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Mr. Plow 10-15-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7996697)
Why would they go to the effort to remove it otherwise? From what I've heard from people at the game, it sounds like they really had to carve up the ground to remove the logo.


Why would they go through the effort of removing it NOW....you know, while they are still members of the Big 12 and in the middle of the year?

I could understand after they have officially left the Big 12, but now?

Saul Good 10-15-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 7996742)
Why would they go through the effort of removing it NOW....you know, while they are still members of the Big 12 and in the middle of the year?

I could understand after they have officially left the Big 12, but now?

Hopefully it's because there's an announcement coming at homecoming tonight.

notorious 10-15-2011 03:00 PM

Bye.

KChiefs1 10-15-2011 03:02 PM

Mike Kelly just openly mocked Texas in the radio broadcast! Hilarious!

Bowser 10-15-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7996750)
Mike Kelly just openly mocked Texas in the radio broadcast! Hilarious!

What'd he say?

Stewie 10-15-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7996750)
Mike Kelly just openly mocked Texas in the radio broadcast! Hilarious!

Really? That's crazy! Because MU is the Overlord of all things big-time football! Texas doesn't give a shit about MU... and as far as I can tell the SEC will let the little unknown sister in.

Saul Good 10-15-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 7996868)
Really? That's crazy! Because MU is the Overlord of all things big-time football! Texas doesn't give a shit about MU... and as far as I can tell the SEC will let the little unknown sister in.

KU fans really don't care about Mizzou. No inferiority complex to see here.

Mr_Tomahawk 10-15-2011 04:22 PM

Well if the logo removal is a sign that they are moving on, they forgot to remove it from their university website... :rolleyes:

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/...strategery.jpg

KChiefs1 10-15-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 7996753)
What'd he say?

Something about Austin being the center of the universe.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7996877)
KU fans really don't care about Mizzou. No inferiority complex to see here.

Why would KU fans have an inferiority complex about Mizzou? In Mizzou's best football season in a half-century, KU ended up going to a better bowl. Are we supposed to be in awe of all of Gary Pinkel's current mediocrity and partial success?

That, of course, isn't even mentioning Mizzou's failings in basketball, which is really the only sport anybody cares about at KU.

Saul Good 10-15-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7996934)
Why would KU fans have an inferiority complex about Mizzou? In Mizzou's best football season in a half-century, KU ended up going to a better bowl.

I thought that year, the best season in KU football history, Mizzou beat KU's asses and finished the season ranked higher while KU finished third in the conference.

SPchief 10-15-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7996934)
I'm gonna go ahead and rehash the same shit that we always talk about over and over

FYP

Saul Good 10-15-2011 04:45 PM

Speaking of bowl games, will this be your 5th straight season not making any or just your 5th?

Discuss Thrower 10-15-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 7996989)
That's one way to word that. Another is that in the best season that KU football ever had and ever will have, they still lost to MU, finished in 3rd place behind MU, ended the season ranked behind MU just like every other season. And that extra money they got from the Orange Bowl? That was spent buying out Mangino's contract and the football program is back to being a complete joke and won't even win a conference game this year.

... there's a silver lining in even the darkest of clouds.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7996954)
I thought that year, the best season in KU football history, Mizzou beat KU's asses and finished the season ranked higher while KU finished third in the conference.

Orange Bowl.

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Speaking of bowl games, will this be your 5th straight season not making any or just your 5th?
Don't know, I don't worry about it. KU is a basketball school.

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Originally Posted by SPChief
FYP

I'm just wondering what KU fans should feel inferior about. If anything, I've noticed there's a major complex the other way.

Saul Good 10-15-2011 05:11 PM

KU has the worst team in D-1 in the most popular sport in the country. You should feel inferior to every other team because you are.

baitism 10-15-2011 05:13 PM

Going to be rough on you this winter because even your basketball team looks like it is way down.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7996997)
KU has the worst team in D-1 in the most popular sport in the country. You should feel inferior to every other team because you are.

This is like bragging that the Toronto Blue Jays are better than the Kansas City Royals. Who gives a shit?

Saul Good 10-15-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7997006)
This is like bragging that the Toronto Blue Jays are better than the Kansas City Royals. Who gives a shit?

Evidently the SEC gives a shit.

I can't wait to see OU shitstomp the Hawks on ESPN tonight.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 7997005)
Going to be rough on you this winter because even your basketball team looks like it is way down.

If by way down, you mean the B12 favorite and a virtual lock to make the tournament like every season under Bill Self. Very down, indeed.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-15-2011 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7996993)
Orange Bowl.

Don't know, I don't worry about it. KU is a basketball school.


I'm just wondering what KU fans should feel inferior about. If anything, I've noticed there's a major complex the other way.

The Beakers getting that bid was a crime and an absolute joke.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7997010)
Evidently the SEC gives a shit.

I don't. The majority of KU fans don't. That was the point.

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I can't wait to see OU shitstomp the Hawks on ESPN tonight.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Obsessed. I doubt I'll watch any of it, it's game 6 of the ALCS tonight.

Frazod 10-15-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 7996989)
That's one way to word that. Another is that in the best season that KU football ever had and ever will have, they still lost to MU, finished in 3rd place behind MU, ended the season ranked behind MU just like every other season. And that extra money they got from the Orange Bowl? That was spent buying out Mangino's contract and the football program is back to being a complete joke and won't even win a conference game this year.

That pretty much sums it up, other to say that had I driven to Kansas City to watch that KU/MU game and Missouri lost, it would have easily been the darkest ****ing day of my life. I don't know how anybody can compare beating another fraud they have zero history with in an overhyped game that THEY ALL KNOW they didn't deserve to be in the first place, to beating your most hated rival in the biggest game they ever played against each other.

Whatever makes clowns like KCC and Wickedson happy, though. Personally, I'll take the W.

Saul Good 10-15-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7997022)
I don't. The majority of KU fans don't. That was the point.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. Obsessed. I doubt I'll watch any of it, it's game 6 of the ALCS tonight.

I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.

Frazod 10-15-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7997032)
I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.

I think I'll watch just for the comedic value.

SPchief 10-15-2011 05:22 PM

This is the song that never ends, It goes on and on my friends

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7997028)
That pretty much sums it up, other to say that had I driven to Kansas City to watch that KU/MU game and Missouri lost, it would have easily been the darkest ****ing day of my life. I don't know how anybody can compare beating another fraud they have zero history with in an overhyped game that THEY ALL KNOW they didn't deserve to be in the first place, to beating your most hated rival in the biggest game they ever played against each other.

Whatever makes clowns like KCC and Wickedson happy, though. Personally, I'll take the W.

I would have taken the W too, but my comment is about giving perspective.

Bragging about Mizzou being a better football program than KU is like me coming to this forum and bragging that the Jays regularly win 80 games a season rather than the Royals' 65. Are Royals fans going to care? Hell no, they'd laugh.

There is no inferiority complex here, there's no reason for one.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7997032)
I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.

What's the line at? 40?

Old Dog 10-15-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7997042)
What's the line at? 40?

Currently 35x

Frazod 10-15-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7997040)
I would have taken the W too, but my comment is about giving perspective.

Bragging about Mizzou being a better football program than KU is like me coming to this forum and bragging that the Jays regularly win 80 games a season rather than the Royals' 65. Are Royals fans going to care? Hell no, they'd laugh.

There is no inferiority complex here, there's no reason for one.

I must have missed the part where people from Kansas City once burned Toronto to the ground. And apparently I'm shocked to learn that Missouri and Ontario share a common border! Wow, who knew?

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7997046)
I must have missed the part where people from Kansas City once burned Toronto to the ground. And apparently I'm shocked to learn that Missouri and Ontario share a common border! Wow, who knew?

You confuse me with someone that hates Mizzou fans simply because of the state they are from.

Frazod 10-15-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7997052)
You confuse me with someone that hates Mizzou fans simply because of the state they are from.

Yeah, sure.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7997053)
Yeah, sure.

I'm from Canada. We don't hate anybody.

Brock 10-15-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7997046)
I must have missed the part where people from Kansas City once burned Toronto to the ground. And apparently I'm shocked to learn that Missouri and Ontario share a common border! Wow, who knew?

Uh....is this a little bit more than a sports rivalry for you? LMAO

Bowser 10-15-2011 05:38 PM

To be fair, it was post 4989 that set off the latest round of MU/KU pissing match.

Frazod 10-15-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7997059)
Uh....is this a little bit more than a sports rivalry for you? LMAO

It was mainly just me debunking his bullshit analogy.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7997070)
It was mainly just me debunking his bullshit analogy.

You didn't debunk anything. The analogy was about mediocrity.

CoMoChief 10-15-2011 06:20 PM

ROFL

MU 3-14 all time vs. Self's Jayhawks

Gee...thought a rivalry was supposed to be competitive.

If MU does go to the SEC, it will be fun to watch another blue blood pound their shit in year after year in bball.

Titty Meat 10-15-2011 06:21 PM

Como brings up a sport that doesn't count. Wanna give us Mizzou's record vs KU in baseball while you're at it?

Mr. Plow 10-15-2011 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7996744)
Hopefully it's because there's an announcement coming at homecoming tonight.


I'm curious, did aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado announce they were leaving mid year and then removing anything that would indicate they were still a member of the Big 12? Because regardless of the announcement, MU is at least a member of the Big 12 until mid next year.....as is aTm.

kstater 10-15-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 7997152)
I'm curious, did aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado announce they were leaving mid year and then removing anything that would indicate they were still a member of the Big 12? Because regardless of the announcement, MU is at least a member of the Big 12 until mid next year.....as is aTm.

Nubbs started changing all their signage on campus July 1, the day they officially joined the Big 10.

Saul Good 10-15-2011 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 7997152)
I'm curious, did aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado announce they were leaving mid year and then removing anything that would indicate they were still a member of the Big 12? Because regardless of the announcement, MU is at least a member of the Big 12 until mid next year.....as is aTm.

Mid next year?

Mr. Plow 10-15-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7997183)
Mid next year?


As in mid 2012 when MU would OFFICIALLY be a member of the SEC. I don't think it was that hard to figure out.

Mr. Plow 10-15-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7997156)
Nubbs started changing all their signage on campus July 1, the day they officially joined the Big 10.


So, what you're saying is that they didn't start removing the Big 12 logo BEFORE they were members of the Big 10. I'm shocked.....shocked I tell you.

KC_Connection 10-15-2011 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Dog (Post 7997045)
Currently 35x

Looks like he should have bet on KU.

WilliamTheIrish 10-16-2011 08:23 AM

Covering up the logo and removing the flags of the Big 12 teams?

Oh, you MU rebels. Nice win yesterday though.

KChiefs1 10-16-2011 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7996715)
Maybe. I have read that they did not want the game starting at 11:10 because of the homecoming parade, activities, etc. Not sure what not having the logos on the field means. With no TV, maybe they did not want to pay for the extra grounds keeping? Maybe they are sending a message to the Big XII? Both of those seem unlikely to me.

The reason it wasn't a Big XII broadcast is because we forfeit all of our TV money when we leave anyway, but we still hold our rights and they can't broadcast without our permission. I would bet a good pile of cash that we are threatening to hold back broadcast of more games if they don't settle with us for an agreeable amount.

Saul Good 10-16-2011 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 7998165)
Covering up the logo and removing the flags of the Big 12 teams?

Oh, you MU rebels. Nice win yesterday though.

You too. Snyder is a freak of nature. Going to be 7-0 when you play OU after your bye next week.

KcMizzou 10-16-2011 10:04 AM

Dave_Matter Dave Matter
#mizzou tells me Big 12 logo will return to the grass berms next week. No conspiracy theory.

KChiefs1 10-16-2011 11:25 AM

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Sunday, Oct 16, 2011

Regional differences complicate the question of Mizzou’s conference future

By KENT BABB and RUSTIN DODD

The Kansas City Star

CAPE GIRARDEAU, Mo. | Three men crouch along the waterfront, two of them balancing a level while another chips away old concrete and gravel from the riverwalk stairs. Their supervisor is standing nearby.

These are some of the men building Missouri, and for the better part of the last year, they’ve worked on a project to upgrade the floodwall that protects Cape Girardeau from the Mississippi River, one of the nation’s great transport lanes and crossroads. On this day, the men chatter about college sports and, as the nation waits for the University of Missouri to choose a conference — staying in the Big 12 or jumping to the Southeastern Conference or even the Big Ten — where their home state fits best.

“Each section of Missouri is its own little state,” says Stacy Langston, 34, the supervisor and a native Missourian. “Southeast Missouri is its complete own state. It’s just completely different anywhere you go.”

Across the river is Illinois, perhaps the center of the Midwest, and downriver a few dozen miles are the borders of Kentucky, Tennessee and Arkansas — the threshold to the South. To these workers’ backs, past the state’s western border, are the flatlands and cattle ranches of the Great Plains and the West.

Cape Girardeau is a junction city in a junction state, Missouri fitting partially in each of these regions but perfectly in none. There are contrasting personalities, cultures and ways of life in the state’s far reaches. Neighbors here — from the cotton fields of the Bootheel and corn farms in the state’s north to the rolling Ozark Mountains and the big cities on Missouri’s eastern and western borders — sometimes feel more like strangers.

“That’s one of the fun things,” Gov. Jay Nixon says, “about governing in the state of Missouri: You have to weave together a very complicated fabric in order to move forward.”

When the university decides on a conference, many residents are certain to feel alienated. It won’t be the first time this state has been an awkward fit. A century and a half ago, Missouri was a border state in the Civil War, when neighbors battled because the state fit both Union and Confederate philosophies.

“Coming from southern Missouri, it’s incredibly different from northern Missouri,” says Cabool, Mo., native Tymon Bay, 24, a law student at the University of Missouri and the son of a history teacher. “We like things the way we like it; they like it the way they like it. … We don’t want to be told what to do.”

For now, the university is taking its time deciding which conference feels most like home — and which might offer the best deal. There are, of course, money and politics in play. But it has at least given the state’s residents something to talk about, and reason to debate where Missouri belongs.

As a freight barge glides north on the Mississippi, these four workers talk about this state’s, and therefore their own, identity. Langston, the supervisor, hopes MU jumps to the SEC; his colleague Jason Goben, 32, would prefer the Tigers remain loyal to the Big 12.

This is sometimes what it’s like to be a Missourian.

• • •

KENNETT, Mo. | Jason Chandler stands in the early afternoon sun, cotton lint clinging to his St. Louis Cardinals hat as he watches two industrial cotton pickers cut paths in a 120-acre field. It’s harvest time in the western corner of Missouri’s Bootheel, where the tea is sweet, the barbecued pork is topped with coleslaw, and the residents speak with a drawl that seems borrowed from the Mississippi Delta.

“We’ve got our own language around here,” says Chandler, 31.

In the southernmost tip of the state, it’s possible to grow cotton, a crop that’s foreign to most of Missouri. Chandler says he hopes to harvest about 6,000 bales this year; each bale can hold more than two tons of unginned cotton. He said Missouri residents north of here can say what they want about the state being Midwestern or part of the Plains.

This, he says, is the South. There’s a sense of community in Kennett, population 12,000, that places outside the region seem to lack.

“It seems like when you get around there to St. Louis,” he says, “it just changes some.”

A few miles from here, the lunch crowd gathers at Kennett Country Club. The table in the rear corner is packed every Tuesday through Friday. On most afternoons, the conversation turns to sports, and this day is no different. Digging into the Tuesday special, hamburger steak and grilled onions, the friends needle each other about the Cardinals, who reached the playoffs only after a late-season turnaround.

“Well,” says Terry Whitlock, who runs a roofing outfit, “I know somebody who just gave up this year.”

“You’re damn right I did,” lawyer Mark Pelts says. “I was ready to have the funeral.”

They laugh together for a long time.

“We’ll argue about anything,” Pelts says.

One thing here that’s not up for debate is the conference that suits MU best. Many Bootheel residents identify with the SEC; after all, the universities of Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama are closer to Kennett than Mizzou, whose campus is 320 miles from here.

Of the seven voting members of the Missouri Board of Curators who will eventually vote on a conference destination, two — Judith Haggard and Don Downing — are Kennett natives. The men here hope their influence carries and the board votes to send MU to the SEC.

“We’re a long way from Columbia,” says Pelts, who earned an undergraduate degree from MU.

Pelts boasts that Kennett lies south of the Mason-Dixon Line. This is a part of Missouri that, at least based on the representation at this table, remains uncomfortable with the idea of an outside aggressor deciding its destiny.

“If you’re going to let Oklahoma and Texas control you,” says Brandon Rouse, an optometrist, “and if they end up jumping ship in a couple years, then what have you done?”

• • •

CROSS TIMBERS, Mo. | Brent Lower leans over his next patient as the sound of rattling metal and nervous moaning echoes through the dusty barn.

Lower is talking casually, a little country chatter flying as he slides a long plastic glove onto his left arm. In a second, he will plunge his hand into the hindquarters of a 2,000-pound Simmental bull. Drool will leak from the beast’s mouth.

“Ah, you big wuss,” says Lower, a large-animal veterinarian from Humansville.

It’s semen-testing day at the Lucas Cattle Co., a ranching operation in the idyllic hills of southwest Missouri. It’s not quite the plains, but the barbed wire, hay bales and grazing cattle paint a picture of frontier life — more like Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas, Big 12 states.

“If you don’t like the people you’re around, it’s a long day,” says Cleo Fields, a herdsman from Cross Timbers.

This is Hickory County, Field says, population 8,000, where young men like Jeff Reed, 31, and Brandon Atkins, 33, wake up early, pull on a dark blue pair of Wranglers and start an 80-hour work week.

As the morning turns into afternoon, the conversation drifts from sports to kids … and back to sports.

Lower graduated from Mizzou in the early 1990s, and this talk about the SEC is enough for him to pause for a moment.

“It ain’t a done deal yet,” he says, slowly removing the plastic sleeve from his arm.

The SEC is a whole different animal, Lower adds, and it’s not entirely clear if he’s still talking about football.

This is about history, he says. He never missed a game when he was in school. The Mizzou fight song is still designated as his ring tone; his daughter Kaylee used to use it as her lullaby, he says.

When Mizzou lost at Oklahoma last month, it stung Lower. He doesn’t care much for KU either.

Life would be different in towns like Cross Timbers and Humansville if Mizzou couldn’t maintain rivalries with their neighbors to the west: states and people that share a way of life. Lower might need new barbs if the Tigers start playing Florida instead of Texas.

“These bulls are the equivalent of the whole offensive line at one Big 12 school,” Lower says. “By golly, if we could draft these bulls to go to Columbia, we’d have everything set.”

• • •

MARYVILLE, Mo. | If stability is what Missouri is looking for in a conference, it doesn’t have to look far to see what it looks like.

Things in Nodaway County have been done a particular way for generations. The calendar revolves around corn, football and family — sometimes in that order.

At Maryville High School on Friday nights, parents watch their sons, then drive their cars straight toward the Northwest Missouri State campus to claim a coveted parking spot for the Saturday morning tailgate party that will begin just hours later. Townspeople still meet at the grocery store early mornings to drink coffee and talk football.

“This is a football town,” says Paul Snow, the athletic director at Maryville High.

Over 17 years at Northwest Missouri State, Mel Tjeerdsma built a championship program with tough-minded boys who grew up nearby in football-loving communities where farming provided a backdrop for life.

One of them was Adam Dorrel, who grew up in Nodaway County, played football for Maryville High and later, Tjeerdsma. Now he’s the coach, taking over after Scott Bostwick, Tjeerdsma’s replacement, died in June.

Sitting in his office, Dorrel points to the back wall, black-and-white photos decorating the canvas. There are stories in those photos, he says. One shows Northwest’s original football team from 1908.

The fullback is Dorrel’s great-grandfather.

• • •

ST. LOUIS | Two men walk quickly from a side door at Busch Stadium, hurrying out after another busy day. Tyrone Armstrong, 32, and Clarence Chaney, 31, are cooks here, and even on a day with no game, there’s plenty to do.

The hum of lawn mowers fills the air. The fountains at Kiener Plaza are dyed Cardinal red, and banners have been hung from doorways and poles. Workers scurry on a cloudless day to prepare the stadium for the Cardinals’ next game in the National League playoffs, which isn’t for another two days. The buzz, though, arrived early.

“The Cardinals in St. Louis,” Chaney says as he passes, “it just overshadows everything.”

It would seem there’s too much going on among the city’s three professional sports franchises to spend much time wondering where Mizzou belongs. But some have an opinion.

During the midafternoon, a family walks around Busch Stadium’s perimeter, stopping to inspect statues of former players. Andy Toennies, 45, has been following the realignment saga, but the only thing that makes sense to him is for MU to ditch the Big 12 and do what many wanted to happen a year ago: join the Big Ten. This might be the Gateway to the West, but in this banking capital and home to high-dollar universities, there aren’t many reminders of frontier life.

“Texas and Oklahoma,” Toennies says, heading toward a giant statue of Stan Musial, “they’re not really part of our fabric.”

St. Louis was, for years, home to its own Border Showdown football game against Illinois. Toennies says interest peaked then, but the game at the Edward Jones Dome was discontinued after last year. In the time since, college sports have become mostly an afterthought. He says he hears how it is on the opposite side of the state. But, he says, it’s just different here.

“People talk about it,” says Kevin Liese, 41, a bartender at Jack Patrick’s, “but it’s not a giant deal.”

• • •

KANSAS CITY | They still come to the red steakhouse on Genessee Street, hauling the decades-old memories with them.

Some tell of spending a night at the Golden Ox after selling cattle for hours with their fathers. Some tell of days spent around basketball and bitter rivals.

“I wish I had all the stories written somewhere,” says Bill Teel, a co-owner of the restaurant, which sits connected to the old Kansas City Livestock Exchange Building in the heart of the West Bottoms.

After 62 years, the Golden Ox is still here in a neighborhood of change. The bottoms were once home to the Kansas City stockyards, millions of cattle herded through each year. They shut down in 1991.

This place was also home to the Big Eight, then Big 12 men’s basketball tournament at Kemper Arena, where Missouri and Kansas would do battle just a block from the state line. The tournament is now played up the hill in the Sprint Center. But if Missouri moves to the SEC, it could leave Kansas City for good.

The threat of Mizzou’s departure is so potentially damaging to Kansas City that the mayor took time to send MU Chancellor Brady Deaton a personal plea for the Tigers to stay. The tournament is worth an estimated $14 million to the local economy.

“We believe this region,” Sly James wrote, “collectively values University of Missouri athletics — has, does and will — to a degree that won’t be replicated elsewhere.”

Basketball left the bottoms in 2005, but the conversation at the bar inside the Golden Ox drifts from the economy to college sports on a recent late afternoon. The bartender moves to his right, revealing the image of five small stickers on an aging cash register: two for Mizzou, two for KU and one in support of sheet metal workers.

Teel believes that the Golden Ox can endure, a symbol of Kansas City’s heritage in a time when money and progress can uproot institutions.

“It’s good that things change,” Teel says. “And it’s good that there are new things. But it’s also good that you have tradition.”

• • •

COLUMBIA | Students walk from here to there during lunchtime at the Francis Quadrangle. These are the ones being pulled in all directions by what Missouri is and what it should be.

Not for the first time, this state is involved in a tug-of-war. Students from Missouri’s far reaches have grown up in different ways, in different cultures, with different belief systems about what’s important. Now they have converged at the state’s center, on this campus, with corresponding opinions on the direction that best fits MU.

“We’re so deeply rooted in the Big 12, just like history-wise,” says Turner Davis, 21, a Lee’s Summit native, “and it would just feel like we’re betraying our roots.”

“I would rather them go to the Big Ten than anything,” says Caleb Hartzell, 19, who’s from St. Louis.

“There’s somebody, some third person saying: ‘We’re going to tell you guys how to do it,’ which is essentially what Texas is,” says Bay, the MU law student from southern Missouri. “… The smart thing, I think, right now is definitely to be considering trying to get into the SEC.”

They debate MU’s direction, the same as they do in their hometowns, at local eateries and offices and classrooms. What’s next for MU? It might not be a perfect fit anywhere, but which conference — and region of the country — seems the most natural?

“Mr. Mizzou” sits in his office late in the afternoon, shaking his head at the possibility of another period of uncertainty for his home state. John Kadlec is 82 now, and he has traveled all over Missouri — as an athlete, a broadcaster and now an ambassador for the university. He doesn’t see the point of MU leaving the Big 12.

While the state’s residents wait for Deaton and the Board of Curators to make a decision, some have begun to lobby school officials to go their way. Kadlec spends some of his hours now trying to talk boosters out of pulling their donations if MU leaves — or doesn’t. He says a significant donor of nearly 30 years, a St. Louis resident, called him recently and said that, if the school joins the SEC, he would no longer give.

“It’s all about money,” Kadlec says, trailing off.

A moment later, he begins telling a story.

“Maybe I’m a traditionalist. Probably I am,” Kadlec says. “I like tradition.”

The story is about a friend of Kadlec’s who lived in Columbia for about 15 years, and through many of those years, he spoke frequently about moving back to Springfield. Sure enough, the man moved there and found that his friendships from 15 years earlier had faded; the image of change was far better than its actuality. Before long, the man moved back to Columbia to resume a life he hadn’t appreciated, a kind of comfort he hadn’t noticed.

“You go someplace,” Kadlec says, shifting the conversation back to MU’s decision, “and you realize maybe that’s not what you should’ve done.”

The sun is beginning to set in Columbia on the Wednesday of homecoming week. Perhaps this week more than any other, Missouri’s diverse representation will visit, and many of them will share opinions on where their school belongs. Luke Arnzen, a 25-year-old manager at Shakespeare’s Pizza, hears some of the chatter.

“I just want Mizzou,” says Arnzen, who’s from Cape Girardeau, “to find a home.”





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Reaper16 10-16-2011 11:51 AM

Goddamnit, Baab. I'm writing an essay about that very subject.

|Zach| 10-16-2011 11:52 AM

That was an interesting read.

KChiefs1 10-16-2011 01:43 PM

Missouri is probably the most diverse state in the union.

Titty Meat 10-16-2011 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 7998165)
Covering up the logo and removing the flags of the Big 12 teams?

Oh, you MU rebels. Nice win yesterday though.

*Confederate Rebels

kstater 10-16-2011 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7998704)
Missouri is probably the most diverse state in the union.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/95...if-serious.jpg

KChiefs1 10-16-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7998726)

Should I have said the confederacy? :p

kstater 10-16-2011 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7998743)
Should I have said the confederacy? :p

I'm trying to figure out if you're saying the difference between redneck and hillbilly counts as diversity.

Raiderhater 10-16-2011 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7998765)
I'm trying to figure out if you're saying the difference between redneck and hillbilly counts as diversity.


LOL

KChiefs1 10-16-2011 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7998765)
I'm trying to figure out if you're saying the difference between redneck and hillbilly counts as diversity.

Like hick vs farmer?

Reerun_KC 10-16-2011 05:43 PM

Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

Bambi 10-16-2011 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC (Post 7999509)
Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

They removed the Big 12 logos.

The deal is done.

alnorth 10-16-2011 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC (Post 7999509)
Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

If there was any news, then a google news search for the words "missouri" and "sec" would blow up with results

kstater 10-16-2011 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC (Post 7999509)
Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

Missouri refused TV coverage so they could throw a parade and announce their move.

Pablo 10-16-2011 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7997032)
I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.

How'd that work out for you?

Bowser 10-16-2011 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7999530)
Missouri refused TV coverage so they could throw a parade and announce their move.

Mizzou is ****ing bad ass like that.

KcMizzou 10-16-2011 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo (Post 7999609)
How'd that work out for you?

47-17 and KU covered the spread? Really?

That's hilarious.

Pablo 10-16-2011 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 7999620)
47-17 and KU covered the spread? Really?

That's hilarious.

Line was at 35 last I checked.

O/U was like 72.

Saul Good 10-16-2011 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo (Post 7999628)
Line was at 35 last I checked.

O/U was like 72.

I got it at 33.5. Glad I didn't put more on it. I almost bet big. Wound up losing $50 because of that stupid fumble.

mikeyis4dcats. 10-16-2011 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7998167)
The reason it wasn't a Big XII broadcast is because we forfeit all of our TV money when we leave anyway, but we still hold our rights and they can't broadcast without our permission. I would bet a good pile of cash that we are threatening to hold back broadcast of more games if they don't settle with us for an agreeable amount.

uh, no.

mikeyis4dcats. 10-16-2011 07:34 PM

BYU still an option
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...oing.html?pg=1

ArrowheadHawk 10-16-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8000051)

Sign em up.

baitism 10-16-2011 07:48 PM

That would be too many religious nutters.

Saul Good 10-16-2011 07:56 PM

Why are we looking to add another team when we've got an even number? Who would be the 12th team?

ArrowheadHawk 10-16-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8000151)
Why are we looking to add another team when we've got an even number? Who would be the 12th team?

I think the invite would be contingent on MU leaving.

Saul Good 10-16-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 8000158)
I think the invite would be contingent on MU leaving.

MU is leaving?

ArrowheadHawk 10-16-2011 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8000161)
MU is leaving?

They haven't confirmed they are staying yet.

notorious 10-16-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8000161)
MU is leaving?

They are about to jettison a pile of waste known as the Big 12, or so I've heard.

BWillie 10-16-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8000151)
Why are we looking to add another team when we've got an even number? Who would be the 12th team?

why do ppl care if there is an even number? The Big 10 had 11 teams for a long time, and they did just fine.

If you read between the lines in that article, it seems to suggest if and once Missouri goes to SEC, BYU will be invited. At least that is what I get out of it. I think the Big 12 doesn't want to add an 11th team because it will mean they have to share revenue 11-ways, and teams will get less. They need that 10th team to secure their current contract w/ Fox or whatever. That sucks for the Big 12 because even if the teams got less money, it would be in their long term interest to invite Louisville, WVU, and maybe UCF for stability.

alnorth 10-16-2011 08:21 PM

Either way, we are probably headed to 12 regardless. We are waiting on MU now, but there are too many people in the Big 12 who want to go to 12, that it looks like even Texas has seen the writing on the wall with their comment that they "are open" to expanding to 12.

BWillie 10-16-2011 08:24 PM

How come nobody is interested in getting UCF or/and USF to join the Big 12? Those are huge schools in terms of enrollment, and you bring the Big 12 to Florida and the Eastern Market. I would think it is a no brainer. It's not that long of a flight from Texas and they could split Texas and OU into different divisions.


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