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Mecca 01-31-2020 10:56 AM
The only way the owners get more games is to give the players more % in the split that will sky rocket the cap, and if they do that QB cap then all problems solved.

DRM08 01-31-2020 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762337)
I think that is the plan honestly, there is no other reason for Clark to be saying things like "there is a right time for both parties on Pats deal" other than they know they can wait out this CBA thing is probably keep more of the team together.

Watkins is either being cut or singing a new deal that lowers his cap number to what his dead money number would be, no way around that.
Maybe they get the ultimate bailout in this new CBA. Separate salary cap for quarterbacks. Then they can keep Sammy and Jones. Sammy will need to take a paycut regardless. His production does not justify $15-20M in salary.

All22 01-31-2020 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14762267)
The Niners don't treat their RBs like receivers quite like the Chargers do. There might be 3 or 4 targets to SF running backs, but I don't anticipate more than that. Their FB will get a target or two as well.
Anyone who thinks that clearly doesn't watch games. Juice is basically a TE and will burn you deep (caught a 50 yarder against y'all last year). Coleman was a receiving back in ATL but we haven't used him much in that role this year although we all thought that was why we signed him.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-31-2020 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14762350)
Schefter just said the Chiefs confidence is at a all time high. He said he’s never seen a team with this much confidence headed into the super bowl. He said everyone in that locker room expects to win the win the game Sunday and take the trophy back to Arrowhead.
Where is this?

Chris Meck 01-31-2020 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14762351)
But in 2021 you're out of runway I think, even w/ a new CBA (unless the purported 'QB cap' helps us out).

The NFL isn't designed to let you pay at the top of the market for guys at 6 different positions. We'd have a high end QB, WR, TE, DE, DT and S at that point, not to mention LT and RT that are near the high end of their respective positions.

Ultimately the league simply doesn't want teams doing that. They look to reallocate talent as best they can and when you see how many teams out there have comical cap flexibility over the next 2-3 seasons, it's just a nightmare.

At some point something is going to have to give. And frankly it will probably be multiple somethings.

I get that there will be a lot of teams with space that SUCK and it's hard to talk yourself into playing for them. But we're not talking about good players who have a choice to take a little less to play for KC. We're talking about guys who very clearly deserve to be among the highest paid guys in the league at their respective positions. In a game where you really only get one massive contract most of the time and maybe 4-5 years of peak earning potential.

At some point even a 'discount' yields more than we can reasonably afford.
well, there are always extensions, converting cap numbers into 'signing bonuses', etc.

Plus guys like Kelce, Fisher, etc. are on the wrong side of 30; they're likely to do team friendly deals at that point.

It's possible.

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:00 AM
For the record it's not like Sammy Watkins needs the money......he's 26 years old and he's at the end of his 6th season....

He has pocketed 53,935,603 that is a lot of money for a guy that's never really been a true 1.

wachashi 01-31-2020 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14762334)
Honest question-

Is it arguable if you look at the last 8 weeks or so of the season including playoffs that

Clark
Jones
Honey Badger

Will be the best 3 defensive players on the field Sunday?
It's arguable, but there's no one in the national media saying Jones + Clark are playing as well as anyone on the SF defensive line.

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14762369)
Where is this?
It was on their morning show, after he said that McFarland and McAfee got all offended like that mindset is wrong.

Chris Meck 01-31-2020 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14762375)
It's arguable, but there's no one in the national media saying Jones + Clark are playing as well as anyone on the SF defensive line.
and they are.

I'd add Pennel and Suggs in there too and say that no front four has played better than them the last 8 games.

Maybe it's because we rotate so much?

But that's just depth, baby. It's a good thing.

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14762369)
Where is this?
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DRM08 01-31-2020 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762374)
For the record it's not like Sammy Watkins needs the money......he's 26 years old and he's at the end of his 6th season....

He has pocketed 53,935,603 that is a lot of money for a guy that's never really been a true 1.
Better way to put it is that’s a ton of money for a guy who is injured all the time.

wachashi 01-31-2020 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14762364)
Anyone who thinks that clearly doesn't watch games. Juice is basically a TE and will burn you deep (caught a 50 yarder against y'all last year). Coleman was a receiving back in ATL but we haven't used him much in that role this year although we all thought that was why we signed him.
Feel free to look up target numbers and compare the two teams.

DJ's left nut 01-31-2020 11:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762356)
The only way the owners get more games is to give the players more % in the split that will sky rocket the cap, and if they do that QB cap then all problems solved.
No they aren't.

Because EVERYONE gets the same cap. Again - a skyrocketing cap will simply mean that Jones can get $30 million on the market instead of $20 million.

A premier DT is still going to get a massive chunk of the cap% and that's going to apply to any team that's looking to retain his services. Now it might ultimately make Clark's number a little more palatable, but recognize how few guys we have truly locked in for 2022.

Mahomes is going to sign a deal commensurate w/ whatever the new CBA allows and he'll be the top dog. Hill will have one more season w/ a cap figure of $20.5 million. Clark will be at $24.7 million.

That's it, fellas. That's all the cost certainty we have for those years. Literally every other new deal we have on the books then will be signed w/ an eye on the 'new world' cap figures. NFL agents aren't going to just say "oh sure, the cap took a 25% jump but we're still gonna ask for small raises over what guys got under the LAST CBA..."

The market will shift accordingly.

The new CBA won't save us because virtually every key player on this team will be singed to a deal that takes the new CBA into consideration and the market that the new CBA will create.

All22 01-31-2020 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14762351)
But in 2021 you're out of runway I think, even w/ a new CBA (unless the purported 'QB cap' helps us out).

The NFL isn't designed to let you pay at the top of the market for guys at 6 different positions. We'd have a high end QB, WR, TE, DE, DT and S at that point, not to mention LT and RT that are near the high end of their respective positions.

Ultimately the league simply doesn't want teams doing that. They look to reallocate talent as best they can and when you see how many teams out there have comical cap flexibility over the next 2-3 seasons, it's just a nightmare.

At some point something is going to have to give. And frankly it will probably be multiple somethings.

I get that there will be a lot of teams with space that SUCK and it's hard to talk yourself into playing for them. But we're not talking about good players who have a choice to take a little less to play for KC. We're talking about guys who very clearly deserve to be among the highest paid guys in the league at their respective positions. In a game where you really only get one massive contract most of the time and maybe 4-5 years of peak earning potential.

At some point even a 'discount' yields more than we can reasonably afford.
The Seahawks have ungodly amounts of cap room. That's scary

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:05 AM
That's a solid point, I mean if we do lose Jones I'm confident it will be a franchise and trade and not just him walking away though.

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14762390)
The Seahawks have ungodly amounts of cap room. That's scary
They're a 1 man team why is this surprising?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-31-2020 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762381)
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Starts at the 5 minute mark

FAX 01-31-2020 11:07 AM
Sammy is far more important to this offense than many (most?) Planeteers would apparently like to admit.

Although he may not make a lot of "splash" plays, people seem to forget that splash plays are often created due to an accumulation of sprinkles elsewhere on the field.

Sammy Sprinkles has value.

As for Mahomes' deal, it seems to me that Clark's comments were transparent. Veach said from day 1 that they had a long term plan to handle Mahomes' contract and it wasn't going to be a surprise. Clark's 12-15 month timeline is telling. He's on the finance committee and I believe he's forecasting that the CBA negotiations are going to have a significant effect on Mahomes' contract and related timing.

I also believe that Mahomes will not try to break the bank on the Chiefs. Based on everything he's ever said (publicly), I get the strong impression that he would rather win for 10mm less than lose for 10mm more.

FAX

PAChiefsGuy 01-31-2020 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762374)
For the record it's not like Sammy Watkins needs the money......he's 26 years old and he's at the end of his 6th season....

He has pocketed 53,935,603 that is a lot of money for a guy that's never really been a true 1.
Agreed.

If he won't take a pay cut he needs to be let go. He's simply not worth the money he is being paid.

duncan_idaho 01-31-2020 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14762364)
Anyone who thinks that clearly doesn't watch games. Juice is basically a TE and will burn you deep (caught a 50 yarder against y'all last year). Coleman was a receiving back in ATL but we haven't used him much in that role this year although we all thought that was why we signed him.
Jusczyk had 24 targets this season and 20 catches in 12 games. Right in line with his totals across his prior 2 seasons in San Francisco.

107 targets in 42 career games as a 49er. That's literally 2.5 targets a game.

DRM08 01-31-2020 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14762388)
No they aren't.

Because EVERYONE gets the same cap. Again - a skyrocketing cap will simply mean that Jones can get $30 million on the market instead of $20 million.

A premier DT is still going to get a massive chunk of the cap% and that's going to apply to any team that's looking to retain his services. Now it might ultimately make Clark's number a little more palatable, but recognize how few guys we have truly locked in for 2022.

Mahomes is going to sign a deal commensurate w/ whatever the new CBA allows and he'll be the top dog. Hill will have one more season w/ a cap figure of $20.5 million. Clark will be at $24.7 million.

That's it, fellas. That's all the cost certainty we have for those years. Literally every other new deal we have on the books then will be signed w/ an eye on the 'new world' cap figures. NFL agents aren't going to just say "oh sure, the cap took a 25% jump but we're still gonna ask for small raises over what guys got under the LAST CBA..."

The market will shift accordingly.

The new CBA won't save us because virtually every key player on this team will be singed to a deal that takes the new CBA into consideration and the market that the new CBA will create.
What you need is the separate cap for QB’s. If they do that, KC is in a great spot.

smithandrew051 01-31-2020 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14762403)
What you need is the separate cap for QB’s. If they do that, KC is in a great spot.
Chiefs may go to like 6 or 7 Super Bowls this decade if that happens. No AFC QB is anywhere near Mahomes right now.

DJ's left nut 01-31-2020 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14762401)
Jusczyk had 24 targets this season and 20 catches in 12 games. Right in line with his totals across his prior 2 seasons in San Francisco.

107 targets in 42 career games as a 49er. That's literally 2.5 targets a game.
Don't need to use him a lot to use him effectively, though.

I worry a bit about a play-fake where he looks to be helping on that edge and then releases about 8 yards downfield on 3rd and 5 for an easy pitch/catch on a boot from Grapes.

You do that on 3rd down from our 40 and you've effectively created a scoring opportunity with zero risk and a damn high likelihood of success.

Do it on 1st and goal from the 6 and you've created a TD.

He can make a substantial impact on 2-3 targets if he moves the chains a few times in the process.

All22 01-31-2020 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14762384)
Feel free to look up target numbers and compare the two teams.
That has nothing to do with whether or not we CAN exploit the same weakness in your D. All of our backs are in the Hybrid WR/RB mold, even our fullback. Shanahan specifically targets those types of players, hence drafting Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd, and using Ross Dwelley (a TE) at fullback. Coleman was used in exactly that hybrid role under Kyle in ATL.

FloridaMan88 01-31-2020 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14762414)
Chiefs may go to like 6 or 7 Super Bowls this decade if that happens. No AFC QB is anywhere near Mahomes right now.
Agreed, just look at the AFC Pro Bowl QB's this year without Mahomes.

Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson and Ryan Tannehill.

One is a glorified RB, one is coached/GM'd by Bill O'Brien and the other is Ryan Tannehill (enough said).

The Chiefs' QB advantage in the AFC will be vastly superior to the rest of the conference for the foreseeable future.

wachashi 01-31-2020 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14762419)
Don't need to use him a lot to use him effectively, though.

I worry a bit about a play-fake where he looks to be helping on that edge and then releases about 8 yards downfield on 3rd and 5 for an easy pitch/catch on a boot from Grapes.

You do that on 3rd down from our 40 and you've effectively created a scoring opportunity with zero risk and a damn high likelihood of success.

Do it on 1st and goal from the 6 and you've created a TD.

He can make a substantial impact on 2-3 targets if he moves the chains a few times in the process.
Yeah, no one is ignoring Jusczyk. The Chargers RBs are bigger receiving threats that get more targets. That doesn't make the Niners easier to defend though.

FAX 01-31-2020 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14762419)
Don't need to use him a lot to use him effectively, though.

I worry a bit about a play-fake where he looks to be helping on that edge and then releases about 8 yards downfield on 3rd and 5 for an easy pitch/catch on a boot from Grapes.

You do that on 3rd down from our 40 and you've effectively created a scoring opportunity with zero risk and a damn high likelihood of success.

Do it on 1st and goal from the 6 and you've created a TD.

He can make a substantial impact on 2-3 targets if he moves the chains a few times in the process.
It's the one flaw I've seen in their run design, Mr. DJ's left nut. Please allow me to do you the honor of explaining what I've seen.

They do the same thing with their fullback, TE, and (upon occasion) motion receivers. Clearly, the idea is to chip and/or fake a block then get open as you have pointed out.

The answer is to attack and knock that faux blocker on his ass within 1 yard of the LOS. If it's a run, you've just taken away 2 gaps and cleared the way for the cavalry. If it's a pass, you've just taken away what may very well be their primary read.

FAX

ToxSocks 01-31-2020 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14762419)
Don't need to use him a lot to use him effectively, though.

I worry a bit about a play-fake where he looks to be helping on that edge and then releases about 8 yards downfield on 3rd and 5 for an easy pitch/catch on a boot from Grapes.

You do that on 3rd down from our 40 and you've effectively created a scoring opportunity with zero risk and a damn high likelihood of success.

Do it on 1st and goal from the 6 and you've created a TD.

He can make a substantial impact on 2-3 targets if he moves the chains a few times in the process.
Man, for the past few days i been watching you go all "objective" on us. **** that shit, man.

If there were ever a time to go full Homer it's now. Let the Homer shine, man. Release the beast.

All22 01-31-2020 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14762401)
Jusczyk had 24 targets this season and 20 catches in 12 games. Right in line with his totals across his prior 2 seasons in San Francisco.

107 targets in 42 career games as a 49er. That's literally 2.5 targets a game.
Kyle juszczyk is nearly as important to our offense as Kittle.

wachashi 01-31-2020 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14762428)
That has nothing to do with whether or not we CAN exploit the same weakness in your D. All of our backs are in the Hybrid WR/RB mold, even our fullback. Shanahan specifically targets those types of players, hence drafting Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd, and using Ross Dwelley (a TE) at fullback. Coleman was used in exactly that hybrid role under Kyle in ATL.
Yep, the Niners could choose to attack by throwing a lot to RBs and their FB. It's a real possibility, but it's not something they've done a TON of this year. Certainly not as much as the Chargers have done, which was the whole point of my original post.

DJ's left nut 01-31-2020 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14762438)
It's the one flaw I've seen in their run design, Mr. DJ's left nut. Please allow me to do you the honor of explaining what I've seen.

They do the same thing with their fullback, TE, and (upon occasion) motion receivers. Clearly, the idea is to chip and/or fake a block then get open as you have pointed out.

The answer is to attack and knock that faux blocker on his ass within 1 yard of the LOS. If it's a run, you've just taken away 2 gaps and cleared the way for the cavalry. If it's a pass, you've just taken away what may very well be their primary read.

FAX
I was thinking the same thing w/r/t Kittle.

I know the idea is to present run, get a block then release into the pattern. But if the TE or RB initiates the contact, the defender (be it Suggs, Sorensen, Wilson - whoever) can essentially mug the guy and call it 'hand-fighting' because he's representing block.

Now that doesn't mean the ****ing zebras won't throw the flag anyway - but they shouldn't. If a 9er TE or RB puts his hands on a defender, knowing full well that the idea is to get hands into the chest, that defender should keep his hands inside his pads and in the process lock onto that damn guys wrists and just yank his ass towards the pile. If it's a run, you've maintained the edge. If it's a pass, you've wrecked his route. By keeping your hands inside your pads, you're unlikely to get called for defensive holding.

Hand technique will be HUGE for both sides on those plays. Can the 49ers effectively sell a 'block' before going into the pattern and can the Chiefs lock them up long enough to blow those boots up.

Agree 100%, sir FAX.

ToxSocks 01-31-2020 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14762452)
Yep, the Niners could choose to attack by throwing a lot to RBs and their FB.
If this were Sutton's D i'd be concerned. But Spags has shown that he'll adjust and do what it takes to make sure the opposing offense doesn't beat you the way they WANT to beat you.

So not worried.

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:33 AM
For 49ers fans thinking they're being disrespected..this is what I've seen in this last few days of Superbowl picks, feel free to add if you know any more.

49ers
Rodney Harrison
Chris Simms
Derrick Henry
Christian McCaffrey
Von Miller
Booger

Chiefs
Mike Florio
Marcus Spears

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-31-2020 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762465)
For 49ers fans thinking they're being disrespected..this is what I've seen in this last few days of Superbowl picks, feel free to add if you know any more.

49ers
Rodney Harrison
Chris Simms
Derrick Henry
Christian McCaffrey
Von Miller
Booger

Chiefs
Mike Florio
Marcus Spears
Can add Skip and Shannon to the 49ers list. Max and Stephen A pick Chiefs

RollChiefsRoll 01-31-2020 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762465)
For 49ers fans thinking they're being disrespected..this is what I've seen in this last few days of Superbowl picks, feel free to add if you know any more.

49ers
Rodney Harrison
Chris Simms
Derrick Henry
Christian McCaffrey
Von Miller
Booger

Chiefs
Mike Florio
Marcus Spears
Kenny Mayne picked the Niners.

DJ's left nut 01-31-2020 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14762443)
Man, for the past few days i been watching you go all "objective" on us. **** that shit, man.

If there were ever a time to go full Homer it's now. Let the Homer shine, man. Release the beast.
It's the result of serenity. Having Mahomes has me so damn confident that we'll be here like 2/3 of the time until I'm in my 50s, that I can just kinda take these as they come right now.

So I've been able to look at a lot of this stuff almost dispassionately. It's made it even more satisfying to keep coming to the conclusion that we're gonna win this game.

Ain't gotta be a homer to think the Chiefs are a better team. Shit, I'm of the mind you can remove QBs from the equation altogether and the Chiefs are STILL arguably better.

But again - I'm just fairly chill about all of this at this point. There's some stuff the 9ers do really well. There's some stuff the Chiefs do really well. Lots of that shit's gonna cancel out and in the end execution will likely prevail.

ToxSocks 01-31-2020 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762465)
For 49ers fans thinking they're being disrespected..this is what I've seen in this last few days of Superbowl picks, feel free to add if you know any more.

49ers
Rodney Harrison
Chris Simms
Derrick Henry
Christian McCaffrey
Von Miller
Booger

Chiefs
Mike Florio
Marcus Spears
Chris Simms picked the Chiefs the last time i watched him. He said Chiefs by 3-6.

DJ's left nut 01-31-2020 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762465)
For 49ers fans thinking they're being disrespected..this is what I've seen in this last few days of Superbowl picks, feel free to add if you know any more.

49ers
Rodney Harrison
Chris Simms
Derrick Henry
Christian McCaffrey
Von Miller
Booger

Chiefs
Mike Florio
Marcus Spears
Christ.

Any way we can convince Florio to change his mind?

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14762475)
Chris Simms picked the Chiefs the last time i watched him. He said Chiefs by 3-6.
In his video with Harrison he acted like he was going Niners.

All22 01-31-2020 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14762452)
Yep, the Niners could choose to attack by throwing a lot to RBs and their FB. It's a real possibility, but it's not something they've done a TON of this year. Certainly not as much as the Chargers have done, which was the whole point of my original post.
Fair enough.

FloridaMan88 01-31-2020 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762465)
For 49ers fans thinking they're being disrespected..this is what I've seen in this last few days of Superbowl picks, feel free to add if you know any more.

49ers
Rodney Harrison
Chris Simms
Derrick Henry
Christian McCaffrey
Von Miller
Booger

Chiefs
Mike Florio
Marcus Spears
Rex Ryan said he's "leaning" towards the 49ers because he is a defensive guy.

That's mostly the pattern of people picking the 49ers, they are guys with defensive/running back backgrounds who are picking with their hearts (due to their fondness for how the 49ers have won in the playoffs), rather than with their heads.

Meanwhile Chris Simms and Kyle Shanahan have tattoos of each other, so their relationship seems to be in a TMI-category.

FAX 01-31-2020 11:44 AM
LOL ...

Why in the name of Hank Stram's Groin Toupee would you guys give two damns about which team a bunch of idiot pundits pick to win?

If they don't produce their signed betting slips, it don't mean a thang. (Not to mention that most of these guys have been wrong about practically everything all year long.)

FAX

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:45 AM
Stephen A Smith picked the Chiefs...not sure how I feel about that.
Kellerman picks the Chiefs also...

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And Booger with some shit you'd hear from an 80 year old man.

Mecca 01-31-2020 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14762510)
LOL ...

Why in the name of Hank Stram's Groin Toupee would you guys give two damns about which team a bunch of idiot pundits pick to win?

If they don't produce their signed betting slips, it don't mean a thang. (Not to mention that most of these guys have been wrong about practically everything all year long.)

FAX
Just thought it was interesting that I've seen nothing but 49ers fans say they were getting no respect.

The Franchise 01-31-2020 11:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14762474)
It's the result of serenity. Having Mahomes has me so damn confident that we'll be here like 2/3 of the time until I'm in my 50s, that I can just kinda take these as they come right now.

So I've been able to look at a lot of this stuff almost dispassionately. It's made it even more satisfying to keep coming to the conclusion that we're gonna win this game.

Ain't gotta be a homer to think the Chiefs are a better team. Shit, I'm of the mind you can remove QBs from the equation altogether and the Chiefs are STILL arguably better.

But again - I'm just fairly chill about all of this at this point. There's some stuff the 9ers do really well. There's some stuff the Chiefs do really well. Lots of that shit's gonna cancel out and in the end execution will likely prevail.
Just gotta have this team play mistake free and we got this. No Texans first quarter bullshit.

R Clark 01-31-2020 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 14762035)
The Bears game should scare the 49ers. The Bears D is close to being as good as the Niners, they were at home, and their D played really well, I thought. Chiefs receivers were NOT running wide open for the most part, and they were getting some pressure on Mahomes. None of it mattered though. Mahomes simply made plays.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14762397)
Sammy is far more important to this offense than many (most?) Planeteers would apparently like to admit.

Although he may not make a lot of "splash" plays, people seem to forget that splash plays are often created due to an accumulation of sprinkles elsewhere on the field.

Sammy Sprinkles has value.

As for Mahomes' deal, it seems to me that Clark's comments were transparent. Veach said from day 1 that they had a long term plan to handle Mahomes' contract and it wasn't going to be a surprise. Clark's 12-15 month timeline is telling. He's on the finance committee and I believe he's forecasting that the CBA negotiations are going to have a significant effect on Mahomes' contract and related timing.

I also believe that Mahomes will not try to break the bank on the Chiefs. Based on everything he's ever said (publicly), I get the strong impression that he would rather win for 10mm less than lose for 10mm more.

FAX
Good post right on

FloridaMan88 01-31-2020 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14762510)
Why in the name of Hank Stram's Groin Toupee would you guys give two damns about which team a bunch of idiot pundits pick to win?
I don't care, but it is interesting to see the trends in how the national media is picking the game.

Halfcan 01-31-2020 11:55 AM
Chiefs are destined to win this game and Mahomes is destined to be the youngest winning QB in a Superbowl. I feel it and I think the players do too.

FAX 01-31-2020 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762514)
Just thought it was interesting that I've seen nothing but 49ers fans say they were getting no respect.
I understand, but I don't know why they would say that, Mr. Mecca.

Although Mahomes has been getting a lot of love this week in Miami, the teevee peeps have been talking up the Niners a lot.

Yet, as we know, none of it means a damn thing in the end. Somebody is actually playing in the game ... and it isn't them.

The most interesting storyline for me has been the "Defense Wins Championships" plot. If one accepts that dogma, the Niners are in pretty good shape. (Mainly because the teevee peeps simply use season-long stat compilations that don't account for improvement during the year.)

However, I believe that "Defense Wins Championships" yarn was concocted long before the NFL made the rule changes that favored offense.

And, of course, Mahomes wasn't invented yet.

FAX

All22 01-31-2020 11:57 AM
Chris Simms and Kyle Shanahan are close friends. Kyle used to babysit CMC.

Frankly I think a lot of guys (i.e. Harrison) want Lynch to win to validate the movement from the broadcast booth to the front office.

mnchiefsguy 01-31-2020 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14761950)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Caught dan studying earlier this AM. Thought I’d share. Always appreciate the lil things your teammates / co workers do, aint no i in team &amp; once you realize it take small efforts, that add up. You know you on good team. <a href="https://t.co/5PycxYj7Xv">pic.twitter.com/5PycxYj7Xv</a></p>&mdash; Tyrann Mathieu (@Mathieu_Era) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mathieu_Era/status/1223241628552482816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
This is ****ing awesome.

DRM08 01-31-2020 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762514)
Just thought it was interesting that I've seen nothing but 49ers fans say they were getting no respect.
Of course it seems many of their fans expect to win by 20-30 points. So they view it as “no respect” when Vegas has the game as a toss-up.

New World Order 01-31-2020 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762465)
For 49ers fans thinking they're being disrespected..this is what I've seen in this last few days of Superbowl picks, feel free to add if you know any more.

49ers
Rodney Harrison
Chris Simms
Derrick Henry
Christian McCaffrey
Von Miller
Booger

Chiefs
Mike Florio
Marcus Spears
And the coverage of the pregame shows have been 75% 9ers.

We always get hosed.

Chris Meck 01-31-2020 12:07 PM
Burleson, Shrager, and Kyle what's his **** all picked the Chiefs.

Kay Adams picked the 9'ers.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-31-2020 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14762578)
Burleson, Shrager, and Kyle what's his **** all picked the Chiefs.

Kay Adams picked the 9'ers.
The least shocking news of the day as far as Adams goes.

I can’t blame anyone for picking either team though, it’s a great matchup.

wachashi 01-31-2020 12:10 PM
These are interesting:

Receiving Yards Vegas Odds

Travis Kelce: 86+ (+108)

Tyreek Hill: 86+ (+108)

Sammy Watkins: 59+ yards (+108)

Damien Williams: 41+ yards (-112)

Demarcus Robinson: 20+ yards (-114)

Mecole Hardman: 32+ yards (+112)

Chris Meck 01-31-2020 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14762586)
The least shocking news of the day as far as Adams goes.

I can’t blame anyone for picking either team though, it’s a great matchup.
I was surprised.

I thought for sure Burleson would go San Fran and Kay would pick the Chiefs since she's sort of a local.

Kman34 01-31-2020 12:12 PM
Listening to the radio there was some good points brought up..
The GB v 49er game boiled down to Rogers not taking care of the ball and giving the 9ers a short field... the GB defense giving a long TD run on 3rd down an 8... basically handing SF 17 points out of their 27 in the first half..
I Don’t see Mahomes turning the ball over and the defense playing as bad as GBs...

35-17 Chiefs..

DRM08 01-31-2020 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14762592)
I was surprised.

I thought for sure Burleson would go San Fran and Kay would pick the Chiefs since she's sort of a local.
She has picked against them a lot the last couple years.

Chris Meck 01-31-2020 12:14 PM
If The Chiefs don't beat themselves, they'll win this game.

The 49'ers need to not beat themselves, and for the Chiefs to beat themselves.

That's just how I see it.

I don't think their defense matches up well. I think our defense matches up much better than anyone's giving them credit for.

Mecca 01-31-2020 12:14 PM
LaDainain Tomlinson picked the Chiefs......actually sounded pretty intelligent saying Chris Jones can penetrate whenever he wants to and you destroy zone runs with penetration.

ToxSocks 01-31-2020 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762606)
LaDainain Tomlinson picked the Chiefs......actually sounded pretty intelligent saying Chris Jones can penetrate whenever he wants to and you destroy zone runs with penetration.
fapfapfapfapfap

DRM08 01-31-2020 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14762594)
Listening to the radio there was some good points brought up..
The GB v 49er game boiled down to Rogers not taking care of the ball and giving the 9ers a short field... the GB defense giving a long TD run on 3rd down an 8... basically handing SF 17 points out of their 27 in the first half..
I Don’t see Mahomes turning the ball over and the defense playing as bad as GBs...

35-17 Chiefs..
The center was guilty of a bad snap for one of the Green Bay turnovers. Hopefully the KC center does not choke on the big stage. He had one pretty bad snap against the Titans and KC was fortunate it did not cost them.

St. Patty's Fire 01-31-2020 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14762610)
The center was guilty of a bad snap for one of the Green Bay turnovers. Hopefully the KC center does not choke on the big stage. He had one pretty bad snap against the Titans and KC was fortunate it did not cost them.
Was watching Jt O Suillvan (ex QB) break down film of that game, and he put the blame on Rodgers for that fumbled snap. He also called him out for not going all out for the ball like Newton did in the Super Bowl. I agree with him on this.

Go to about 9:45 of this and he breaks it down. You can see on the replay that the center puts the ball in Rodgers hand perfectly but he just fumbles it for some reason.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnSU4drsPo

BlackOp 01-31-2020 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14762151)
Turnovers are huge for sure. KC needs to play as clean as possible.
So are penalties...NFL is about to showcase their new "golden boy" to a billion consumers.

This is the real start to the Mahomes decade...and cement him as an international superstar.

A few timely holding calls will put the 49ers behind the sticks...KC should have the scheme in place to force Jimmy Grape-licker to test the outside.

All22 01-31-2020 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14762606)
LaDainain Tomlinson picked the Chiefs......actually sounded pretty intelligent saying Chris Jones can penetrate whenever he wants to and you destroy zone runs with penetration.
But the Mostert TD running 3rd and 8 was a trap play so lol

Kyle runs a lot of trap and gap scheme runs for just that reason. That's the big difference between what we ran last year (which the Broncos, Packers, Vikings etc also run) and what we do this year.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-31-2020 12:25 PM
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The Franchise 01-31-2020 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14762628)
Was watching Jt O Suillvan (ex QB) break down film of that game, and he put the blame on Rodgers for that fumbled snap. He also called him out for not going all out for the ball like Newton did in the Super Bowl. I agree with him on this.

Go to about 9:45 of this and he breaks it down. You can see on the replay that the center puts the ball in Rodgers hand perfectly but he just fumbles it for some reason.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnSU4drsPo
And then Rodgers gives up.

ToxSocks 01-31-2020 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14762628)
Was watching Jt O Suillvan (ex QB) break down film of that game, and he put the blame on Rodgers for that fumbled snap. He also called him out for not going all out for the ball like Newton did in the Super Bowl. I agree with him on this.

Go to about 9:45 of this and he breaks it down. You can see on the replay that the center puts the ball in Rodgers hand perfectly but he just fumbles it for some reason.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnSU4drsPo
I rewatched as much of that Packers/9ers game as i could last night.

Not. Worried. At. All.

The Packers drove on that D just fine that game. It was the un-forced turnovers that ****ed them and that god-awful run D.

I know all these 9er fan bois are all excited and have that game fresh in their minds but i watched that shit thinking:

1. TROLOLOLOL our O-line is sooo much better than that trash group GB has

2. The Rodgers fumble and piss-ass throw completely took his team out of the game. That interception was just a lazy, bad throw. Wasn't even forced.

3. The Packers D-line ****ing sucks.

ToxSocks 01-31-2020 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14762639)
And then Rodgers gives up.
Rodgers has become very Cutler like. His body language is that of a man who just doesn't give a ****.

All22 01-31-2020 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14762628)
Was watching Jt O Suillvan (ex QB) break down film of that game, and he put the blame on Rodgers for that fumbled snap. He also called him out for not going all out for the ball like Newton did in the Super Bowl. I agree with him on this.

Go to about 9:45 of this and he breaks it down. You can see on the replay that the center puts the ball in Rodgers hand perfectly but he just fumbles it for some reason.

The QB school is great. I can only think of one other guy who breaks down film with that level of detail:

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMS0kIvZ8KRa9-5_GLKnMcjNv1Iq9_qq9

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-31-2020 12:31 PM
Tyreek can definitely make the Olympic team but he would need to lose about 15 pounds as he weighs 195 right now. Idk how Clark would feel about that

DRM08 01-31-2020 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14762628)
Was watching Jt O Suillvan (ex QB) break down film of that game, and he put the blame on Rodgers for that fumbled snap. He also called him out for not going all out for the ball like Newton did in the Super Bowl. I agree with him on this.

Go to about 9:45 of this and he breaks it down. You can see on the replay that the center puts the ball in Rodgers hand perfectly but he just fumbles it for some reason.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnSU4drsPo
He definitely gave up on that play. I don’t get the feeling he gives a damn these days. Honestly, did he ever really give a damn? Even in his prime he seemed to act like he wanted to do something other than play football.

All22 01-31-2020 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14762642)
Rodgers has become very Cutler like. His body language is that of a man who just doesn't give a ****.
Watch the Mic'd up. There whole team was just demoralized. They came into the game thinking the previous blowout was just an off day for them but really quickly they realized otherwise

New World Order 01-31-2020 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14762640)
I rewatched as much of that Packers/9ers game as i could last night.

Not. Worried. At. All.

The Packers drove on that D just fine that game. It was the un-forced turnovers that ****ed them and that god-awful run D.

I know all these 9er fan bois are all excited and have that game fresh in their minds but i watched that shit thinking:

1. TROLOLOLOL our O-line is sooo much better than that trash group GB has

2. The Rodgers fumble and piss-ass throw completely took his team out of the game. That interception was just a lazy, bad throw. Wasn't even forced.

3. The Packers D-line ****ing sucks.
WERE GOING TO KICK THEIR ASS!!!

Tonka83 01-31-2020 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14762642)
Rodgers has become very Cutler like. His body language is that of a man who just doesn't give a ****.
Apparently, Danica Patrick can wreck more than just cars.

wachashi 01-31-2020 12:44 PM
Packers Dline is basically what the Chiefs were last year. Amazing pass rushing unit, but really poor at defending the run. Niners exposed their biggest weakness two games in row.

St. Patty's Fire 01-31-2020 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14762640)
I rewatched as much of that Packers/9ers game as i could last night.

Not. Worried. At. All.

The Packers drove on that D just fine that game. It was the un-forced turnovers that ****ed them and that god-awful run D.

I know all these 9er fan bois are all excited and have that game fresh in their minds but i watched that shit thinking:

1. TROLOLOLOL our O-line is sooo much better than that trash group GB has

2. The Rodgers fumble and piss-ass throw completely took his team out of the game. That interception was just a lazy, bad throw. Wasn't even forced.

3. The Packers D-line ****ing sucks.
Totally agree with everything you said. Preston Smith got bullied in this game, it was an embarrassing performance from him. Zadarius was good but he was literally the only guy with a pulse on that Green Day D for most of the day. Their DBs were also taking craptastic angles at the second level which turned several first down runs into massive chunks.

Oh, and Green Bay has a first year head coach who got bodied by Shanarat. We have a HOF coach who lost his one Super Bowl chance to prime Belichick/Brady.

We got this.

St. Patty's Fire 01-31-2020 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14762642)
Rodgers has become very Cutler like. His body language is that of a man who just doesn't give a ****.
Ya, and everyone keeps sucking him off anyway. Those piss poor interceptions? Nah, not Aaron’s fault. His receiver is just a dummy who can’t run routes!

That seam ball pick was disastrous, and barely anyone called him out for it (should also note that the play design was very questionable and the video I posted breaks that down too).

Tribal Warfare 01-31-2020 01:04 PM
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