Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17968254)

You can blame Heck for a lot of things, but Kingsley/Wanya this year isn't one of them.

Wanya's just not very good, man. He was good not great in college, and in the pros he's not good. He doesn't have a tackle's frame at all. Looks really small compared to other LTs. He's got a low ceiling, and I don't think his floor was ever high enough to give serious consideration to his possibility of being a franchise tackle for a team one day. Dude got arrested for weed possession in the offseason, and while that's a stupid law that he broke, how the **** do you get arrested for that sort of thing? You kind of have to be an idiot to get caught with that shit.

And Kingsley's got the frame, but he's so damn young and raw. I don't know who the greatest OL coach of all time is, but if he were on staff and were assigned the task of coaching Kingsley, even that coach would need more time than we gave Kingsley given where he started. And yeah, I was in favor of starting him in the offseason, but I figured we'd be a little smarter about bringing him along than we actually were. I really doubt that was Andy Heck's idea to leave him out on an island like that, and even if it were, he doesn't have the power within the organization to make that kind of decision-- that one is entirely on Nagy and Reid.

I'm still excited and dare I say even optimistic about what Kingsley can do. Wanya not so much. In both cases, though, their failures this season aren't the fault of Heck.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17968232)

Read a few articles today, they don’t have the cap for it right now unless they restructure some guys

Few guys in Baltimore said they’d heard he was gonna hit the market

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17968288)

If they did that, they'd be in our shoes. No left tackle and drafting too low to get one.

I don't see them doing it. It would be really stupid, and that front office isn't stupid.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17968287)

Dont die on the Kingsley hill. All he's shown he can do is jump out of a swimming pool in a bathing suit. He's shown a lot of what he can't do on the football field though. And because of how he was handled this past season, it may be that much harder for him to do stuff on the football field, especially LT. But you're right, he is very young so he'll be given time.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17968287)

Dont die on the Kingsley hill. All he's shown he can do is jump out of a swimming pool in a bathing suit. He's shown a lot of what he can't do on the football field though. And because of how he was handled this past season, it may be that much harder for him to do stuff on the football field, especially LT. But you're right, he is very young so he'll be given time.

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 17968296)

I wonder if Rosengarten can play LT? He started 16 games for them at RT.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17968304)

We currently have one guy on our roster with the frame and the body to potentially play LT in the NFL at a high level. That's Kingsley.

Yeah, the odds are against him since he's from outside the 1st round, but weirdly enough, there are plenty of success stories of guys like him with potential and raw characteristics who end up being good starters.

And he's a year ahead of any other rookies coming out in 2025 with a similar frame and potential to be a great LT. I'm honestly in the stopgap and/or free agent camp because I don't think there's any other way to guarantee safety for Mahomes this season, but if forced to pick between drafting more tackles this year or penciling in Kingsley as the starter, I'd rather pencil in Kingsley.

Like I said, he's a year ahead of anybody else in a weak OT class. And I don't want more Wanyas who don't have a chance of being a franchise guy.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17968304)

We currently have one guy on our roster with the frame and the body to potentially play LT in the NFL at a high level. That's Kingsley.

Yeah, the odds are against him since he's from outside the 1st round, but weirdly enough, there are plenty of success stories of guys like him with potential and raw characteristics who end up being good starters.

And he's a year ahead of any other rookies coming out in 2025 with a similar frame and potential to be a great LT. I'm honestly in the stopgap and/or free agent camp because I don't think there's any other way to guarantee safety for Mahomes this season, but if forced to pick between drafting more tackles this year or penciling in Kingsley as the starter, I'd rather pencil in Kingsley.

Like I said, he's a year ahead of anybody else in a weak OT class. And I don't want more Wanyas who don't have a chance of being a franchise guy.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17968303)

I don't get some guys obsession with Kingsley on here.

He's literally the worst rookie LT I've ever seen. At best he can be a guard and they are already protecting him there.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17968313)

Amen to THIS

All of this talk about throwing last years second out the window already is laughable, Kingsley is getting at least another two years to show something at a minimum

Just gimme a three way camp battle between him and two vets, we'll get a worthy starter out of that fight IMO

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17968319)

Off the top of my head, some pretty good tackles who had horribad rookie seasons:

Andrew Thomas
Duane Brown
Trent Williams (? I remember him sucking hard his first year, but I could be misremembering)
Eric Fisher (as a RT, too lol)
Kolton Miller

Hell, even Lane Johnson was pretty bad.

And... sure. I'll do it. I'll give him credit. How about Mongo over in Denver? We love to make fun of him, but if we had him on Sunday and Thuney moved back to LG, the game probably goes a lot differently.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17968319)

Off the top of my head, some pretty good tackles who had horribad rookie seasons:

Andrew Thomas
Duane Brown
Trent Williams (? I remember him sucking hard his first year, but I could be misremembering)
Eric Fisher (as a RT, too lol)
Kolton Miller

Hell, even Lane Johnson was pretty bad.

And... sure. I'll do it. I'll give him credit. How about Mongo over in Denver? We love to make fun of him, but if we had him on Sunday and Thuney moved back to LG, the game probably goes a lot differently.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17968303)

I don't get some guys obsession with Kingsley on here.

He's literally the worst rookie LT I've ever seen. At best he can be a guard and they are already protecting him there.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17968313)

Amen to THIS

All of this talk about throwing last years second out the window already is laughable, Kingsley is getting at least another two years to show something at a minimum

Just gimme a three way camp battle between him and two vets, we'll get a worthy starter out of that fight IMO

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17968313)

Amen to THIS

All of this talk about throwing last years second out the window already is laughable, Kingsley is getting at least another two years to show something at a minimum

Just gimme a three way camp battle between him and two vets, we'll get a worthy starter out of that fight IMO