So Clark stepped on his dick, gave an extension with tons of rights for pioli and now that he wants to can his ass, pioli is using those rights to play hardball.

I want that sack of dirty dogshit to die in a plane crash, he's held us hostage for LONG ENOUGH!

Well, Kiffin is highly regarded as one of the greatest defensive coordinators in NFL history.

When he was defensive coordinator in Tampa for 13 seasons, his defenses finished in the top 10 in both points and yards allowed, 10x's.

Whether or not you like the Tampa 2 or 4-3, his success factor alone is something you may want to consider or open up to. The guy is as good as they come. Having an established def coordinator like this is a must for an offensive minded coach.

*I do not want to see shades of Dick Vermeil all over again. All offense and no defense. Hiring an establish def coordinator is equally as important as an offensive minded coach. I'd like to see balance and stability on both sides of the ball. What better people to have than Kiffin and Reid. Not only are they successful but they are consistent.

Tampa 2 or 4-3, who really cares? If what Kiffin does works and he is a master at it, then I'm taking that anyday week.

you fire him the exact second Reid says '.....pioli"

you snao your fingers and have that ****er killed...in front of Reid

You know what? **** it. Don't fire Pioli.

Make him become a part of the organization he built. Force him to go into a new parking lot and restrict his elevator access. Hire CIA security guards to keep him away from the field. Go into his office and find any trash lying around, then grill him in front of the entire office for not being clean enough. Wiretap his office. Then hire an incompetent executive assistant, and when he asks for her to be fired, tell him his only other option is Tyler Palko.

Oh, and make him a peanut butter jelly sandwich, and smear the bread with jelly.

kiffin is washed up and has been getting his ass fed to him in college

Something is obviously stopping him from firing him. Either he likes him and thinks he can still serve purpose or the buyout is large and the contract is iron clad.

Clark can get around that by getting Pioli's signature on these decisions. That's no problem.

However, it has to be a somewhat awkward situation for Dr. Evil. Honestly, I don't know why he hasn't just said, to hell with it and resigned. I cannot imagine the type of person who would tolerate what's going on here ... from power monger to pussified mealybug in one fell swoop.

FAX

The Tampa 2 is as outdated as Romeo's "bend and then break" 3-4. His defenses have been absolute dog shit the last few years.

I'd say he thinks he can stick around long enough or do enough to weasel his way back into power.

Guys with personalities like that, it's basically all they are about.

Agree but there could be 15mm reasons he might eat his own shit for 2 or 3 more seasons.... I know I would. I hope Clark makes him beg to accePt his resignation

So are you people saying that Kiffin is too old and the game has passed him by? Never thought of that.

And that right there is how you let a big fish off the hook.

Herm: When Pioli was hired, there was no evaluation done of Edwards. Clear from the start that the two wouldn't/couldn't work together.

So there goes that whole theory.

I'd imagine the "Pioli" business would have happened pretty early in talks with Reid.


Surely that's been ironed out.

I'm going with... "pioli has rights already given to him under a contract, and he's using them to stymie and scuttle"

That bitch tits mother ****er.

#1 - the personnel transition isn't worth it. DJ isn't the kind of Mike backer you want, so you'd have to hire an absolute stud. They'd have to find two not just okay, but elite Defensive Tackles which are difficult to find. They'd have to get another speedy outside linebacker (DJ would likely move back to OLB). And your safeties have to be elite -- they'd have to get a new one of those too.

And all to run a defense that is kind of like Romeo's -- still effective, but becoming obsolete. The traditional Tampa 2 has evolved, because spread teams can expose the scheme by spreading people way out. New Tampa 2 teams rely more heavily on blitzes to create pressure. Kiffin's scheme isn't going to be as effective as it was in the glory days.

Go for a guy with a more modern defense. More importantly, rather than force-fit a scheme, find a DC who knows how to make the scheme adapt to the players. It's the difference between hiring a guy who will sledgehammer your defense and rebuild, to a a guy who can make an effective scheme just by adding a few new pieces.

AKA Ron Rivera

And yet he was on the staff for 3 weeks after Pioli was fired.

This information just bolsters the idea that people are over-reacting to the fact that Pioli hasn't been fired yet.

Bingo

Nah ... things wouldn't have gotten this far had Pioli and his stupid contract represented any sort of legal obstacle in terms of bringing in a coach who demands player personnel control.

It isn't that ... can't be. It has to be some other reason. I wish I had a copy of Pioli's deal in my hands so I could figure this out. It's very puzzling.

FAX

Yet that put us behind on a new coach.


Thats what worries me. It's not that they "might" keep him on, it's the damage of the time thats going by.

I will say, the longer this draws out, the less confident I'm feeling. Not ready to jump off a bridge yet, but this needs to get done.

It's not that the Tampa 2 is outdated scheme-wise. It just doesn't work in the current NFL which revolves around QBs. Teams have to spend money on e QB and then build around him. The Tampa 2, in terms of the salary cap, is EXTREMELY expensive.

Yep.

My guess is that we're looking at a presser on Monday to announce Reid. If he's smart, Clark will make an announcement earlier in the day about Pioli's dismissal and take some questions. Make sure that everything negative and soured is off the table and accounted for by the time that Reid speaks.

Reid's initial presser should be almost nothing but positives. Looking forward, no looking back at shit stains like Pioli.

What damage is going to get done?

Reid is nearly a done deal and part of that was him getting control and bringing in his own GM.

Scott Pioli isn't in any position to do any "damage".

It didn't put us behind because there was no evaluation. What put us behind is the fact that Pioli is really, really bad at his job.

At this point, this much should be evident.

So i hope the Packers Dorsey comes here...be huge i think

The fact that Reid is reportedly being able to build and bring in everything from the ground up, with his new GM, Pioli would be the only one kept around.


I don't see that happening.

I haven't been able to keep up with this today. What the **** is the hold up?

Exactly. We just need to be patient.

If only it were that easy!:)

I'm figuring that it has something to do with what GM is going to come with Reid.

Pioli has to be the hold up

Yeah, I'm just ready to get it done.

Not sure but all signs point to the need to fire Pioli first.

Yeah, I bet they're in contact with who's coming in.

Nah. Be patient. Sounds like Clark has passed the point of no return. He can't let Reid go now over A) money, or B) Pioli.

Either Clark will negotiate with Pioli to accept a reduced role, or he'll negotiate to have him leave. That's probably what is taking time. Either way, Reid comes here with a lot of control.

Yep. Work with the personnel we have on this team. Don't just show up and try to cram them into the shape you are used to. We just need to fill a few holes. I don't think the 3-4 is the issue.

Zero chance that Pioli is retained.

I just don't see a reduced role for Pioli. With his personality, I don't think that happens.

Varys is gone guys. Probably already in touch with BB about an underling role as we speak.

Then he's gone. Even better.

Varys?

It's the new CP meme. It's from "Game of Thrones."

Clark must be really pissed\hates Pioli to keep him on as a highly paid janitor.

Clayton just said Reid to KC, Pioli out, Chip Kelly to Cleveland. All done deals by the weekend.

You can hear the audio here when they post it.

http://mynorthwest.com/category/spor...old Hard Facts

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Totally dehydrated at this point.

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This.

It still gives me a sick feeling to know Pioli is getting out of here with millions and millions of dollars of Hunt money, unearned.

Just makes me want to puke.

If he's being paid to leave, I'd say that's the most well-deserved money he's earned from Hunt, actually.

No ****ing way. He'll, I will chip in a few bucks of my own money to watch him leave.

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Yep, that's money he actually earned.

I posted why in the other thread. Not reposting here.

WTF do we have two threads? This is stupid.

There's only one thread. They merged them.

What does he say about Pioli? Huge buyout? Whats the holdup?

The former GM that Clark eunuched in front of the whole nation.

finally

Excuse me while I go masturbate. About 10 times. PBJ

One thread is for the retreads, the other for the smart people.

UPDATE: Nothing official yet as of Thursday afternoon, but the Reid-Chiefs pairing remains on the verge of happening. There is an update on the men he'll bring along as co-workers however: ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reports that Reid is not demanding that Tom Heckert come along as his GM, via sources. Those sources also indicate that Green Bay's director of operations, John Dorsey, is also on Reid's wish list for GM in K.C.
This is on ESPN

Can you go ahead and repost or link it? I know having two threads sucks but this is just as bad - there's thousands of posts. ROFL

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Since you are in here, so this is the reerun one?

The other thread lost its burst anyway.

I don't see merged posts
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Whichever thread I'm in is the dumb one.

Combine the two threads. Whats the problem?

It is true that Andy Reid didn't call the plays for the last few years. Marty did, who is awful. Reid and Marty have identical offensive philosophies though, so they are like a hive mind. So it was basically Andy Reid's offense.

Will someone please find out if theres really news crews outside at arrowhead right now

What's the problem with just taking two seconds to ****ing post the info again?

JFC.

Click on user's name -> Find more post by user

There's thousands of posts in this thread, I can't find it. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

You know what that does to the server?

well Vick played a huge prank on you guys with that mirage year where he looked like an unstoppable force of a manchild QB

lazy shits.:)

Vermeil advises Reid to take KC job.
 

A lot of us would rather have Childress calling plays. Good thing or bad thing?

Pioli is probably holding on as long as possible until a job opens up in Atlanta or New England.