles is about 70 hours by bus. That's a rough trip for the field hockey team.

That's why the Mountain West/C-USA thing was football only. That could be a real adventure with all the non-revenue sports.

Missouri kicks ass


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Gabe DeArmond is saying that 2 independent sources have both told him that the SEC move is imminent. Supposedly, there is a BOC meeting this week, and the withdrawl (he called it a conditional withdrawl) would be announced after the meeting.

Said that the timeline has been very carefully orchestrated by yhe SEC and MU for legal purposes. Take it FWIW. He's generally pretty measured, but he said that his source told him for the first time that the move is 100%.

Oh snap

Hope it's for real this time.

Hearing that Louisville expects to join if Mizzou leaves.

WE GONE.

Big 12 should just replace Mizzou with West Virginia or Louisville and stay at 10 teams. The round robin format is more interesting and provides more national respect for the teams that would be in a North division.

Looks like you're being about as productive as me today between CP and PM.

I was out of town the last four days for a wedding, need to make up for lost internet time.

I'd much rather have West Virginia than Louisville. Athletically they are superior to both Mizzou and Louisville.

Louisville wouldn't be a bad consolation prize I suppose.

I think WVU joins the SEC along with NC State to round out the conference at 16.

Superior is hyperbole; WVU is probably even with Mizzou in terms of overall football and basketball, with most of their football success under Rich Rodriguez. They've made a killing recruiting kids in SEC country that couldn't qualify at other schools, so it will be interesting to see how they do in the Big 12 with stiffer academic requirements.

I agree, WV would be an upgrade for the Big 12.

I also disagree that WVU is "superior" to Mizzou in football and basketball. Their football success has come from getting kids that don't qualify at other schools as you have stated, but also they have benefitted from playing in a weaker BE at least from a football standpoint. Mizzou has been a consistent 10 win team playing in the Big XII which was arguably the second toughest football conference. Had they played in the BE (like WVU) or the WAC/MWC (like Boise State), they too would have played in big money BCS games. They were good enough to play in BCS games in previous years, the problem was they never made it to them due to their inability to beat OU and UT. Now put Boise, WVU, UCONN, or TCU in the Big XII over the last 10 years or so and see how many BCS games they play in and put Mizzou in an AQ conference like the BE and see how many Mizzou has.

They would. I would like to see WVU, UoL (as a travel partner for WVU and for their strong BBall team) and one other come in to replace Mizzou if they leave and bring the conference back to 12. They can then do something like how the SEC does it with a permanent cross conference rival game. There is too much money in a Big XII Championship game not to go to 12.

West Virginia destroyed Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. :doh!:

They have 2 BCS bowl victories and a Final Four appearance in recent history.

But yeah, I could see how they are "even" with Mizzou.

ku beat Virginia Tech in an Orange Bowl a few years back too. Guess they are better. :doh!:

I have to admit, this new defense mechanism by ku and ksu fans is pretty hilarious.

"Mizzou will never get an SEC bid!!! hahaha"

then:

"Well.....Mizzou will get destroyed in the SEC!!! hahaha"

then:

"Umm......West Virginia is even BETTER than Mizzou!!! hahaha"

It doesn't really matter. Its unlikely they wind up in the Big XII.

Great song!

Yeah, five 9+ win seasons in the history of the program (including 1960 and 1969).

And as stated by someone else last week, they're a consistent top-25 team in FB and BB, even though both programs combined have finished a season in the top 25 only 5 times in the last 10 years.

lulz

Bearcat with a dose of reality as usual.

Rodriguez did a great job there, but outside of his run, it hasn't been a historically successful football program. Since he left they have become a borderline ranked team, playing in a pretty weak conference. It would be the best pickup for the Big 12 given the schools left over for sure though.

Everyone was wrapped up in travel distance arguments a few days ago related to Missouri and the SEC... What about the travel from Austin to Morgantown?

Defensive mechanism? In what measurable way is Mizzou "even" with West Virginia? I believe Mizzou's facilities are probably superior to WVU. Other than that, I just don't see it.

Outside of Gary Pinkel, Mizzou hasn't been a historically successful football program.

Yeah, probably not.

That is true, but the comment was related to WV being an upgrade. When you take revenue and travel into account they seem like a wash at best.

Of course it is a defense mechanism. Your wife just left you and you are trying to convince yourself that your new GF is even better, even though she's a stupid, fat hillbilly.

WVU racked up some nice wins and BCS appearances playing in a dogshit Big East and relying on players that wouldn't have been eligible in a major conference.

Ask Neinas if he'd rather have Mizzou or WVU. Hell, ask the SEC.

I thought it was KU fans who didn't pay attention to football until Sept 2007... :shrug:

God. There is nothing I hate more than "wife, ex-wife, girlfriend" references in conference realignment. They are misogynistic and stupid.

On a serious note, are the Big 12's academic requirements that much more strict than the Big East? I find that hard to believe.

Exactly, it would be much easier for the SEC to nab a team on the eastern side of their conferance and WVU made it clear they wanted to come to the party, but the SEC has shown their preference is Mizzou.

I know the 80's and 90's are fresh in everybody's mind but before that Mizzou was a pretty successful program. Missouri was right with Nebraska and Oklahoma until the 70s hit.

I could buy that. Travel wise, it is a pain in the ass to get to Charleston, WV from here.

Of course, Mizzou fans that travel (hahaha) will experience trips like that if they join the SEC.

I find it hilarious, personally.

fyp

Mizzou is AAU; WVU is one of the shittiest schools in the country. Apples and oranges.

It would be pretty dumb to travel to Charleston to see a football game :)

Yes, the Big East has very low across-the-board requirements. USF is another benefactor of the Big East's low football admission standards. They have taken a ton of Florida kids that could not get in at UF.

Gotta fly to Charleston to get to Morgantown, IIRC.

I drove to Huntington, WV to see Marshall - KSU. Never again.

I've seen some of the mental midgets K-State and KU bring in. It couldn't be much worse.

Oh wow, that bad.

Judging by your posts, you stopped paying attention shortly thereafter. WVU's program has been in decline without Richrod.

There is an airport in Morgantown, only United flies there. But yes, It would be difficult travel even for fan bases that do travel well.

I think the SEC might have a positive effect on travel. I know Missouri for whatever reason does not travel well traditionally, but perhaps the prospect of seeing your team play at one of these storied programs would interest people.

Like others have said, WV has found a sweet spot in a conference with low admissions standards and conducive to piling up good records in football, and they had a great coach. The right next step for them is to try to move up. But it definitely remains to be seen if they could duplicate this success in an academically better conference.

I think they would be a good replacement for Missouri because it would persevere about the same football respectability for the Big 12. There are no Nebraksas out there, so its still down, but this would help keep things alive.

I've made posts about WVU?

This whole thing is boring now.

Only because you haven't made your own super conference yet.

Try it. The possibilities are endless.

1. Mizzou beat OU last year, but could they do it consistently? Just because WVU beat OU in a bowl game does not mean that year in and year out they beat OU if they played in the same conference. Especially if they couldn't get some of the players they currently get because they would be academically unqualified in the Big XII. Boise also beat OU in a bowl game. Could they do it consistently in the Big XII?

2. Put Mizzou in the BE and see how many BCS bowl appearances or BCS wins they have. Again they probably would have beaten VT the year KU did had they played them. They did not get that bowl because of their inability to (again) beat OU. They would have had another BCS bowl bid last year had they been in the BE, instead it went to a crappy UCONN team. Would they have won? Who knows. Heck Boise beat OU when no one thought they could. I am not saying Mizzou is on the level of an Alabama, Florida, or USC but I would put them at the same level as WVU. Conference affiliation has alot to do with the two schools bowl appearances and success.

3. On the BBall front, good point and I stand corrected.

I will make all the teams magnets on my fridge and just go crazy with it.

You could also use this little toy: http://res.dallasnews.com/graphics/2011_09/realignment/

You can screenshot and post whatever you come up with.

Fun!

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lol, Texas A&M looks so stupid.

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aTm.... LMAO What can one say?

Want to get away from UT in such a big way, yet still want to keep the game vs UT?

Dodds says "Thanks but no thanks".

A&M is on its way to becoming SMU.

It comes so close to making perfect sense until you get to the last few teams.

I'm on a mobile, so I can't screenshot it, but I got this far:

Mizzou, aTm, WVU, and NC State to the SEC.

Texas, Tech, OU, oSu to the PAC

Rutgers and Notre Dame to the B1G

That puts 16 teams in the SEC and PAC, 14 in the B1G, and 13 in the ACC. That's where it gets tricky. I could see the ACC adding Cincy, Louisville, and UCONN to get to 16.

At that point, I sent Houston, Boise, BYU, USF, SMU to the Big XII with ISI, KU, KSU, Baylor, and TCU.

I just don't see how the B1G gets to 16. KU would be a decent choice for 15. That would leave them taking KSU, ISU, BYU, or a Texas school, and none of those are great fits. For that reason, I could see the B1G stopping at 14. I could also see the ACC stopping at 14 and sending Cincy and Louisville to the Big XII.

The 4 big conferences could all have conference championship games which would essentially be the first round of the playoffs. From there, you have a 4 team tourney.

Not a bad plan.

In a scenario where the SEC adds nobody, the Big XII keeps MU, adds BYU and WVU, and kicks ISU out of the conference, aTm looks a little silly, I guess. Then again, a lot of things look silly when you are tripping balls, and that's the only way you can come up with that alignment.

Has the homecoming announcement of MU leaving the Big 12 been made public yet?

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:)

LMAO

Hilarious how petty and vindictive Team Bevo is. UT's not used to any of its hoes stepping out of line.

It will be hilarious when UT comes back to the table in about three years after Jerry Jones offers each them a few mill to play annually at JerryWorld.

Was that even a rumor? I've followed this as closely as anyone, and I didn't see anyone say that was likely. A few people hoped for it, myself included, but nobody predicted it. I'd like it if we left today, but I'm not predicting that, either.

Yeah, I think you expressed your hope for it right around the same time you claimed you don't like to support your team unless they're playing in a marquee match up.

;)

I see what you did there.

The envy & jealousy is palpable from the KU & KSU posters. You guys will land on your feet when Bevo decides to move to a prettier girl.

I think it's more MU fans just expecting envy to be there. What is there to be envious about at this point? As long as B12 is alive, KU and KSU fans are happy. Personally, I'd be a little envious if you guys got an invite from the B10, other than that... meh.

If we can replace you with L'ville/WVU, it'll just be icing on the cake. :thumb:

I would be crushed if we wound up in the B1G instead of the SEC. The Corndogs can have their junior membership. SEC or bust.

Of course it is... some MU fans are practically demanding it, so I can see why your mind would spin every post from a KU or KSU fan into envy and jealousy.

If someone could just let me know what I'm supposed to be jealous about... :shrug:

I've watched the SEC for years and love SEC football, but there's no way in hell I'd want to watch KU football get slaughtered every week. If it gets to a point that KU is going to the MVC, then sure, I'd be jealous of every team that found a new/better home.... MU, Nebraska, Colorado, A&M. I'd hate to watch KU in the Big Ten, and they don't really fit geographically with anyone else, so hopefully the Big 12 survives, because I'd much rather watch tournament games in KC than Atlanta or wherever. So, outside of being completely left out of a competitive conference.... meh. :shrug:

As long as B12 is viable, it's by far my #1 choice.

Too bad I can only rep this once