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bango 06-12-2010 02:52 PM

The MWC shouldn't be the one picking up the pieces of the Big XII. That is rather backwards. Everyone left should stick around, and start taking the few good schools from the minor cons. The Pac 10 is not going to allow Tex to do to their league what they have done in the past. They will be an equal player. They'll be a great addition, but at what price? The Big Nine should kick Texas out, and start trying to expand. The Big East should do the same exact thing, and split from the schools that do not have football instead of waiting until the Big Ten, ACC, and SEC raid them until their is not enough left over to keep Notre Dame around.

007 06-12-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6816785)
Welcome to the MWC. Get used to it.

Not sure why you all are mad. If the MWC gets KU, KSU, and MU it instantly becomes a power conference. It's already the best mid major football and basketball conference.

It's not that I'm mad. I just don't get why it is the only conference we are hearing about. I can't believe that there are not more irons in the fire for both our schools. I would also think that KU would have bigger aspirations than settling on the MWC.

I know I am belittling a conference I know little about but mid major is not where Kansas should be.

HolyHandgernade 06-12-2010 02:57 PM

I was skimming the A&M boards and if the mood there reflects the official A&M position, I see A&M going to the SEC. They are furious at Texas and their "arm bending" tactics reportedly trying to coerce A&M into the PAC. The actual board seems evenly split at this time, but if sentiment breaks the tie, I think it is the SEC's gain.

vailpass 06-12-2010 02:57 PM

QUOTE=BWillie007;6816771]2009 3-9
2008 5-7
2007 6-7
2006 2-10
2005 7-6
2004 8-5
2003 5-7[/QUOTE]


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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6816778)
Hyperbole alert. Hyperbole alert.

:D Sorry guys, I didn't mean to go overboard and don't want to offend anyone with Kansas ties. Like I said, I hear P10 talk all day on the radio and their slant is that CU has a much more solid football program than KU and that CU is also stronger in academics than KU.
Of course opinions can vary although if football and academics are not reasons the P10 selected CU and not KU then what do you believe their reasoning was?

Old Dog 06-12-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass
Of course opinions can vary although if football and academics are not reasons the P10 selected CU and not KU then what do you believe their reasoning was?

Denver media market maybe???

Buck 06-12-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 6816790)
It's not that I'm mad. I just don't get why it is the only conference we are hearing about. I can't believe that there are not more irons in the fire for both our schools. I would also think that KU would have bigger aspirations than settling on the MWC.

I know I am belittling a conference I know little about but mid major is not where Kansas should be.

The MWC is arguably better at football than the Pac 10, ACC, and Big East and it's better at basketball than the Pac 10.

HolyHandgernade 06-12-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6816792)
QUOTE=BWillie007;6816771]2009 3-9
2008 5-7
2007 6-7
2006 2-10
2005 7-6
2004 8-5
2003 5-7




:D Sorry guys, I didn't mean to go overboard and don't want to offend anyone with Kansas ties. Like I said, I hear P10 talk all day on the radio and their slant is that CU has a much more solid football program than KU and that CU is also stronger in academics than KU.
Of course opinions can vary although if football and academics are not reasons the P10 selected CU and not KU then what do you believe their reasoning was?[/QUOTE]

Denver market, previous flirtations, geography.

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6816792)
:D Sorry guys, I didn't mean to go overboard and don't want to offend anyone with Kansas ties. Like I said, I hear P10 talk all day on the radio and their slant is that CU has a much more solid football program than KU and that CU is also stronger in academics than KU.
Of course opinions can vary although if football and academics are not reasons the P10 selected CU and not KU then what do you believe their reasoning was?

Nah, I think CU is stronger academically, but I don't see it as a stark difference. Though CU folks might fancy themselves as Cal-Berk lite, they're not.

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6816785)
Welcome to the MWC. Get used to it.

Not sure why you all are mad. If the MWC gets KU, KSU, and MU it instantly becomes a power conference. It's already the best mid major football and basketball conference.

The MWC can suck it.

And why would KU/MU folks be mad? Because, largely, the institutions that make up the MWC are third-tier.

vailpass 06-12-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by truebigdog (Post 6816797)
Denver media market maybe???

Reports I hear say football, the Denver media market and academics but there are posts here saying Denver media market holds no advantage over Kansas.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-12-2010 03:22 PM

Anything new, or are we still "jerkin' our gherkin's" up in here?

007 06-12-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6816814)
The MWC can suck it.

And why would KU/MU folks be mad? Because, largely, the institutions that make up the MWC are third-tier.

Maybe KU should pull a Texas on them.

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 6816818)
Maybe KU should pull a Texas on them.

I would stop thinking about the MWC immediately. Worst-case scenario, KU is in the Big East.

No worries.

vailpass 06-12-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6816814)
The MWC can suck it.

And why would KU/MU folks be mad? Because, largely, the institutions that make up the MWC are third-tier.

Exactamundo. MWC is the booby prize.

007 06-12-2010 03:27 PM

Wonder if this means that KC is done hosting conference tournaments now.

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 6816824)
Wonder if this means that KC is done hosting conference tournaments now.

Yeah, that's the real victim in all of this.

KC will need to start hosting "neutral site" games for the three area schools. These could be cool events, but it's never going to be quite the same.

KcMizzou 06-12-2010 03:34 PM

LMAO The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)

BWillie 06-12-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6816799)
The MWC is arguably better at football than the Pac 10, ACC, and Big East and it's better at basketball than the Pac 10.

No, no they aren't. The ACC and Big East aren't good, but usually are better than the MWC. Especially in perception as well, and perception is more important than in actuality.

Most people would concede that the ACC is almost always better than the Big East, and the Big East has been much better in football in recent years. Last year the Big East was 4-2 in bowls and I think beat some SEC teams. ACC was 2-3 and played formidable in losses. The MWC is the last resort for any teams in the Big 12. Alot of fans like KSU are already conceding to the MWC, but I really do think they might be able to play off their recent basketball success and get into a Big East/Conf Usa/Big 12 North merger of some sort.

Reaper16 06-12-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6816834)
LMAO The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)

wowowowowowow

vailpass 06-12-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6816834)
LMAO The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)

Holy shit that was funny. That site seems like a pretty loose bunch of posters not holding anything back.

KcMizzou 06-12-2010 03:41 PM

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shakesthecat 06-12-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6816834)
LMAO The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)


That's f'in awesome!

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-12-2010 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6816834)
LMAO The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)

LMAO Rep.

Mr. Laz 06-12-2010 04:25 PM

douche on espn(never heard his name before) just basically said Pac-10 for the rest of the Big-12 south and MWC for everyone else.

said the Big-10 no longer wants Mizzou and the Pac-10 would take pretty much every other option before KU.

prolly an east coast media guy so he doesn't count for much

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 04:27 PM

He repeated the "MWC has interest in KU, KSU, MU" line.

Translation: He's got nothing.

KChiefs1 06-12-2010 05:46 PM

Just got this emailed to me by a staunch MU donor so take it for what it is worth, which is unknown at this time but it does seem plausible:

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First off, I am going on record as stating Mizzou will be in the Big Ten by July 1. 2010 and will begin conference play in 2011.

The Big Ten targeted the two most valuable football schools they thought they could lure...Notre Dame and Texas.

Texas revealed how to get them moving was for Nebraska to leave the Big XII. The Big Ten working with the Pac 10 due to their long term alliances began plotting. Both leagues knew one or the other had to get Texas.

It was common knowledge that Colorado wanted to go to the Pac 10 and would immediately accept an invite. The P10 (&B10), wanting to debase Texas' powerplay, issued an invite to Colorado and it as known it was quickly accepted.

Texas quickly tried to force the P10 into a five team deal. The P10 wasn't going give Texas leverage. The P10 nor B10 want Baylor, KSU or Texas Tech. OKState was a low priority but to keep Texas from gaining leverage, they have a P10 invite in hand.

This opened the door for the Big Ten to call Texas' bluff by offering Nebraska. The play here by both the P10 and B10 is force Texas into giving up their media rights. Texas had already stated to the Big XII that they would never - ever - do that. Texas also stated the conference could not exist without Nebraska - so now what do they do? If they want into the Pac 10 or Big Ten, they either enter under the terms these conferences lay out or they remain in a dying, vulnerable Big XII.

Texas' hand has been forced and their power has been diminished. Texas responds by 'shopping' themselves to the P10,B10 and SEC but none of them will let Texas make the rules or have control. I believe the real play here is to split the Texas schools up so that they cannot align together to control the new conference(s) they enter.

Now, there are several schools that are coattailers...Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and due to their connection to KSU, Kansas.

There are some key schools that are in great position moving forward with Missouri being one of them.

The P10 & B10 want to control the landscape. They both want Texas but will let the chips fall where they may. The P10 also wants Oklahoma. I also believe that the P10 would like to end up with Utah to keep Senator Hatch off their back. If the P10 can play this out, they will add Colorado, Utah, OK, OKst, Texas and Kansas.

The B10 is banking that ND sees the light. I think the B10 might consider inviting ND but let them remain a football indy until their current television deal expires in 2015. I am betting that there are buyouts in the deal and that ND enters league play in football in either 2012 or 2013 at the latest. The B10 would then forge ahead to add three more teams. Those teams will be Missouri, Rutgers and Maryland. Those teams will begin league play in 2011 along with Nebraska and ND (except FB). IF the NBC/ND buyout is small enough or if the B10 can workout an agreement to permit some of the big games to be on NBC, then ND enters league play in 2011.

Kansas and Utah to an extent are the most vulnerable in this scenario. If Texas truly has a 'Tech' problem and has to take them with, then KU is the odd man out. KU and Utah are both out if A&M backs out on the SEC and goes with Texas and the 'Tech' problem to the P10. I could also see A&M being forced to take Tech with them to the SEC.

I truly believe that the P10 and B10 both desire Texas but with the fewest number of other Texas teams as possible.

In the end, the B10 and P10 have controlled this whole situation and have masterfully played out the game. By July 1, Missouri will be in the B10 and Kansas in the P10. The border war will continue with both the basketball and football games being played in Kansas City. Can you imagine a Rose Bowl of Mizzou vs Kansas?

WilliamTheIrish 06-12-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6816402)
nobody that i know of ever said it was the law, you moron

it's was and still is up to the Kansas Board of Regents

and what has changed is that people are getting desperate about either school ending up in a BCS conference.

I still think that KBOR will push for keeping KU/KSU together up to the point where neither gets in and then they will let them split up.

There was only one person in this thread that jumped on that talking point:

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Originally Posted by metro
Or maybe you're just an ignorant dumbass unaware of Kansas legislature preventing the schools from being split into different conferences, kind of like Texas and TAMU. That's a non issue, though, because Kansas was never in the discussion for B10. I have no idea who, where or when ever said that was the reason KU isn't going to the B10.


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Originally Posted by WTI
Second time I've seen this posted. Can anybody cite the legislative act that states this?


kstater 06-12-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 6817030)
Just got this emailed to me by a staunch MU donor so take it for what it is worth, which is unknown at this time but it does seem plausible:

LMAO

Al Bundy 06-12-2010 05:55 PM

AT&T doesn't have the Mountain Network.

Mr. Laz 06-12-2010 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6817036)
There was only one person in this thread that jumped on that talking point:

actually texas does have legislature about it, i believe.

if Kansas does then i'm not aware of it.

BUT .... KBOR holds the money stick and "just about" has a law for it.


of course, any school who wants to turn down state funding, can tell the regents to lick their anus.

KChiefs1 06-12-2010 06:22 PM

Great piece by Joe Posnanski on the demise of the old Big Eight foes of MU, KU & NU:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/06/10/the-big-zero/

Quote:

First, a quick review.

The Big Eight Conference was started by four universities in 1907 — Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska and, this may surprise you, Washington University in St. Louis.

Of course, they didn’t call it the Big Eight Conference then. They called it the Big Five — five because Iowa was simultaneously part of this conference and the conference that would become the Big Ten.

Just a year later, two more schools joined in (Drake and Iowa State) and people called it the Big Seven Conference.

Iowa decided it really needed to pick one conference and chose the future Big Ten in 1911.

So it became the Big Six Conference.

Kansas State joined in 1913, making it the Big Seven again.

Nebraska left for a couple of years — apparently wanted to explore the world, find itself — but Grinnell College jumped on in so the conference was still called the Big Seven.

Then Oklahoma joined in making it the Big Eight for the first time.

Nebraska came back refreshed, and it was the Big Nine.

Oklahoma A&M — later to be Oklahoma State– came in for a three years, making it the Big Ten — but not the real Big Ten.

That couldn’t last.

Then in 1928, Washington, Grinnell, Drake and Oklahoma A&M all bolted to start the Missouri Valley Conference. And days later, the NCAA basketball selection committee spurned the conference by taking a 17-win Virginia team over the MVC regular-season champ, leading Dick Vitale and Billy Packer to praise the committee for its insight. OK, no, that didn’t happen — not for many years, anyway.

That left six teams in the conference, and it would be called, somewhat feebly, the Big Six Conference for 30 years.

Big Six.

Leaves you kind of cold, doesn’t it?

It really doesn’t seem like a conference can be all that big with six teams in it. But apparently they did not want to cede the “Big” adjective to the Big Ten, though in retrospect it would have been kind of cool if they would have called themselves “The Mighty Six” or the “The Magnificent Six” or “The Ginormous Six.” Whatever the name, rivalries built up in those 30 years. Nebraska and Oklahoma fans learned to despise each other (“Your state is so … kind of … like our state!”). Kansas and Missouri fans had long before learned to despise each other; that rivalry going back to before the Civil War. Kansas State and Iowa State brought some Midwestern toughness through the Dust Bowl years.

Conferences were built for convenience and for money — that has never changed — but the Big Six schools seemed to fit together, there was a cohesion of spirit and similarity of purpose.

In 1948, Colorado jumped into the conference, and it was called the Big Seven. In 1958, Oklahoma State came back … and it was the Big Eight Conference for 38 more years.

When you are a major sports conference for that long, you will create a lot of great moments. It’s just natural. And the Big Eight had its share.

There was the Game of the Century, the classic football game between Oklahoma and Nebraska in 1971. There was the NCAA basketball championship game in Kansas City — the home of the Big Eight for all those years — between Oklahoma and Kansas. There was the fifth down game between Colorado and Missouri — classic in its own way. Oklahoma football won 47 games in a row. Jim Ryun and his Kansas teammates set world records in track. It’s always hard to say where things were INVENTED, but the NBA’s Triangle Offense was more or less perfected at Kansas State when Tex Winter coached there, and the football option play was more or less perfected at Nebraska and Oklahoma, and big-time basketball recruiting was taken to a new level when Kansas recruited Wilt Chamberlain.

And so on.

But, sadly, great moments are not why college conferences are put together. Rivalries are not why conferences are put together. Innovation, history, passion, tradition, cohesion, education — none of these are why conferences are put together. Oh, sure, it is nice to have all those things. Everybody wants those things. But in the end, conferences are like most other things. They are about maximizing revenue. It’s expensive to run an athletic department. It’s expensive to run a college. And the pressure to win sends the costs skyward. There’s an intense pressure to keep up, and to keep up you always need money, more money, even more money. For years, that meant teaming up with those schools who could excite the fan base and help draw the biggest crowds to football games (and, to a lesser extent, basketball games). Then, television came along and changed the formula.

The Big Eight Conference officially became the Big 12 Conference in 1996.

There was a feeling among Big Eight leaders — and also the leaders of the old Southwest Conference — that the old way just didn’t work anymore.

This was especially apparent to the Southwest Conference people; they were facing an immediate and crushing crisis. The long history of the Southwest Conference is not so different from the Big Eight; for many years there were nine schools (eight of them in Texas), and they played great football and built great rivalries and gave the country numerous sports innovations such as the wishbone. But in the 1980s, the conference developed this reputation as a renegade place where boosters in tall cowboy hats bought Cadillacs for every high school football star within 500 miles. SMU was smacked with the death penalty in 1987.

Arkansas — the only non-Texas school in the conference — bolted for the SEC in 1991.

Something had to give and everybody knew it. The Southwest Conference was not going to make it.

The Big Eight, though, was not in the same sort of immediate trouble.

The Big Eight people instead were looking down the road. How long could the conference compete for dollars with the SEC and Big Ten and Pac-10 and all those? They didn’t know. Television revenue is everything in sports, and while Nebraska was football-dominant and Oklahoma was still Oklahoma, well, there aren’t that many television sets in Nebraska or Oklalhoma. Or Kansas. Or Iowa. Not one of those states, even now, has four million people in it. Missouri provided an in to the St. Louis market, and Colorado offered Denver, and Kansas-Missouri more or less split Kansas City, but that was pretty much it for even relatively major television markets.

And, let’s face it, none of those are a Top 10 market.

The SEC has Atlanta.

The Big 10 has Chicago and Detroit.

The Pac-10 has Los Angeles.

The Big East was put together, in many ways, to get on the television sets of Washington and New York and Boston and Philadelphia. You can oversimplify things, of course, because there are always multiple reasons for things.

But the Big Eight needed televisions.

And the drowning Southwest Conference offered television sets. In particular, Texas offered television sets. Dallas is the No. 7 television market in America. Houston is the No. 10 television market in America.

Yes, Texas was a prize for any conference. And so, after many closed-door negotiations, the Big Eight invited Texas and three others — Baylor, Texas Tech and Texas A&M — to join. Or anyway, that was the headline:

“Big Eight Expands Into Big 12.”

Only, it probably wasn’t really like that. The Big Eight offices — in Kansas City since 1907 — shut their doors and moved to Dallas. The first Big 12 commissioner — Steve Hatchell — was more or less hand picked by Texas.

This wasn’t the case of the Big Eight expanding. There was no more Big Eight anymore. The conference was built for television sets. And Texas had the most television sets. An uneasy truce began.

Texas found its groove again while in the Big 12. Sports at Texas had been sagging a bit. But under the Big 12 umbrella, Texas football dominated again and the entire athletic department grew and prospered. Other schools had their surges. Kansas State football, under the watchful eye of Bill Snyder, pulled off the greatest turnaround in college football history and in 1998 was a fumble away from the national championship game. Oklahoma football, in the wilderness for a little while, regained its power. Missouri and Kansas played a titanic game for the No. 1 spot in the rankings. Baylor’s women’s basketball team won a national title. Kansas won its first national basketball title since the crescendo of Big Eight basketball in 1988. And all that.

But the conference has never felt like a conference. It has always felt like two conferences — North and South — and there was always a lot of resentment between the two. The North teams have long felt, not without reason, that the conference was being controlled by Texas. The South teams have long felt, not without reason, that the North teams were holding them back. Such are the politics of the Super Conference.

Of course, North-South tensions are just another by-product of the biggest factor. The biggest factor is money — and the simple truth is that even with all those Texas television sets, there’s simply more television money to be made per school in the Big Ten and Pac-10 and SEC. The latest numbers indicate that Big 12 schools made $8-to-$12 million this year in television money. The Big Ten will pay its schools closer to $20 million.

The Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has been doing his best George Bailey in the Building & Loan speech — running around from school to school, promising a better television deal, asking everyone to just tighten their belts and hang in there, because better days are coming (“Aw, Tom, just enough to tide you over ’til the bank reopens!”). It’s no wonder that time ran out on that pipe dream. A few months ago, the first rumors began of Missouri going to the Big Ten. Then, the rumors changed course and suddenly it seemed that the Big Ten might want Missouri but it REALLY wanted Nebraska. And then the Pac-10 began courting Texas and whoever the Longhorns wanted to bring along for the ride.

And now, it looks like we can pull up a chair and watch the Big 12 implode.

Colorado has already run off to join the Pac-10. Nebraska could join the Big Ten as early as Friday. Texas and its merry band of schools figure to bolt soon after that. Missouri officials will wait impatiently by the phone.

And the Big 12, after only a few years of uneasy competition, will join the Big Eight in the ether of dead sports conferences.

It’s strange to say that greed is what will kill the Big 12 since, after all, it was greed that built the Big 12 in the first place. Greed has always helped shape our sports landscape and I suppose it always will. And, so, there are winners and losers.

Nebraska will be a big winner.

Texas, no doubt, will be a big winner.

And then there will be losers — there’s a lot of talk around my parts about the potentially orphaned programs, particularly Kansas, and what will happen to them. I don’t know. Kansas basketball is obviously one of the greatest college sports programs in America. But football drives revenue. Television drives revenue. And history doesn’t pay the bills. Kansas — like Kansas State and Iowa State, and Missouri is not out of the woods yet — will have to fight for its place in the landscape.

That place could be in a much smaller conference. Sure, there will be losers here. There will be heartbroken fans.

There were those things when the Southwest Conference broke up too. This isn’t new — you can go back 100 years and see schools leaving conferences and getting dumped out of conferences. But, somehow, this feels new. I remember the first year of the Big 12 and the pride of the leaders who really thought they were discovering new lands and building the sports conference of the future.

The irony is: They might have been right.

They did invent a conference of the future.

Trouble is, the future waits for no one.

WilliamTheIrish 06-12-2010 06:34 PM

Loved the George Bailey reference.

KcMizzou 06-12-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6817107)
Loved the George Bailey reference.

perfect

Sure-Oz 06-12-2010 07:06 PM

GabeDeArmond

Okla meets with PAC-10, UT probably gone, A&M making googly eyes at the SEC...Big 12 in its final hours less than a minute ago via web

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 07:14 PM

Mustang this is Voodoo 1. We are totally defensive.

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 07:21 PM

MU curators to meet tomorrow:

"Adding another layer of suspense to this story, after yesterday’s session, the Board of Curators called for a special closed meeting scheduled for 8 p.m. tomorrow in Columbia, though some board members will participate via teleconference. The school’s news release did not specify what the board would be discussing, and two campus officials declined to elaborate on the agenda."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...ash-positions/

Jerm 06-12-2010 07:35 PM

Alden, Deaton, and whoever else had better get their collective asses in gear and be proactive...hell everyone is.

This "we're proud members of the Big XII" shit needs to stop...the conference is dead, they know it, we know, and everyone else knows it, time to move on and find a new home.

Frazod 06-12-2010 07:36 PM

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MU curators to meet tomorrow:

"Adding another layer of suspense to this story, after yesterday’s session, the Board of Curators called for a special closed meeting scheduled for 8 p.m. tomorrow in Columbia, though some board members will participate via teleconference. The school’s news release did not specify what the board would be discussing, and two campus officials declined to elaborate on the agenda."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...ash-positions/

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FloridaMan88 06-12-2010 07:43 PM

KU or Mizzou should hire Dictator Carl as a consultant... you need someone to play dirty during this process and the Dictator can cock punch with the best of them.

KC Jones 06-12-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6817176)
KU or Mizzou should hire Dictator Carl as a consultant... you need someone to play dirty during this process and the Dictator can cock punch with the best of them.

I think you meant Karl right? As in Karl Rove?

No way in hell would I want Peterson's ego causing further damage to any such situation.

BWillie 06-12-2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 6817030)
Just got this emailed to me by a staunch MU donor so take it for what it is worth, which is unknown at this time but it does seem plausible:

Oh god, that scenario sounds awesome. But it's probably just a bunch of BS for speculation. But it makes sense.

Frazod 06-12-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones (Post 6817182)
I think you meant Karl right? As in Karl Rove?

No way in hell would I want Peterson's ego causing further damage to any such situation.

Honestly, we need a lying, cheating, scheming, horrible, Machiavellian prick, because it seems like that's exactly what everybody else has.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-12-2010 08:18 PM

Even if it's just a "okay, guys", I like the MU B10/ KU P10 scenario.

Mr. Laz 06-12-2010 08:29 PM

so the Big-10 and the Pac-10 worked together to dismantle the Big-12.


no way

Mr. Laz 06-12-2010 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6817176)
KU or Mizzou should hire Dictator Carl as a consultant... you need someone to play dirty during this process and the Dictator can cock punch with the best of them.

carl peterson was only tough when he was picking on someone. When faced with someone even remotely equal he started stomping his feet and crying like a bitch.

HonestChieffan 06-12-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6817193)
Honestly, we need a lying, cheating, scheming, horrible, Machiavellian prick, because it seems like that's exactly what everybody else has.

Alden seems to fit the role of weasel.

ArrowheadHawk 06-12-2010 09:32 PM

So current rumors are pointing KU to PAC10. :thumb: It will probably be Big East rumors tomorrow.

Mr_Tomahawk 06-12-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6817276)
So current rumors are pointing KU to PAC10. :thumb: It will probably be Big East rumors tomorrow.

I am fine with this.

KCwolf 06-12-2010 09:50 PM

[QUOTE=KChiefs1;6817090]Great piece by Joe Posnanski on the demise of the old Big Eight foes of MU, KU & NU:



Extremely solid article. :clap:

kepp 06-12-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 6816346)
I hope MU goes to the Big Ten. It would be a good fit for them. I was just butthurt earlier this month, when all of the MUrons were gloating and KU didn't have a pot to piss in.

This seems to be changing, Thank God. lol.

You know...after all these years you'd think we'd know better. Something ALWAYS happens.

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 09:58 PM

If I'm handicapping the race right now:

KU:
Pac 10: 15%
Big East: 80%
SEC: 5%

MU:
Big 10: 40%
Big East: 50%
SEC: 10%

KSU:
Big East: 50%
MWC: 50%

kepp 06-12-2010 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6817193)
Honestly, we need a lying, cheating, scheming, horrible, Machiavellian prick, because it seems like that's exactly what everybody else has.

I hear Lew Perkins will be available in short order.

luv 06-12-2010 10:13 PM

Less than 200 posts in this thread in the last 24 hours. Man, you all are losing your bursts!

Saulbadguy 06-12-2010 10:14 PM

If possible, the Big XII should be pilfering the MWC schools it wants. Even if it was only KSU, KU, Missouri, Baylor and Iowa State...add 7 schools from the MWC and we still have a BCS bid.

Frazod 06-12-2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6817301)
I hear Lew Perkins will be available in short order.

Obviously he'd be a step up.

DeezNutz 06-12-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6817308)
If possible, the Big XII should be pilfering the MWC schools it wants. Even if it was only KSU, KU, Missouri, Baylor and Iowa State...add 7 schools from the MWC and we still have a BCS bid.

I don't think that's even a possibility. That conference is expanding and operating from a position of strength. At this point, the Big XII is literally the Titanic.

No matter how fancy the facade, it's ****ing sinking.

chiefqueen 06-12-2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6817046)
AT&T doesn't have the Mountain Network.

Neither does Time Warner.

WildTurkey 06-12-2010 10:35 PM

Read this on twitter a few min ago

"RCJBlog: RT @BasketballTimes: Breaking news: Texas A&M has voted to join the SEC
*unofficial"

http://www.twitter.com/RCJBlog/status/16051433069

KCChiefsMan 06-12-2010 10:48 PM

why in the hell is the Big 12 just exploding all of the sudden? I know I'm behind in the news, but now the fate of KU, MU and KSU is in Texas' hands? wut?

I need to catch up on this nonsense.

Titty Meat 06-12-2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6817308)
If possible, the Big XII should be pilfering the MWC schools it wants. Even if it was only KSU, KU, Missouri, Baylor and Iowa State...add 7 schools from the MWC and we still have a BCS bid.

ROFL

KChiefs1 06-12-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6817185)
Oh god, that scenario sounds awesome. But it's probably just a bunch of BS for speculation. But it makes sense.

You'd have no problems with KU road games starting at 9pm CT?

KChiefs1 06-12-2010 11:39 PM

http://newsok.com/article/3468314#ixzz0qhyruKHZ

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Joe Castiglione sounded down the other night when we talked. Really down.

Maybe it's the 16-hour days required when your conference has hit an iceberg and your school's future sits squarely on your shoulders.

But Castiglione sounded grim not from fatigue, but from regret. Regret that the Big 12 was endangered, and salvation seemed near impossible. Joe C. talked bravely that he would fight on to try and save the league he helped found as the Mizzou athletic director and helped dominate as the Oklahoma AD.

I wish we had been speaking in person. Not to offer him a comforting hand on the shoulder, but to shake some sense into him.

Save this shipwreck of a conference? Why on turf would anyone want to do that?

A 10-team league, down from 12 and missing one of its three marquee members, trying to stay together after all the backbiting and threats and ultimatums? Ask Texas Tech and Oklahoma State to give up their life rafts to help out Missouri, whose governor took pot shots at their academic standing?

Try to keep these 10 schools together, knowing several will remain hot tickets on the conference market? Think about keeping the doors open, knowing a Texas or an Oklahoma or an A&M could bolt in a year or two, only this time the cushy fallback position of the Pac-10 might be unavailable to others?

That's no way to live. That's no way to conduct business. That's no way to watch out for your school.

Sure, the left-out universities — call them the Oceanic Five; they're about to be Lost — are begging and pleading for some kind of reconciliation.

There could be a last-ditch meeting Monday, just to see if a television network can promise enough money to keep Texas in the fold.

And Kansas, Iowa State and Kansas State figure to receive all kinds of empathy. They did nothing wrong. They were good people, good competitors and good conference members. That's the rotten part of this drama. The damage done to those old friends.

Missouri and Baylor will draw no such emotion.

Baylor played politics to get into the Big 12 and has resorted to politics to get out of the Big 12. But Baylor campaigned in the wrong state; it wasn't Texans who needed convincing so much as Californians. The Pac-10 wanted Colorado instead and quickly scooped up CU in part to end the talk out of Baylor.

And Missouri started all this mess by throwing itself at the Big Ten. Every Big 12 school went on red alert from that point; some found an exit strategy.

And the Pac-10 clearly is the best option for the four or five Big 12 schools headed West. No way to know if the Pac-10 will work out any better for the Oklahoma and Texas schools, but no way it could work out worse.

Name-calling and finger-pointing and warnings and resentment. Any school with an option should run from the Big 12. Run far and run fast.

When you hit the iceberg, you save yourself and maybe a pal or two.

You don't try to save the boat.

Don't leave mad. Just leave.

bowener 06-12-2010 11:44 PM

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And Missouri started all this mess by throwing itself at the Big Ten. Every Big 12 school went on red alert from that point; some found an exit strategy.
I honestly cannot remember at this point, but did MU officially ever throw itself at the Big Ten in anyway? Or was it all fan sites and online articles and conjecture that started up this stuff? What was the singular moment that pushed tushed this turd out?

DaneMcCloud 06-12-2010 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 6817377)

Don't go away mad.

Just go away.

:D

KcMizzou 06-12-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6817381)
I honestly cannot remember at this point, but did MU officially ever throw itself at the Big Ten in anyway? Or was it all fan sites and online articles and conjecture that started up this stuff? What was the singular moment that pushed tushed this turd out?

Mizzou has never said a damned thing, other than "We're proud members of the Big 12."

bowener 06-12-2010 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6817385)
Mizzou has never said a damned thing, other than "We're proud members of the Big 12."

Sadly that is all that I can remember. I was wondering if there was something from 6 months back or more where Mizzou publicly said they would like to leave, but I haven't found anything but fan commentary or journalists (probably mizzou grads) writing about it in online articles.

Buck 06-12-2010 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6816846)
No, no they aren't. The ACC and Big East aren't good, but usually are better than the MWC. Especially in perception as well, and perception is more important than in actuality.

Most people would concede that the ACC is almost always better than the Big East, and the Big East has been much better in football in recent years. Last year the Big East was 4-2 in bowls and I think beat some SEC teams. ACC was 2-3 and played formidable in losses. The MWC is the last resort for any teams in the Big 12. Alot of fans like KSU are already conceding to the MWC, but I really do think they might be able to play off their recent basketball success and get into a Big East/Conf Usa/Big 12 North merger of some sort.

Are you serious? I think you are not giving credit where it was due.

Heres the final AP rankings of 4 MWC teams last year. I know Boise St wasn't in the MWC last year, but they are now so I am including them.

MWC
4. Boise St.
6. TCU
12. BYU
18. Utah

ACC
10. Virginia Tech
13. Georgia Tech
19. Miami (FL)
24. Clemson

Big East
8. Cincinatti
15. Pittsburgh
25. West Virginia

PAC 10
11. Oregon
22. USC


As far as the Big 12, SEC, and Big 10 go, I'll list them too

Big 12
2. Texas
14. Nebraska
21. Texas Tech

SEC
1. Alabama
3. Florida
17. LSU

Big 10
5. Ohio State
7. Iowa
9. Penn State
(14. Nebraska)


Arguably, the MWC had the 3rd best conference behind the SEC and Big 10.

Holler at your boy.

Buck 06-12-2010 11:59 PM

Not going to list all the conferences for the 2008 season, but here is the MWC standings for that year.

2. Utah
7. TCU
11. Boise St
25. BYU

KcMizzou 06-13-2010 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6817391)
Sadly that is all that I can remember. I was wondering if there was something from 6 months back or more where Mizzou publicly said they would like to leave, but I haven't found anything but fan commentary or journalists (probably mizzou grads) writing about it in online articles.

They've done the smart thing, and kept their mouths shut.

But, that hasn't stopped the blame from coming. Nebraska went out of their way to blame Mizzou for the demise of the Big XII. There's always been a feeling that Mizzou would like to join the Big Ten. And the media's jumped all over it. Now that NU is in, and Mizzou isn't... it's time to pile on.

Nebraska and Mizzou were given that ultimatum... Why? Clearly Texas and it's entourage was also looking around. Colorado had a foot out the door, and was wearing track shoes...

The ultimatum was given because Texas knew NU and MU were both "invited" to the Big 10... and they liked what they had.... being the big bully on the block. Now, they'll be just another team in the Pac 10.

Missouri will still end up in the Big 10. Being first is not important.

(Or we'll all end up kissing Texas' ass in what remains of the Big 12 for a year or three.)

Archie Bunker 06-13-2010 12:47 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5279963

Sources: SEC covets Texas, OU

The Southeastern Conference, reportedly keen on adding Texas A&M amid the onrush of a Big 12 shakeup, would be just as interested in luring Texas and Oklahoma but doesn't see either as a realistic option, sources with knowledge of the SEC's maneuverings have told ESPN and ESPN.com.

An SEC athletic director told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach that the SEC's first choice would be adding the Longhorns, but might consider taking Texas A&M because it expands the league's footprint into the Dallas and Houston TV markets.

Given the fact that Texas A&M may be the only Big 12 school the SEC could add, the league was prepared to make the move even if Texas and Oklahoma went elsewhere.

"We've got to be diligent in evaluating this," another SEC athletic director told ESPN.com's Schlabach. "We can't just add teams who are going to split the pie without adding anything substantial to the pie."

Adding the Aggies would provide SEC West member Arkansas with a natural rival, which the Razorbacks have lacked since joining the league in 1992 from the Southwest Conference.

Looking beyond the Big 12 for expansion, specifically to the ACC for schools such as Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State or Miami, was not in the SEC's plans, sources told ESPN.

The sources saw no way the SEC would raid the ACC and added serious doubt that Virginia Tech could be pried away from Virginia.

The idea the SEC would go after Kansas was also dismissed, though a KU source said that would be a preference for the Jayhawks.

Big 12 sources continued to suggest to ESPN on Saturday that the addition of five more Big 12 teams to the Pac-10 is the most likely scenario after Colorado's move. The exodus could begin as early as Tuesday, but nothing has been finalized.

A source with knowledge of Oklahoma's future told ESPN on Saturday the Sooners had not committed to the Pac-10.

However, Oklahoma president David Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione had a meeting Saturday with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott and deputy commissioner Kevin Weiberg, the school said in a statement. OU's Board of Regents plans to meet Wednesday afternoon to weigh conference options.

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said Saturday the Longhorns were still considering "all options."

One plan still on the table was to keep the 10 remaining Big 12 schools together and reposition the conference for the future.

A source familiar with the Sooners said there was compelling information the Big 12 would still be very strong. The Big 12 could remain at 10 or add teams, which the source said would be a choice to be made later and carefully reviewed.

Officials from five schools -- Kansas, Missouri, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor -- had a conference call on Saturday, the Kansas City Star reported. The schools agreed they would like to continue as members of the Big 12.

Buck 06-13-2010 12:49 AM

All I know is that all of this shit better lead to a playoff system because there is no way that these teams are going undefeated anymore.

Titty Meat 06-13-2010 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 6817433)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5279963

Sources: SEC covets Texas, OU

The Southeastern Conference, reportedly keen on adding Texas A&M amid the onrush of a Big 12 shakeup, would be just as interested in luring Texas and Oklahoma but doesn't see either as a realistic option, sources with knowledge of the SEC's maneuverings have told ESPN and ESPN.com.

An SEC athletic director told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach that the SEC's first choice would be adding the Longhorns, but might consider taking Texas A&M because it expands the league's footprint into the Dallas and Houston TV markets.

Given the fact that Texas A&M may be the only Big 12 school the SEC could add, the league was prepared to make the move even if Texas and Oklahoma went elsewhere.

"We've got to be diligent in evaluating this," another SEC athletic director told ESPN.com's Schlabach. "We can't just add teams who are going to split the pie without adding anything substantial to the pie."

Adding the Aggies would provide SEC West member Arkansas with a natural rival, which the Razorbacks have lacked since joining the league in 1992 from the Southwest Conference.

Looking beyond the Big 12 for expansion, specifically to the ACC for schools such as Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State or Miami, was not in the SEC's plans, sources told ESPN.

The sources saw no way the SEC would raid the ACC and added serious doubt that Virginia Tech could be pried away from Virginia.

The idea the SEC would go after Kansas was also dismissed, though a KU source said that would be a preference for the Jayhawks.

Big 12 sources continued to suggest to ESPN on Saturday that the addition of five more Big 12 teams to the Pac-10 is the most likely scenario after Colorado's move. The exodus could begin as early as Tuesday, but nothing has been finalized.

A source with knowledge of Oklahoma's future told ESPN on Saturday the Sooners had not committed to the Pac-10.

However, Oklahoma president David Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione had a meeting Saturday with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott and deputy commissioner Kevin Weiberg, the school said in a statement. OU's Board of Regents plans to meet Wednesday afternoon to weigh conference options.

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said Saturday the Longhorns were still considering "all options."

One plan still on the table was to keep the 10 remaining Big 12 schools together and reposition the conference for the future.

A source familiar with the Sooners said there was compelling information the Big 12 would still be very strong. The Big 12 could remain at 10 or add teams, which the source said would be a choice to be made later and carefully reviewed.

Officials from five schools -- Kansas, Missouri, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor -- had a conference call on Saturday, the Kansas City Star reported. The schools agreed they would like to continue as members of the Big 12.

This would make the most sense. The SEC would make the Bg Ten look like a cupcake confrence.

Titty Meat 06-13-2010 01:25 AM

The only thing Mizzou said was it would listen to the Big Ten. Which then created alot of speculation.

DenverChief 06-13-2010 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 6817433)

Officials from five schools -- Kansas, Missouri, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor -- had a conference call on Saturday, the Kansas City Star reported. The schools agreed they would like to continue as members of the Big 12.

Interesting...I don't think Colorado State Should be left out of the realm of possibilty ..I think the Big 12 stays and raids the MWC rather than the other way around

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Conference Expansion: A Look At How the Big 12 Can Still Be Saved

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1264306365 by Drew Gatewood
Written on June 10, 2010

Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images
The Big 12 is on the ropes right now as it fights for its conference life. “If Nebraska leaves, this conference is dead,” said an anonymous high-ranking Big 12 executive. There are reports all over the news confirming this, with talks of half the conference jumping ship to the Pac 10.


The remaining teams in the Big 12 need to act quickly if they have any hope at salvaging the battered conference. Rumors already swirl of talks including BYU and Air Force, but it will take more than that to keep the conference together.


The Big 12 has options for teams to add, but the respect of the conference will take a hit with Oklahoma and Texas heading west to the Pac 10. Even if the conference adds some new members, it still might not be enough to compete with the images and revenues of the “super-conferences”.
For several season, the non-BCS teams have said they want a legitimate shot at the BCS title. With all the expansion going on, they should get their chance. Well, that is if the Big 12 stays together. Many of these BCS busters are a perfect fit regionally to be absorbed right into the Big 12, potentially saving the conference.


The Big 12’s likely remaining members are Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and possibly Missouri. If Missouri leaves, that will be eight teams the conference is down. Could the conference add eight teams? Yes, but they probably won’t.


Here is a look at the possible candidates for a conference desperate to stay afloat.

TCU: The Horned Frogs are in Ft. Worth, right next to Dallas. This was right in the middle of former Big 12 country and will be a large market, something the conference desperately needs. TCU has been dominant in the MWC over the past few seasons and can become an instant contender in the conference.

BYU: The Cougars are very similar to TCU as far as talent level for football. They would be a very good add, and in fact have already been asked if they would be interested in joining the conference. They don’t bring much of a market for additional revenues, but will help maintain the respect of the conference.

Utah: The Utes already have shown some worth on the big stage of the BCS when they knocked off Alabama. They could be part of the four-team sweep as the Big 12 raids the Mountain West.

Boise State: The Broncos have almost become a staple in the BCS over these past five seasons. They bring a lot to the table in football, but not in much else. They are improving their academics but still have some work to do. The Big 12 needs the publicity and Boise State would provide that, making this a possible option.

Air Force: This is the second team the Big 12 is looking at officially adding. Regionally it makes sense and the Falcons bring some very respectable academic standards with them. They have been very competitive athletically and would be a decent addition to begin rebuilding the conference’s respectability.

Houston: The Cougars would jump at the chance to join the Big 12 and they would bring the Houston market with them. This would help solidify the state of Texas, along with adding TCU, and help keep the conference relevant as far as media exposure goes. Houston has been very good in Conference USA and could compete in the new Big 12, but not with the same success it’s recently had.

Notre Dame: If the Irish want to be stubborn with the Big Ten they will be left out in the cold as far as joining a conference. The Big 12 may be the only option at that point if the ACC/Big East declines them as well. The Irish bring academics, revenue, and tradition to the table. Would this be a likely addition? Probably not. But it should not be overlooked.

Cincinnati: The Bearcats may not be an automatic addition into the new ACC/Big East merger. They have good academics and a decent athletic program, but the football stadium is small and Ohio State still controls most of the state of Ohio’s revenue. Adding Cincinnati would expand the existing footprint of the struggling conference, increasing its exposure.
If the Big 12 is going to survive with its new members, conference revenue and exposure are going to be huge factors. Adding cities like Houston, Dallas/Ft. Worth, and possibly Cincinnati would be a necessity for the conference's livelihood.


The Big 12 currently has many of its games covered on ESPN and the Versus network, but with the conference splitting in half, it is very likely that Versus would cover mostly Pac 10 games. This is something Versus regularly does anyways, and with the addition of Texas and Oklahoma, that coverage would be largely focused on the Pac 10.
Bringing in a TV deal for the conference with either ESPN, Versus, or starting a Big 12 Network would be another conference necessity. The “super-conferences” will have a leg up on TV coverage, but the conference will have to at least attempt to get a contract to keep up if it has a chance at surviving.


The remaining Big 12 teams will have their work cut out in order to survive the exodus of half of the original conference’s teams. The problem is three-fold in that it needs to add multiple teams, increase the conference footprint in doing so, and increase media exposure. All three problems will have challenges, and all the problems will have to be conquered if the conference has a chance to survive.

DenverChief 06-13-2010 04:15 AM

Another

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With each day that passes it appears as if the Big 12 Conference moves one step closer to extinction.
However, a scenario emerged Saturday that might go a long way toward saving the conference

An ESPN.com report early Saturday morning quoted Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson as saying that the MWC was frothing at the mouth to scoop up whatever Big 12 schools might remain should Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State head to the Pac-10, as expected.

Sources within the Mountain West, however, told the Journal-World late Saturday night that the exact opposite actually could happen. Instead of the MWC taking the Big 12’s castaways — Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor — the Big 12 could absorb all 10 members of the Mountain West, including newly acquired Boise State, and move forward as a revamped Big 12. <iframe noresize="" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://twc.rotator.hadj7.adjuggler.net/servlet/ajrotator/24887/0/vh?z=twc&dim=22051&kw=&click=" frameborder="0" height="250" scrolling="No" width="300">&lt;script language=JavaScript src="http://twc.rotator.hadj7.adjuggler.net/servlet/ajrotator/24887/0/vj?z=twc&amp;dim=22051&amp;kw=&amp;click=&amp;abr=$scriptiniframe"&gt;&lt;/script&gt;&lt;noscript&gt;&lt;a href="http://twc.rotator.hadj7.adjuggler.net/servlet/ajrotator/24887/0/cc?z=twc"&gt;&lt;img src="http://twc.rotator.hadj7.adjuggler.net/servlet/ajrotator/24887/0/vc?z=twc&amp;dim=22051&amp;kw=&amp;click=&amp;abr=$imginiframe" width="300" height="250" border="0"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/noscript&gt;</iframe>



“That has some merit because it would allow the remaining Big 12 schools to protect things like their NCAA Tournament basketball shares and the automatic qualifying bid to the BCS,” the source said. “If that’s how this goes down, I know that both sides are going to be very sensitive to how that part’s handled so that it doesn’t jeopardize the BCS bid or any of the basketball shares that those schools have earned.”


That alone, along with the other advantages that would come with the Big 12’s leftovers sticking together, such as geography, friendly time zones and tradition, could be enough to make the offer appealing to those schools that remain. One other potential benefit of staying with the league and adding the MWC schools would be the fact that the Big 12 — whatever it would be called from here on out — would be around to collect the departure penalty payouts from the schools that leave.


As for the Mountain West schools, which, like the Big 12, have been together barely more than a decade, the idea of leaving the MWC behind would not be tough to swallow, the source said.


“With the opportunity to become a BCS conference, nearly immediately, and the fact that this conference, which has been on a united front throughout this whole thing, would remain united, I think the sentimentality carries very little weight,” the source said. “I think in a lot of ways it’s a best-case scenario for everyone involved.”


The kicker, of course, is that, as of now, the Big 12 still has 10 teams in it, with only Colorado and Nebraska out the door for certain. That could all change as soon as Tuesday, when four Big 12 south schools reportedly will announce their defection to the Pac-10.


Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott and deputy commissioner Kevin Weiberg visited with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State officials in person Saturday, ostensibly with invitations to join the league. Up next is a trip to Texas A&M, Texas and Texas Tech today. An OU press release described Saturday’s meeting with president David Boren and AD Joe Castiglione as “very cordial and informative. It would not be appropriate to comment further on the content of the meeting at this time. There will be a special meeting of OU’s board of regents Wednesday to weigh possible conference options available to the university.”


The press release had most pundits 100 percent convinced OU is Pac-10 bound.


The wildcard here remains Texas A&M. The Aggies originally were in the proposal outlined by the Pac-10, however, A&M has since become torn over whether to join its Big 12 brothers in heading west or set out on its own into the SEC. NBCsports.com reported Saturday there were enough votes of A&M regents to approve a move to the SEC.


There are conflicting reports whether the SEC would want A&M and ESPN reported Saturday that the league was not interested in KU, though some KU officials have been intrigued by the possibility of joining that league.
There’s also been talk of KU, K-State, Missouri and Iowa State joining the Big East but that has yet to build up much steam nationally.


Should A&M head to the SEC, that would leave Kansas in an interesting position of whether to pursue becoming the 16th school in the Pac-10 or to stick with the potential Big 12/Mountain West merger that seems to be gaining momentum.


A source confirmed to the Journal-World reports that officials from KU, K-State, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor met via teleconference on Saturday to discuss the possibility of remaining with the Big 12 via merging with the Mountain West. The athletic directors may meet Monday to ask questions of TV officials about possible contracts and what they would be worth for such a league.


Although the losses of Texas and Oklahoma would be tough to stomach, taking on the Mountain West schools could actually expand the markets the Big 12 reaches, especially if the Big 12’s five and the MWC’s 10 went after Houston or SMU, as the source indicated they would, as the 16th team in the revamped Big 12.


That, in effect, would be creating the very thing that current Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe has warned against throughout the entire realignment process. It would be interesting to watch if, with his conference saved, Beebe would be willing to oversee one of the 16-team power conferences he’s lobbied against in recent weeks.


“I think it’s something that we, as a community of leaders, better be very careful about,” Beebe said. “I think if we come to a day where there are four 16-member conferences and there’s a clear departure of those conferences from the rest of the institutions in higher education and athletics, that it’s going to be a sad day and it’s going to be very difficult to not have a lot more intervention and legal issues attached to those institutions.”

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/j...r-save-big-12/

Buck 06-13-2010 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 6817481)

I have a tough time seeing teams like Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, SDSU, and New Mexico being in the Big 12. That is just flabbergasting. I like it though. I would be happy with this scenario, no matter how much everyone here won't like the idea of it.

the Talking Can 06-13-2010 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6817487)
I have a tough time seeing teams like Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, SDSU, and New Mexico being in the Big 12. That is just flabbergasting. I like it though. I would be happy with this scenario, no matter how much everyone here won't like the idea of it.

that would be a disaster...


i'd rather blow up allen field house

HonestChieffan 06-13-2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6817385)
Mizzou has never said a damned thing, other than "We're proud members of the Big 12."


well the governor addressed the Big Ten issue and said he was for it....Alden strutted the rumor all over the place...

DeezNutz 06-13-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6817544)
that would be a disaster...


i'd rather blow up allen field house

I feel the same way about the MWC from a Mizzou vantage point.

I'd rather not be involved in collegiate sports all-together. Become only an academic institution and work to build up the reputation in this respect.

the Talking Can 06-13-2010 08:33 AM

at this point, i'm hoping (praying) that ku can sneak into the pac-10 with UT thanks to a&M going to the sec...we'd keep the big 12 flavor and travel


KU needs to be with UT for money and for access to texas recruiting....

after that, it gets seriously less appealing in order:

big east





stay in the big 12: any big 12 without UT is worthless...and I'll shoot my face off if KU is in a conference with colorado st., sdsu, montana....or whatever else type of irrelevant trash our worthless admins come up with...


i don't think the big 10 or acc are options...


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