You always speak in third person so I just assumed you were talking about yourself [again].

Here's an article about MWC and their possibility of adding Big 12 teams. I ant paste the article on my iPod.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2010...-mountain.html

Can't be any worse than Kstate?

Not to beat a dead horse, but..

The 2008 report “The Top American Research Universities” by the Center for Measuring University Performance, Arizona State University in the section for “Top Public Research Universities”. The website for this report is http://mup.asu.edu/research2008.pdf and it provides the following ranking of America’s top 25 public research universities. With the methodology used, the highest score attainable is nine.

In this measure, UF is among the top 7 public universities in terms of research.

Name # of Measures in Top 25 - # of Measures in Top 25-50 - Total Research - Control Rank - Federal Research - Control Rank - Endowment - Control Rank
9. University of California - Berkeley 9 0 546,035 12 261,718 16 2,894,932 5
9. University of California - Los Angeles 9 0 811,493 2 483,873 4 2,683,872 7
9. University of Florida 9 0 565,491 11 248,322 18 1,219,026 19
9. University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 9 0 476,198 16 264,645 15 1,100,000 22
9. University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 9 0 800,488 3 565,739 2 7,089,830 2
9. University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 9 0 443,790 18 329,215 8 2,164,444 11
9. University of Wisconsin - Madison 9 0 831,895 1 491,810 3 1,916,701 12

8. Georgia Institute of Technology 8 1 440,898 19 257,751 17 1,608,682 14
8. Ohio State University - Columbus 8 1 652,329 7 315,914 11 2,338,103 8
8. Pennsylvania State Univ. - Univ. Park 8 1 567,549 10 320,258 10 1,173,420 21
8. University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh 8 1 530,162 14 422,316 7 2,254,379 9
8. University of Washington - Seattle 8 1 778,148 5 650,394 1 2,184,374 10
8. University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 8 0 594,877 8 326,170 9 2,804,466 6

7. Texas A&M University 7 2 492,955 15 206,242 25 6,149,804 3
7. University of California - San Diego 7 2 754,766 6 463,807 6 522,842 48
7. University of Texas - Austin 7 2 431,398 20 273,147 14 7,190,136 1
7. University of Arizona 7 1 535,847 13 301,619 12 532,351 46
7. University of California - San Francisco 7 0 796,149 4 464,660 5 1,362,656 17

6. University of Virginia 6 3 238,754 48 203,778 27 4,370,209 4
6. Purdue University - West Lafayette 6 2 372,958 22 157,438 37 1,786,592 13
6. University of Maryland - College Park 6 2 354,244 24 209,764 24 446,648 53

5. Michigan State University 5 3 358,097 23 169,116 36 1,247,713 18
5. University of California - Davis 5 3 573,002 9 248,190 19 650,691 34
5. University of Iowa 5 3 346,357 25 216,521 23 982,428 23
5. Univ. of Texas SW Medical Ctr. - Dallas 5 2 333,237 26 196,621 30 1,434,560 15

4. University of Colorado - Boulder 4 2 250,255 42 223,666 20 404,648 63

3. North Carolina State University 3 6 330,936 29 131,262 43 535,003 45
3. Univ. of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Ctr. 3 2 457,696 17 182,028 33 564,505 41

2. Rutgers - St. U. of NJ - New Brunswick 2 6 280,994 37 118,732 48 601,849 37
2. University of California - Irvine 2 6 300,229 33 169,983 35 226,738 92
2. University of Kentucky 2 4 323,958 30 151,238 40 957,608 25
2. Indiana University - Bloomington 2 3 142,002 72 68,254 77 924,420 26
2. University of California - Santa Barbara 2 3 174,429 66 106,169 55 190,038 105

Again, the use of 'I'm' would negate the 3rd person. :spock:

You may want to have correct sentence structure when degrading someone's education.

They teach people how to milk cows at Kstate what a fine school.

Yes we lost the Denver market.. not huge but significant... Picking up a larger share of the Houston market should make up for that.

The problem is... what schools OUTSIDE of Texas in this general area are any good??? I certainly can't come up with any that aren't in bigger/better conferences.

IF you want to save the Big 12... it makes the most sense... if you want to take your chances and hope all the Big 12 schools get invites to BCS conferences... good luck.

I'm fairly certain most already know how to milk a cow prior to setting foot on campus.

There are 67 BCS schools right now. If it goes to four 16 team "Super Conferences", we're looking at 3 left out.

Severe credibility issues arose within the second line of your post....

(:) ASU academic slams are obligatory out here)

This thing is far from over. UT & CU may well be in the same confernece again soon. MU may yet re-join Nebraska.
The only thing for sure right now is that emotions are running high.

Exactly.

The Texas Longhorns control every market in Texas. They would control it even if there was no A&M, Tech, Baylor, and certainly not Houston. I don't think the Big 12 should add any Texas schools, at all. Unless it's TCU and bring in some Big East teams to get to 16.

Not really, my bet is that Houston is split 30/30/20/20 a&m, Texas, Houston, other...

Houston is a Top 25 football school once again and on the rise to be a Tier I school in academics... I would add them and TCU and ALSO add 4 more schools to keep the Big 12 relevant... but which schools? What makes sense GEOGRAPHICALLY?

What I'm saying is it doesn't add that many TV sets into a new market. People are still going to be watching in any city in Texas. But if Texas wants to stay in the Big 12, they are going to do whatever Texas says. If they want Houston and TCU, they got Houston and TCU. I'd rather them poach Utah, Louisville, Memphis, West Virginia, Pitt, Cincinnati..people like that. But I'm probably just dreaming.

Nothing with much of a name really: Colorado State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Lousiana Tech, Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane?

Hey - I'm all for saving what can be of the Big 12. I think that's best for KU and would sorely miss the rivalries with KSU & MU.

However I think it's already a done deal and the biggest question left is whether or not A&M goes to the SEC on their own. I hope they do on the off chance the PAC would consider KU, but I kind of doubt it happens that way.

The only way for A&M to gain ground on UT is to go to the SEC.

Just curious...couldn't the Big 12 add a school such as Wichita State and/or Tulsa? Or are they too small?

I haven't read much into this thread, so forgive me. But I've also heard the Big 12 may dissolve. WTF!

I have a sick feeling that KU will never be the same in BB, particularly with Perkins leaving as well.

A&M to the SEC opens a spot for Kansas in the Pac 16.. prompting the continued expansion of the Big Ten to 16 (which includes Missouri)

Not a chance for the Shockers...this is mainly about football. Both of those schools don't really add much revenue and TV viewership.

I think KU will end up fine. They have that "brand" like Nebraska does in football. Yeah, this isn't about basketball... but still... they're a big enough name, somebody will happily snatch them up.

Mizzou too. Whatever happens, Mizzou will land in a good spot. Desirable TV markets, good if not great athletics and academics...

I'm a little more concerned about KSU... but I hope they'll be included too.

Again... there are 67 BCS teams. Four sixteen team conferences means only 3 are left out.

ISU and Baylor should be the ones really sweating this.

Thanks! :thumb:

I really haven't been following this because I simply didn't believe it was going to happen. But now that it did, I'm interested in knowing.

The Big 12 and its predecessors have been an important part of the college sports landscape for decades. The decisions of Colorado and Nebraska to leave the conference are unfortunate, because they threaten the rich traditions that have inspired fans throughout the years.
Their decisions also create uncertainty for the University of Kansas and other schools in the conference, and that uncertainty has understandably created concern among Jayhawks.
While we all hoped these changes would not take place, we have always foreseen the potential for shifts in the conference’s alignment. That is why we have been proactive throughout this process, aggressively pursuing the interests of KU and its student-athletes.
As you know better than anyone, KU is a leader in higher education and intercollegiate athletics, and the value we offer is clear. Our student-athletes excel in the classroom and on the field of competition, and they study, practice and compete in facilities that are second-to-none.
More broadly, the academic and research profile of our university is strong. We continue to enroll an ever more talented and diverse student body, while our scholars continue to break new ground in fields from cancer treatment to the arts.
For all these reasons, we are confident that KU will emerge from this process in a position that enables our student-athletes to continue to compete at the highest level.
Now, that process may not be rapid, and there will continue to be rumors and speculation. But we want to assure you that we will continue to aggressively pursue the best interests of KU and its student-athletes. We will also keep you informed as the process unfolds.
Thank you for your continued support of the University of Kansas!
Rock Chalk!
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Chancellor

</td> <td valign="top">Lew Perkins
Athletics Director
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Without big conference $ KU can not pay the bills it has. You say good-bye to Self as well as others.

With 4 mega conferences the BCS goes away.

Those 4 mega conferences will be comprised almost exclusively of BCS teams.

So whats next? How long till Pac 10 swollows most of the south?

Supposedly by Tuesday? Who knows though.

I hope that happens... forcing the Big Ten's hand.

It's a sad day for sure. I'm on the fence about the move to the Big 10. Beebe should be shitcanned tomorrow.

This. The Big 12 should have been the one looking to expand not the other way around. Lack of TV contracts killed this league.

I didn't hear Osborne mention any school by name. I did hear him say that everyone was telling them to stay but those same schools were talking to up to 3 conferences about moving themselves. So it sent mixed signals to the Regents and Osborne. And yet people here blame Nebraska for accepting the Big 10's invite. :eek: Nebraska was totally upfront about what they were doing.

meh ... he's just a puppet for the school just like the guy before him and the guy after him would be.

Texas having too much power is the problem ... and the rest of the schools not working together to balance the Texas power.

I have read rumors today about KU going to just about every bcs conference. I just hope that one of them pans out and at the very least we can play MU and KSU in the noncon if need be. At least then there would be no cupcake schedules.

On another note: Do the USC sanctions make the Pac 10 look a lot less apealing?

PAC 10 is a definite possibility if aTm goes to the SEC. The Big East is another strong possibility. After that, there are a few un-credible crazy whispers about the SEC, but nothing much else yet.

No.

It's not surprising that the Big 12... The conference from the "fly over" states, is the one to get picked apart when the shit goes down.

(Not that the Big XII wasn't broken in the first place.)

SEC is crazy but a KU vs UK matchup every season would be off the hook.

****ing coastal bias.

Just checking.

And you have to figure Memphis may get brought in the mix somewhere.

So, I'm thinking maybe 4.

As long as one of thos is not KU I'm cool.

How epic would that rivalry be... holy shit.... JIMP

Barfknecht: Battle came down to TV rights

By Lee Barfknecht
WORLD-HERALD BUREAU


<!-- div id topBlock --> LINCOLN — Come to find out that on the subject of conference realignment, it was Texas that was all hat and no cattle.
For weeks, as rumors erupted nationally about schools wanting to change leagues, high-ranking UT officials repeatedly said their No. 1 priority was to keep the Big 12 intact.
Then, at the recent league meetings, the Longhorns' own loyalty was tested.
The challenge came from Nebraska, which was under internal league pressure to pledge its own deep allegiance to the Big 12.
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“There is only one way that you can truly commit long-term to a conference,'' NU Chancellor Harvey Perlman said. “You assign the media rights to your athletic contests to the conference for the long term.''
Perlman asked if all Big 12 schools would be willing to do that.

Texas, which has been drooling over the projected money it might make from creating its own TV network, balked.

In fact, Perlman said, UT “made it clear they were not willing to do that.''

In a nutshell, you now know why Nebraska joined the Big Ten on Friday and turned away from a continuous line of athletic alliances — the Missouri Valley, the Big Six, the Big Seven, the Big Eight and the Big 12 — it had been a part of for 103 years.

The jungle-like landscape that college athletics has turned into the past 25 years over the scramble for TV money is only getting more dense and dangerous.

Finding long-term stability and cooperation, while still competing at a high level, is the true golden ticket.
Nebraska couldn't find that mix in the Big 12.

Missouri, from the time Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany revealed in December that his league wanted to expand, campaigned long and loud for a spot there. Colorado has had regular dalliances with the Pacific 10, and consummated that relationship Thursday by accepting that league's invitation.

And Texas has been the subject of speculation during the 14-year history of the Big 12 as a candidate for the Pac-10, Big Ten and Southeastern Conferences.

Nebraska put its fellow Big 12 members on the spot, too, when reports were acknowledged during the league meetings that six schools were in talks with the Pac-10.

Perlman and Athletic Director Tom Osborne asked if Missouri or Colorado left, would the other six stay in the Big 12. Those six said yes.

But when the six were asked if they would stay if both MU and CU left, there was no commitment.

On Wednesday, Perlman talked by phone with Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe. The conversation didn't go well.

Perlman was told he needed to make an “unequivocal, total commitment'' to stay in the Big 12 through at least 2016. (That date is key because that is when the Big 12's current ABC/ESPN broadcast deal expires).

“Neither Tom nor I thought that was a very long-term commitment to the Big 12,'' Perlman said. “And we thought that our obligation to the University of Nebraska was to protect it from the vulnerabilities of being without a conference altogether.''

So much for the idea that Nebraska was a premier member of the Big 12. The Huskers hardly could have been big-timed more than they were in the past 10 days.

Will things be better in the Big Ten?

Things were all smiles and handshakes Friday when Delany arrived in Lincoln for the welcome press conference.

He talked of the culture fit. He talked of how revenue is distributed evenly. He smartly noted that Nebraska has suffered in the past from being on the losing end of 11-1 votes on major issues in the Big 12.

“I can count on one hand the number of votes I can recall in the past 10 years,'' Delany said. “Sometimes we have some good knockdown drag-outs.

“For the most part, our people in the minority, when a majority emerges, they get it in the long run.''

Everyone involved Friday was drinking information out of a fire hose. There was a lot to swallow in a short period of time.

But Nebraska to the Big Ten just feels right. The Huskers have nothing to lord over the Big 12, and nothing to apologize for in leaving.

NU wins academically. NU wins athletically. NU wins financially. And NU never has to fear conference realignment again. It's a deal any school in the country would have made.

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I would be very, very surprised if KU and MU do not end up in a BCS conference. It is KSU I am worried about. Rivalries aside, the hit academics would take to any school relegated to a non-BCS conference trumps anything that has to do with athletics.

He mentioned Missouri.....

It was really a good point, Missouri got the ball rolling on conference teams not trusting each other. Then CU leaving and the Big 12 South threatening put the second nail in the coffin.

Nebraska was just the 3rd nail.

Nobody cared about losing Colorado. Nebraska put all the nails in.

For sure. **** the skiing king of the world.

Yeah, after hearing that Nebraska asked Texas if they were willing to give their broadcasting rights to the Big 12 and the Longhorns said no, I'm not quite as upset with Nebraska anymore. He laid out a pretty good case. Nebraska probably was vulnerable, there may not have been another chance to join the Big 10, and Texas refused to make a real committment to the conference.

Yeah, right after Missoui fellated the Big 10 (which they could have put to bed by saying then what they are saying now).

I'm pretty sure a secret meeting with the Pac 10 and 6 teams threatening to jump ship also helped Nebraska's decision.

I'm confused... what has Mizzou ever said about anything?

Published Friday June 11, 2010
Big Ten chief welcomes Huskers

By Jeffrey Robb
WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER



<!-- div id topBlock --> Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany welcomed the University of Nebraska-Lincoln to the conference Friday, capping a day of quick action that sealed Nebraska's move out of the Big 12.
At a press conference on the UNL campus, Delany praised NU as a good fit with the Big 10 athletically and academically.
"We were ready to move more quickly when this opportunity arose," he said as he stood with NU Athletic Director Tom Osborne and UNL Chancellor Harvey Perlman.
Delany said Nebraska will move to the Big Ten effective July 1, 2011, and that he presumes the 12-team conference will hold a championship game at the end of that football season.
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"The competition will commence quickly," he said.

Delany said the Big Ten is like a family and that the conference will work hard to integrate Nebraska into the operation.

"For us, we're in a great place," Delany said. "We are stronger today than we were yesterday."

After expanding by one team, Delany said, the Big Ten will continue over the next 12 to 18 months to examine the potential to bring in other teams. He would not comment about other prospective members, although Notre Dame is high on the list.

With Nebraska's departure from the Big 12, Delany said he doesn't believe the loss of any single team means the end of a conference.

"I don't buy that any one institution can be responsible for anything of that dimension."

It's not what they said, it's what they didn't say (until now) when the rumors started.

It's been talked about for years that Missouri and the Big 10 have had interest and the Pac 10 and Colorado as well.

You can't pin this on MU. They never had an offer. Basically it came down to UT and NU....

I'm not pinning the demise of the Big 12 soley on MU. I'm stating that the rumors they allowed to float out there caused alot of distrust within the conference.

That is painfully obvious....

Shockingly now that the offer is not there, the articles about how they are commited to the Big 12 are coming out.

I honestly can't blame anyone for wanting to get away from Texas, Hell I wish KU had been more proactive in all this mess

Basically, it came down to Texas being greedy bastards.

We should have kicked them out years ago and shared the wealth.

They just ruined their second conference.

Why was there an ultimatum for Nebraska and Mizzou... when clearly Texas and the rest of the south was already looking into the Pac 10? And where was CU's ultimatum?

Fwiw, I still believe Mizzou will land in the Big 10. They're just (wisely) keeping their mouths shut.

Dude...

giggle

Whats the spread gonna be on the first KU vs USC football game? -21

More like a big time game of liars poker blew up in their face. :shake:

What else can they say right now?

Barfknecht: Battle came down to TV rights

By Lee Barfknecht

Come to find out that on the subject of conference realignment, it was Texas that was all hat and no cattle.

For weeks, as rumors erupted nationally about schools wanting to change leagues, high-ranking UT officials repeatedly said their No. 1 priority was to keep the Big 12 intact.

Then, at the recent league meetings, the Longhorns' own loyalty was tested.

The challenge came from Nebraska, which was under internal league pressure to pledge its own deep allegiance to the Big 12.

“There is only one way that you can truly commit long-term to a conference,'' NU Chancellor Harvey Perlman said. “You assign the media rights to your athletic contests to the conference for the long term.''

Perlman asked if all Big 12 schools would be willing to do that.

Texas, which has been drooling over the projected money it might make from creating its own TV network, balked.

In fact, Perlman said, UT “made it clear they were not willing to do that.''

In a nutshell, you now know why Nebraska joined the Big Ten on Friday and turned away from a continuous line of athletic alliances — the Missouri Valley, the Big Six, the Big Seven, the Big Eight and the Big 12 — it had been a part of for 103 years.

The jungle-like landscape that college athletics has turned into the past 25 years over the scramble for TV money is only getting more dense and dangerous.

Finding long-term stability and cooperation, while still competing at a high level, is the true golden ticket.
Nebraska couldn't find that mix in the Big 12.

Missouri, from the time Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany revealed in December that his league wanted to expand, campaigned long and loud for a spot there. Colorado has had regular dalliances with the Pacific 10, and consummated that relationship Thursday by accepting that league's invitation.

And Texas has been the subject of speculation during the 14-year history of the Big 12 as a candidate for the Pac-10, Big Ten and Southeastern Conferences.

Nebraska put its fellow Big 12 members on the spot, too, when reports were acknowledged during the league meetings that six schools were in talks with the Pac-10.

Perlman and Athletic Director Tom Osborne asked if Missouri or Colorado left, would the other six stay in the Big 12. Those six said yes.

But when the six were asked if they would stay if both MU and CU left, there was no commitment.

On Wednesday, Perlman talked by phone with Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe. The conversation didn't go well.

Perlman was told he needed to make an “unequivocal, total commitment'' to stay in the Big 12 through at least 2016. (That date is key because that is when the Big 12's current ABC/ESPN broadcast deal expires).

“Neither Tom nor I thought that was a very long-term commitment to the Big 12,'' Perlman said. “And we thought that our obligation to the University of Nebraska was to protect it from the vulnerabilities of being without a conference altogether.''

So much for the idea that Nebraska was a premier member of the Big 12. The Huskers hardly could have been big-timed more than they were in the past 10 days.

Will things be better in the Big Ten?

Things were all smiles and handshakes Friday when Delany arrived in Lincoln for the welcome press conference.

He talked of the culture fit. He talked of how revenue is distributed evenly. He smartly noted that Nebraska has suffered in the past from being on the losing end of 11-1 votes on major issues in the Big 12.

“I can count on one hand the number of votes I can recall in the past 10 years,'' Delany said. “Sometimes we have some good knockdown drag-outs.

“For the most part, our people in the minority, when a majority emerges, they get it in the long run.''

Everyone involved Friday was drinking information out of a fire hose. There was a lot to swallow in a short period of time.

But Nebraska to the Big Ten just feels right. The Huskers have nothing to lord over the Big 12, and nothing to apologize for in leaving.

NU wins academically. NU wins athletically. NU wins financially. And NU never has to fear conference realignment again. It's a deal any school in the country would have made.

Mountain West looking more attractive with the addition of Boise State. I'll look forward (not really) to watching them trounce the Lobos.

Not sure WTF you're laughing about.

If anyone is "****ed", it's ISU.

Getting ready to start on their 3rd. If the Pac 10 had any brains at all they would invite every one but Texas.

Yep the Conference USA is probably the best scenario for the clones..... or there is always the MVC :evil:

They will do pretty well in the big east.

LMAO

Maybe so, but I think the Big 10 ship sailed when the Nebraska chancellor blasted the gov. of Missouri and Mizzou itself.

If Mizzou does end up going to the Big 10 (twelve) with all of the shit Nebraska talked... they become Mizzou's biggest conference rival.

Well, we'll see.

I don't think that ship's sailed just yet.

Texas can kiss their own network goodbye. The Pac 10 won't let them do that. If that's what they want they'd be better off going independent ala Notre Dame.

I'm sure its already been posted. But KcMizzou must of missed it.

"A sports media columnist in Washington has reported - via Twitter - that Iowa State and three other Big 12 members are in discussions with the Big East Conference."

I hope Mizzou does go to the big 10, because it will be a lot harder for them to make a BSC game there than it will for ISU in the Big East.

I actually think that would be a good fit for them..... the clones would do well in the Big East

I hope Mizzou, ISU, and KU all get into the Big 10. I don't think KSU can since they're not an AAU school.

It would be nice to keep those historic games/rivalries in tact.