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Mosbonian 04-08-2024 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 17475204)
Outside of maybe tonight, you're not gonna see the Rock again for a long time.

Honestly....I am OK with that.

What would be fun to see is a battle internally between the Bloodline members for control...Jimmy Uso...Solo Sikoa...Roman Reigns....bring in Jacob Fatu...and Tama Tonga. That could really fester if handled correctly.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17475396)
Honestly....I am OK with that.

What would be fun to see is a battle internally between the Bloodline members for control...Jimmy Uso...Solo Sikoa...Roman Reigns....bring in Jacob Fatu...and Tama Tonga. That could really fester if handled correctly.

Legit worried Cody won't be able to keep momentum without Rock as a foil. Bloodline is a bunch of stooges without Rock and Roman, and if they want Jacob Fatu to carry that baton he needs the rub badly from either of them and that's not something you can do with one night of TV.

GloucesterChief 04-08-2024 02:27 PM

Here is what I would do. Roman gets the beatdown, and maybe Jimmy as well, due to losing at WM by a debuting Tonga and Fatu and Rock is the new tribal chief. Cody works through Solo, Tonga, and Fatu before facing off against Rock at Summerslam. In between Rock can do recorded promos and have Heyman as a mouthpiece. Then you have Roman come back at Summerslam as a Sting like figure that just comes in Spears and Superman punches and then disappears so he doesn't have to appear every week and build to Rock - Reigns at WM41.

By that time you should of built Gunther, or another heel, as the new threat to Cody.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 17475429)
Here is what I would do. Roman gets the beatdown, and maybe Jimmy as well, due to losing at WM by a debuting Tonga and Fatu and Rock is the new tribal chief. Cody works through Solo, Tonga, and Fatu before facing off against Rock at Summerslam. In between Rock can do recorded promos and have Heyman as a mouthpiece. Then you have Roman come back at Summerslam as a Sting like figure that just comes in Spears and Superman punches and then disappears so he doesn't have to appear every week and build to Rock - Reigns at WM41.

By that time you should of built Gunther, or another heel, as the new threat to Cody.

Works pretty well, actually.

TLO 04-08-2024 02:34 PM

I have no idea who Tonga or Fatu are, so this doesn't particularly excite me.

I'd like to see Gunther go after Cody, but I seriously doubt Cody drops the belt any time soon. I really enjoyed Cody winning the belt, but it would be nice to see it change hands a little more often.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 02:34 PM

Hell, have them **** up Jey initially and Jimmy can't do it and they end up beating the shit out of him too. Legit lost all interest in those two as singles after the absolute shart they put on Saturday night.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17475443)
I have no idea who Tonga or Fatu are, so this doesn't particularly excite me.

I'd like to see Gunther go after Cody, but I seriously doubt Cody drops the belt any time soon. I really enjoyed Cody winning the belt, but it would be nice to see it change hands a little more often.

Tama Tonga isn't anything special, but the only reason Jacob Fatu isn't already involved in this story is WWE were reluctant in the past to hire him due to a robbery charge he copped when he was 18, and he hasn't been a free agent until recently.

Take Solo, add 50 pounds of Samoan beef, actually be able to work past Samoan Spikes and Splashes, and have a personality past stoic enforcer and that's Jacob Fatu.

The Franchise 04-08-2024 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17475445)
Hell, have them **** up Jey initially and Jimmy can't do it and they end up beating the shit out of him too. Legit lost all interest in those two as singles after the absolute shart they put on Saturday night.

Which is weird because Jey hasn’t looked horrible before that match. He looked pretty good against Gunther and I thought he would be the one to dethrone him.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 02:50 PM

LMAO Wut? Fatu is the legit surname of a huge handful of the Anoa'i family.

smithandrew051 04-08-2024 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17475445)
Hell, have them **** up Jey initially and Jimmy can't do it and they end up beating the shit out of him too. Legit lost all interest in those two as singles after the absolute shart they put on Saturday night.

Could be a way to reunite them with Rikishi as their manager.

They did some damage to their ceilings on Saturday, so they might as well just go for the nostalgia.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 02:55 PM

Jimmy was ****ing hopeless from the start, and being brutally honest a pretty significant portion of Jeys rise came from being the goon in the Bloodline Sami was bouncing most of his material off ofm

GloucesterChief 04-08-2024 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17475479)
Could be a way to reunite them with Rikishi as their manager.

They did some damage to their ceilings on Saturday, so they might as well just go for the nostalgia.

Usos & Sami vs. Solo, Tonga, and Fatu wouldn't be a bad WM match to formally end the Bloodline as a faction.

BryanBusby 04-08-2024 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17475326)
Nah. Nothing against Gunther, but he tops out as a secondary world title kind of guy. Maybe a program with Cody but that's it. As fun as he is to watch as a wrestler there's just not much I can see them doing to make him the lead horse.

Were you in the closet when they gave long runs to guys with limited movesets?

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 17475514)
Were you in the closet when they gave long runs to guys with limited movesets?

It's not his fault. Fans unfortunately pigeonhole him as the monster foreign heel when they do dumb shit like chant "USA" at him when it has absolutely **** all to do with the current feud. There's plenty you can do with that role and some of the most iconic wrestlers ever did it, but it just doesn't work for THE guy.

BryanBusby 04-08-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17475521)
It's not his fault. Fans unfortunately pigeonhole him as the monster foreign heel when they do dumb shit like chant "USA" at him when it has absolutely **** all to do with the current feud. There's plenty you can do with that role and some of the most iconic wrestlers ever did it, but it just doesn't work for THE guy.

You don't think that's going to work against some guy that calls himself the American Nightmare?

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 17475538)
You don't think that's going to work against some guy that calls himself the American Nightmare?

I did say a program with Cody is totally feasible. He's just not the guy I see taking the title off him.

Chitownchiefsfan 04-08-2024 05:05 PM

One thing I think was really smart is that outside of John cena who hit an AA, none of the babyfaces hit Roman reigns. It avoided making it feel like Rhodes was being over shadowed.

smithandrew051 04-08-2024 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan (Post 17475574)
One thing I think was really smart is that outside of John cena who hit an AA, none of the babyfaces hit Roman reigns. It avoided making it feel like Rhodes was being over shadowed.

Yup. And Cena hit Roman with 1 AA vs 2? Spikes from Solo?

Just enough to make it almost even but still stack the deck against Cody.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 06:10 PM

That stage set up is pretty slick.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 06:25 PM

Yeah...... enough of that. LMAO They're going to unintentionally turn Cody heel.

Archie Bunker 04-08-2024 06:29 PM

Going to take me a bit to shift gears. Not much of a Cody or a babyface guy in general.

TLO 04-08-2024 06:48 PM

What did the Rock give him?

poolboy 04-08-2024 06:48 PM

what did Rocky put in Codys hand?

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 06:49 PM

No idea. That whole segment was ****ing bizarre TBH. Not sure if they got thrown off track after Rock played to the crowd too long but that was sliding off the rails badly.

smithandrew051 04-08-2024 06:53 PM

Maybe my Rikishi theories will come true and he’ll hit Cody with his car for the Rock.

smithandrew051 04-08-2024 06:53 PM

Was that probably the Rolex?

poolboy 04-08-2024 06:56 PM

thats what i was thinking too

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 06:57 PM

That would be bizarre. He's already been wearing it everywhere last night and today.

Jerm 04-08-2024 06:59 PM

It was a lighter….he set Cody’s bus on fire….

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 06:59 PM

LMAO Let's see if that crowd pulls off a bisexual undertaker chant for Damien Priest

smithandrew051 04-08-2024 06:59 PM

Maybe it was the keys to the slim Jim car?

GloucesterChief 04-08-2024 07:00 PM

Dragunov!

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 07:01 PM

MJFs diamond ring. Plz

smithandrew051 04-08-2024 07:06 PM

Saw someone tweet that it was the Rock’s room key because of the sexual tension in the promo

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17475699)
Saw someone tweet that it was the Rock’s room key because of the sexual tension in the promo

LMAO

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 07:08 PM

Alright, these new themes ****ing SUCK. Why are they all generic butt rock nowadays?!?

Mosbonian 04-08-2024 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17475668)
No idea. That whole segment was ****ing bizarre TBH. Not sure if they got thrown off track after Rock played to the crowd too long but that was sliding off the rails badly.

Yeah....the Rock seemed to really mess that segment up....not really sure what he was.doing.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 07:30 PM

Bruh. Cena. You're rich. Get that bald spot taken care of LMAO

Mosbonian 04-08-2024 07:34 PM

BTW...who didn't see the run in from Cena coming with the odd R Truth "can't see him" Easter agg

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 07:35 PM

That was about as subtle as a semi truck.

Sassy Squatch 04-08-2024 07:49 PM

Oof. Just saw a theory that actually made a ton of sense. Rock already beat the shit out of Roman and gave Cody a piece of the necklace he wore. "Broke his heart" to have to do it to Roman

The Franchise 04-08-2024 08:18 PM

He gave him two tickets to Black Adam.

big nasty kcnut 04-08-2024 08:54 PM

He gave cody keys to a car that has a crackhead in the back.

Sassy Squatch 04-09-2024 04:08 AM

I really hope that goofy spooky shit they did preshow and during Bronson Reeds promo isn't Uncle Howdy.

Jerm 04-09-2024 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17475964)
I really hope that goofy spooky shit they did preshow and during Bronson Reeds promo isn't Uncle Howdy.

I think it is…they tease him pretty heavily in the Bray documentary…

Mosbonian 04-09-2024 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17475964)
I really hope that goofy spooky shit they did preshow and during Bronson Reeds promo isn't Uncle Howdy.

Yeah....didn't really like the Uncle Howdy stuff even when Bray was alive.

Sassy Squatch 04-09-2024 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17476022)
Yeah....didn't really like the Uncle Howdy stuff even when Bray was alive.

None of Bray Wyatt's nonsense post backwoods cult leader was ANY good once he got into the ring. Dude was creative as hell and some of those backstage segments were golden, but he never could translate it into in ring material that wasn't absolutely trash and cringe. Hell, before they fired him Reigns and Lesnar outright refused to work with him due to how abysmal his Fiend programs ended up being

LTL 04-09-2024 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17476019)
I think it is…they tease him pretty heavily in the Bray documentary…

Dunno if it will be uncle howdy. Documentary also showed another incarnation of the fiend that they had just finished not long before he passed. I could see doing something with that as well. Documentary itself was good though.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 01:03 PM

Can't believe AEW is still going to make fools of themselves and either release that CM Punk footage or do a skit about it.

Jerm 04-10-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17477306)
Can't believe AEW is still going to make fools of themselves and either release that CM Punk footage or do a skit about it.

They're going to WCW 2000 this and it'll be some kind of stupid Young Bucks thing...

The whole thing is just baffling to me, what exactly are they hoping to gain by doing this?

Mecca 04-10-2024 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17477310)
They're going to WCW 2000 this and it'll be some kind of stupid Young Bucks thing...

The whole thing is just baffling to me, what exactly are they hoping to gain by doing this?

They're using it to bring Jack Perry back for one...for 2 it's a way to throw shade at Punk who literally will not shut the **** up.

New World Order 04-10-2024 01:07 PM

I don't really watch wrestling (haven't watched it consistently since early 2000), but I did watch a lot of the Wrestlemania since I have Peacock and it was damn good.

GloucesterChief 04-10-2024 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17477314)
They're using it to bring Jack Perry back for one...for 2 it's a way to throw shade at Punk who literally will not shut the **** up.

And prove that Punk is still your biggest ratings draw despite him not working for your company? AEW has problems to solve and Punk talking is not one of them.

Jerm 04-10-2024 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17477314)
They're using it to bring Jack Perry back for one...for 2 it's a way to throw shade at Punk who literally will not shut the **** up.

The Jack Perry thing I can understand...the other part, throwing shade at Punk? Completely pointless and useless.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17477310)
They're going to WCW 2000 this and it'll be some kind of stupid Young Bucks thing...

The whole thing is just baffling to me, what exactly are they hoping to gain by doing this?

Its just incredibly stupid. The show immediately afterwards you had a half dozen guys go on TV and publicly say they don't want to focus on the negatives and now the week after the Bucks are either going to legitimately show the footage or, even worse, do some stupid skit.

Mecca 04-10-2024 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17477320)
The Jack Perry thing I can understand...the other part, throwing shade at Punk? Completely pointless and useless.

It's about as pointless as it was for him to throw shots at Will Ospreay for literally no reason.

Mecca 04-10-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 17477318)
And prove that Punk is still your biggest ratings draw despite him not working for your company? AEW has problems to solve and Punk talking is not one of them.

I would be more sympathetic to the argument that AEW is using someone who doesn't work for the company for a build if Punk and Drew didn't spend 2 months using AEW as a backdrop for their feud including muffins and almost direct quotes.

Jerm 04-10-2024 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17477324)
It's about as pointless as it was for him to throw shots at Will Ospreay for literally no reason.

The difference is...the WWE isn't promoting any of his comments or building their TV around it.

I like the "war" aspect of wrestling, trust me...makes it interesting. This particular decision just baffles me.

GloucesterChief 04-10-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17477326)
I would be more sympathetic to the argument that AEW is using someone who doesn't work for the company for a build if Punk and Drew didn't spend 2 months using AEW as a backdrop for their feud including muffins and almost direct quotes.

Except WWE is using that to build a feud, so a goal and a way to draw an audience, and it has been highly entertaining because lets face it Punk and Drew are better on the mic than pretty much everybody in AEW.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 01:15 PM

Punk and Drew using it to build to a money feud is a hell of a lot different than Khan and the Bucks either trying to embarrass Punk or bait and switching the most compelling footage they have with some goofy ass skit.

Mecca 04-10-2024 01:16 PM

Punk has basically shit on AEW for 18 months.

From the All out 2022 post show press conference onwards, and I mean you could even go as far back as him burying Hangman on TV before that, to Wrestlemania 2024 he's taken every chance he could get to insult, belittle and smear the company. He's leaked stories, he's buried AEW talent and management in on air promos, off air promos for the fans in attendance, in print interviews, on his social media, on podcast interviews and most infamously of all in press conferences. He's lied and distorted the truth over and over to make AEW look bad and make him look good.

Him taking the opportunity to mock Will Ospreay, a guy who has done nothing to CM Punk and I'm unsure if they've ever even spoke to one another, for his ALL IN tattoo on some post wrestlemania show with The Miz confirmed for me that it didn't matter how often AEW tried to ignore him and move on he was never going to stop.

So yeah airing the footage is pretty petty and I don't know if it will do much in terms of long term ratings or buyrates. But I understand Tony Khan and AEW wanting to fight back and if the footage shows Punk was talking total shit again and it's embarrassing for him then good. I want to see that.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 01:21 PM

LMAO Well, yeah. Probably would've been a good idea for the EVPs and Khan to stamp out all the bullshit coming out about Punk wanting Cabana fired and actually punishing Hangman for being a reerun and bringing it all out into the public to begin with.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 01:29 PM

CM Punk is a blatant hypocrite, narcissist, and incredibly bitter. He's also one of a very, very small handful of individuals on Earth who can actually draw ratings and has a legitimate cult of personality.

Knowing all these things, the EVPs friends STILL engaged in a bullshit whisper campaign to tarnish his character then took it public. Even if they weren't explicitly telling stories to journalists, the Bucks and Kenny should have shut that shit down publicly considering, you know, they're ****ing EVPs and that's their job. And Khan is just as complicit for standing and watching like a dumbass.

Jerm 04-10-2024 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17477360)
CM Punk is a blatant hypocrite, narcissist, and incredibly bitter. He's also one of a very, very small handful of individuals on Earth who can actually draw ratings and has a legitimate cult of personality.

Knowing all these things, the EVPs friends STILL engaged in a bullshit whisper campaign to tarnish his character then took it public. Even if they weren't explicitly telling stories to journalists, the Bucks and Kenny should have shut that shit down publicly considering, you know, they're ****ing EVPs and that's their job. And Khan is just as complicit for standing and watching like a dumbass.

They were clearly feeding Meltzer and Alvarez shit....

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17477361)
They were clearly feeding Meltzer and Alvarez shit....

Probably. But even if it wasn't them, it was somebody in their immediate group of friends.

big nasty kcnut 04-10-2024 02:03 PM

CM Punk a prick but he's our prick.

GloucesterChief 04-10-2024 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 17477402)
CM Punk a prick but he's our prick.

He is an entertaining prick and since he came back multiple wrestlers in the WWE upped their promo game.

TLO 04-10-2024 02:27 PM

Mecca trying to defend AEW is kind of funny to watch.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17477428)
Mecca trying to defend AEW is kind of funny to watch.

It's ****ing bizarre. You bring in Phil Brooks and then privately slander him to the dirt sheets and publicly have one of your 'top' stars go off script to bury him and you don't expect for him to eventually erupt?

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 02:52 PM

It is hilarious they pissed him off so thoroughly he went back and mended fences with HHH and a whole bunch of talent at least partially out of pure spite.

GloucesterChief 04-10-2024 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17477453)
It is hilarious they pissed him off so thoroughly he went back and mended fences with HHH and a whole bunch of talent at least partially out of pure spite.

Might of realized that despite the issues he had with WWE, it was on a whole more professionally ran with clear guidelines as to what is and is not acceptable as far as promos go.

BryanBusby 04-10-2024 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17477314)
They're using it to bring Jack Perry back for one...for 2 it's a way to throw shade at Punk who literally will not shut the **** up.

They should have used any reason to keep Jungle Boy off TV. Jungle Boy sucks.

Instead they are going to give CM Punk free publicity while making themselves look lile shit.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 03:55 PM

There's also the whole thing of you guys were the ones that exiled the dude for almost a year in the first place because you were so pissed at him for his part

BryanBusby 04-10-2024 04:43 PM

Well to be fair, ****ing up a rental car for a spot was dumb as hell.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 04:46 PM

Yeah. That seems to be a forgotten bit to the story. Punk wasn't even the one telling him no. Literally EVERY one else involved in production told him no first, he kept being an obstinate jackass about it, and they finally went to Punk to have him put his foot down. Then Perry does his spot on the All In pre show and directly trolls Punk by running his mouth knowing he's at gorilla position since he's in the opener.

Mosbonian 04-10-2024 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17477360)
CM Punk is a blatant hypocrite, narcissist, and incredibly bitter. He's also one of a very, very small handful of individuals on Earth who can actually draw ratings and has a legitimate cult of personality.

In the ring he was never really all that good...but on the Mike and working as anti-establishment guy he is one of the better guys.

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17477602)
In the ring he was never really all that good...but on the Mike and working as anti-establishment guy he is one of the better guys.

The anti establishment bit worked for guys like Steve Austin and CM Punk because it's legitimate. Even if they're completely in the wrong, fans will inevitably get behind guys that are willing to say "**** you, I'm going home" and leave. They worked it for years with Stone Cold and Vince McMahon and they probably would've drawn a ton of money with Punk and HHH had they not completely derailed Punk and made him legitimately pissed at HHH to the point he'd rather walk than work a second program with him.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-10-2024 05:10 PM

Aew went to shit....FAST

Sassy Squatch 04-10-2024 05:15 PM

I genuinely hope they turn it around, but at this point I don't see how it's possible without Tony relinquishing most duties, and since this is his passion project that won't ever happen. Plenty of people have said it, he's way too nice of a person to do this effectively, and it becomes more and more apparent he's incapable of booking logically.

big nasty kcnut 04-10-2024 05:16 PM

I love aew and wwe the problem is aew need to have more program for the less seen talents. Plus Tony khan need to get smaller buildings for regular TV get those sell outs and go from there.


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