Houston had three timeouts too, but ****ing make Houston use them.

If you punt to the Texans with 7 seconds left and no timeouts, you can basically ignore the middle of the field. Houston only has time for a quick catch and run out of bounds. Anything downed in the field of play will run out the clock.

Does that mean we'll see :39 next or :52? :hmmm:

Hell on third down Allen could probably run around long enough to burn off the clock.

Just stupid stupid coaching.

I didn’t watch, but I have to assume Houston was at least a little scared of allowing a big play.

Have to think there was room to run.

Their quarterback completed 1/3 of his passes.

I have a hard time sayin clock management was dispositive to the outcome...

Damn, just looked at that box score.

Hell, that's impressive that it was even close.

If the Bills had won. There would be a mess with the Coleman along the sidelines run( his heel was out, but looked like he stayed on the front of his foot). I imagine what is considered out of bounds will be brought up in the summer league meetings

Yea its a clear pattern at this point.

CJ Stroud did everything possible in 4th quarter to give the game away. Terrible throw on the INT. Poor ball security on the fumble. And a really dumb intentional grounding that moved Houston out of field goal range.

And he missed a walk in 60 yard TD to Hollins and a decent pass gets a 50 yard TD to Kincaid. He was really bad.

I can’t wait until we have 39 seconds to go 95 yards down 4 against them in the AFCCG some day.

Two Bills Drive is one hell of a roller coaster. Matches up with the Buffalo team itself. One week they are world beaters. The next week they are down in the dumps. Funny to watch it play out as a neutral observer.

To be fair, that's not very different from this place up until the whole "winning a **** ton of Super Bowls" thing started happening. Hell, "won't sniff the playoffs" is a meme here.

Yeah, it gives you a completely different perspective and takes off pressure of thinking a team is wasting the prime years of players or missing SB windows, etc.

We've tried to teach them our ways, but repeated brain trauma is no joke.

A neutral observer with plenty of hands-on experience.

I don't know why I derive pleasure from someone else suffering like we used to.

Oh wait, I do, because **** them that's why.

The whole Allen is better than Mahomes thing is just really stupid and is why I hate them as much as I do.

Uh oh

NFL Rumors: Bills' Sean McDermott Job Security Eyed by Insiders After Texans Loss

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...3QAKU5NttpaXkQ

Allen is 1-3 vs Lamar regular season 1-0 playoffs
So Lamar is better than Mahomes then

Noooo I want McDermott to stay

They’ll fire him on the Monday of the week we play them

I’ll take a 30-10 blowout, thanks.

Cook has turf toe LMAO

Yes....yes

Look at Josh run over people
He's hurt because he gets hit out of bounds

I feel like karma hits us when y’all get excited about Bills/Bengals injury woes.

The more I think about it, BUF needs to get Davante Adams. It might be the only way McD saves his job. And it makes the most sense of the teams still looking at Adams.


It would also mean significantly less rushes for Josh, which should reduce Allen's chances of injury. And finally, it would make BUF a legit Sb contender this year.

Depends on if Adams' in house Taco Bell has female beverage servers

If they ate the 34 million because of Diggs' sexual allegations. Which could easily be bullshit. Trading for Adams would make for interesting conversations

I doubt it.


The owner thinks of him like his son.


:thumb:

Chiefs - Give up star receiver in Tyreek Hill. Weather the storm. Acclimate. Adjust the offense. Rattle off two straight SB titles and start the 3rd year 5-0.

Bills - Give up "star" receiver in Diggs. Panic after 5 games. Freak out the offense does not look the same. Time to mortgage the future even more and put more money on the credit card for a near 32 year old diva wide receiver.

You'd think they'd have learned from going "all-in" for aging Von Miller. Davante has a lot of tred on those tires. His best football is behind him.

If ever a team would be gun shy about doing something like that it would be Buffalo. They are still dealing with the shell of Von Miller and his monster contract and they didn't even trade for him.

Yeah, except that BUF doesn’t have the best offensive mind in the league, or the best DC in the league, the best TE of all time, and then the best QB of all time.

Point being, they’re in a significantly different situation.

And their offense isn’t moribund; it just lacks that guy who can make the right plays when needed and force the defense to have to account for him.

Yep. Just when they were making the moves to get the slate clean from previous mistakes and open another window for the Super Bowl, they're looking at maxing out the credit cards again when their eyes are dazzled by a flashy trinket.

Feel free to check my #'s but pretty sure roughly 1/4 of their 2024 cap is Dead Cap. Another roughly $15 mil to Von Miller. Von is pretty much a parking cone out there at this stage. That roster is not making a deep run this year with or without Davante Adams.

Their defense is not SB caliber. There is no reason to make the move since they are not a real contender.

What good would Buffalo do with those draft picks anyway? Save McDermott!

Oh, I believe you. Never thought of it those terms. Just in terms of what Adams would bring those offenses, what the QB situations were, and which team could use him most effectively. Out of the teams that are interested, BUF seems like the best fit, that's all.

Buffalo is one more concussion away from being the Panthers

Sometimes I think about the Super Bowl trophies we would have if McDermott was not our coach. The look of defeat on Mahomes face as Allen beat him for a 2nd time in 3 seasons in the playoffs.

But alas - we do have him.

You all saw what happened against Houston. An unmitigated coaching disaster snatched defeat from the jaws of, well, at least a tie.

Make no mistake. 13 Seconds wouldn’t have happened if we had a better HC. Last years playoff loss wouldn’t have happened either. Both would have ended with Lombardi’s, in my opinion.

We are wasting Allen’s career, a hall of fame career, and it pisses me off.

I am still very high on this Bills team though. There is some special about them. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I think this may be a Pats 2001 type year. Rocky at times, but they pull together in the end.

Especially if Mahomes keeps tossing balls to defenses like it’s candy being thrown to kids at the Macy’s thanksgiving parade.

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Cap numbers don’t win Super Bowls. Great QB’s do. And the Bills have the best one of those in the NFL.

Whine if you want but it is what it is.

Dont get me wrong - there *was* a time when Mahomes was better. 2019, 2021. But the difference between Mahomes and Allen at this point is Mahomes defense.

Give Allen the Chiefs defense and his hand would be studded in championship rings.

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Hey it's KingAllen. Just KingAllen, though. Nobody else. JustKingAllen.

Hey douchenozzle, you guys had the best d in 2021 and didn’t even get to the conference championship game.

Mahomes’ 2 other rings came with non-top 10 d’s.

Not a lot to figure out here that Allen is a playoff loser.

The Bills take the AFC this seasom
 

Poor guy thinks having a fractionally better playoff record than Rivers makes Allen a HOF player. If Allen ever actually managed to get a bye in the playoffs like Rivers he would have less wins given we know he can’t get past the divisional round. The only seasons in which Rivers played for the Chargers and didn’t win a playoff game were the ones he got a bye week. He won every wildcard game he played as a Charger. Got past the divisional round once. Sound familiar?

Back to back posts. Incredible.

It’s like he almost stopped ****ing his sister long enough to put together a coherent argument.

Almost.

When did they trade for Mahomes? I must have missed it :hmmm:

This is a fallacy of logic known as "hypothesis contrary to fact." You have asserted this as a fact when it is nothing more than opinion. It is demonstrably false because your supposition is false.

Another hypothesis contrary to fact.

A third hypothesis contrary to fact.

Finally, much better stated. It was all opinion, not fact.

Now I'm ****ing his sister!

You would think that one would double check the nonsense they post before hitting submit.

Allen has completed 6 seasons. Let’s compare Rivers through 6 seasons.

Allen: 233 TD’s - 78 INT’s - Playoffs: 21 TD, 4 INT … Won a playoff game in 4 of those 6 years

Rivers: 165 TD’s - 77 INT’s - Playoffs: 8 TD’s, 7 INT … Won a playoff game in 2 of those 6 years.

Uh, so yeah, outside of 60 or so more TD’s and way better playoff performances, and a better playoff record, and making it to divisional round at double the clip, they’re totally the same.

This is equivalent to comparing Mahomes to Eli Manning.

You can’t honestly be delulu enough to think Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL right now? The guy has been awful this season. He has thrown as many INT’s as TD’s and should have had more INT’s.

Doesn’t mean he can’t regain that title at some point this season, but right now? come on…

Speaking of draft picks, we have 10 in this upcoming draft. Plus a ton of cap space.

They’re going to get way better. And they’re already a SB Contender.

And yet he's 5-0 this season. What is the Bill's record? Mahomes has also won 7 regular season games in a row. He's won 11 in a row including playoffs. He's the reigning Super Bowl champion QB. In fact, he's won 2 Super Bowls in a row. Won MVP in both of those games too. In fact, he beat your Bills in Buffalo in the playoffs on the way to last year's SB win.

But, sure, yeah, tell us more about how awesome the Bills and Josh Allen are.

And there's your problem. Bills fans are constantly obsessed with the best QB "right now" because Joshy boy's seasons are constant roller coasters. You get him at his high, and then you want to start having the QB debate. And all you guys ever do is make the damn thing stat-driven.

Mahomes isn't 30 yet and you're acting like he's too old or washed just because he's not showing his best stuff in meaningless September games (in which he's undefeated this season, btw)

Ignore the "right now" part. Who is the best QB in the NFL? And if you say it's Josh, I'm going to get Bowser in here to ban you!

It’s kinda pathetic how the Billies come here every year looking for affirmation that Josh is who they think he is. You’d think if he was actually “that guy” there wouldn’t be a debate, and they certainly wouldn’t have to come here to make that argument. What a strange group of fans…

That’s a whole lot of nonsense that didn’t refute anything I wrote. I’m sorry that your QB has a ton of work to do to be even considered for the HOF.

And of course comparing raw numbers across 15-20 years is pointless. By Rivers’ seventh season, across various seasons at some point, he had led the league in yards, TD passes, completion %, and passer rating. Allen has done precisely none of that. They are the same player respective to their peers. Allen’s rushing TDs don’t change this. Sorry this is so hard for you.

I wonder why you didn’t come posting about Allen after he got blown out by the Ravens and had an all time bad game against the Texans?

10 x shit = shit.

It's not being delusional at all. There is no disputing that fact that Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL. However, Josh is playing better than Mahomes right now, just like he has in other seasons, at times. (That really didn't matter)

See how I did that?

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If you picked 10 well respected football minds and asked them, which would you rather have to start a franchise, Mahomes or Allen....

9 out of the 10 would say without question, Mahomes.

The 10th one would say Allen only because he would probably be a Bills homer.

There was a time when Chiefs fans were somewhat insecure about criticisms of Mahomes.

We have an entire thread about how Mahomes is better than Lamar Jackson.

I think most of us have really just moved on from the debate. Super Bowls are the only thing that really matter to Mahomes’s legacy at this point.

99.9% of QBs in history would trade their careers for his, even if he never played another down. There’s like 2, maybe 3-4 QBs who had better entire careers than what Mahomes has accomplished in his short time in the League.

Brett Favre won as many regular season MVPs as Tom Brady. The two aren’t peers though.

When a player achieves a certain level of greatness, the championships are all the matter. LeBron could win the NBA MVP this year, and it wouldn’t convince anyone that he’s better than Jordan (unless the person already believes that). Titles are the only thing that move the needle.

It’s Mahomes vs history. Not Mahomes vs Allen, or any other active QB.

First it was shit I mean if Allen had the offensive weapons Mahomes had he would be winning Super Bowls (all the while the Bills had an ELITE defense).

Now its SHIT if Allen had an elite defense like Kansas City he'd be winning Super Bowls.

Chiefs are just practicing out there, bud. Chiefs are 5-0 and 4-0 against likely playoff teams (Ravens, Bengals, Falcons, Chargers). Bills are 4-2 and 0-2 against likely playoff teams (beat down by Ravens, Texans). You guys sure are impressive against the dog crap teams tho!

Season starts in January in Kansas City.

:clap: IMO, this is is the best post in this thread.

BuT jOSh AlLeN is BEttEr thAn MaHoMes rIGht NoW…

Kurt Warner was better than Tom Brady in 2001
Rich Gannon was better than Tom Brady in 2002
Steve McNair was better than Tom Brady in 2003
Cam Newton was better than Tom Brady in 2015
Matt Ryan was better than Tom Brady in 2016

No one. Gives. A. ****.

What would a Bills fan know about what it takes to win the Super Bowl?

Agreed, that said it all.

Fans of Allen, Burrow, etc. running their mouths about Mahomes:

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Rivers actually handed off for those 1 yard TDs, not shorten his career like Ralph Wiggum diving through a windows to get cheap TDs to pad his stats

Those cheap rushing TDs will take YEARS off his career. You....do...realize that right? No running QB has EVER has a long, functioning career. His window is almost closed.

Kickers who push everything to the right win Super Bowls!

I just learned of this liquor store in OPKS... surely someone has mentioned it in this thread.


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Sounds like Allen is an epic dipshit for not demanding a trade to a better organization

Most QB's don't win SB's past age 31. Allen is not only getting closer to that, he depends on his mobility and use as a fullback at the goal line.


Every QB that depends on +mobility takes a sharp downward turn past age 30.


Allen is nearing the end of his peak.

The fall happens FAST. Look at Russ. A guy that actually went to 2 Superbowls.

Starts dressing like Cam Newton it's fatal

It's like when someone tells a silly lie about you that has no bearing on your life at all.

Annoying. And you may occasionally slap down that person with cold, hard, unadultered truth.

But generally it's not even worth your time responding because it's so silly and settled, and you would be lowering yourself to truly engage in debate with them. You may occasionally poke and prod at them for shits and giggles, but the whole time you're secretly laughing at them on the inside.

Describes my feelings towards a certain forum here...

When Allan and Mahomes are both playing their A game Allen can match Mahomes. But you can count on Mahomes to play his A game when it matters and so far Allan hasn’t shown that to be the case. And he will also sometimes play so badly he can lose the game all by himself. Mahomes seldom does that. Allan hasn’t done it that much this year, so he may be improving in that area.

It’s true Allan has out played Mahomes this year and Mahomes has been uncharacteristically not up to his normal standards. But despite that he’s been there when it’s needed and we are undefeated.

All fans talk lots of gibberish to support their team. But even the most diehard bill‘s fan can’t seriously think that Allan is a better quarterback than Mahomes.

Consuming the suffering of KingAllen and others like him is one of the absolute best parts of being on the right side of a dynasty.

Just makes people go full reerun in a way they otherwise couldn't.

Oh they’re dead serious about Allen being the better quarterback. In their minds the only thing separating the two is Andy Reid. They think if Allen is with KC he’d have 5 rings. Just browse through TBD at any given time. It’s truly delusional.

I think Allen would have one at least with Reid but I also think Mahomes would have gotten Buffalo at least once if things were switched