That’s a long time. Kelce is still maybe the NFLs biggest mismatch until proven otherwise.

Wouldn’t pay Hunt. Draft another rb, let someone else pay him.

Not too concerned about 5 years from now nor would I be making any moves that far off.

Pat will throw to his best receivers who will make plays.

Kelce is one of those players. Don't be stupid. Hell, I'd wager Kelce's stats go UP this year. At the very least, you can damn well bet his TDs will go up. Alex was a ****ing pussy in the red zone. Pat will go to his best TD target, and that's Kelce.

Let someone pay for Kelce at that point or keep him. He’s actually on a nice deal now

They’ll never trade on of their corners that just makes plays


Wait

Not even ****ing related.

We got a 2nd round pick out of an old ass Tony Gonzalez.

The point of drafting and extending good players is that you use them for as long as you can while they're still good.

Kelce isn't just good. He's the best TE in the NFL.

To help Mahomes now in this window. I don’t think money will be the issue as Houston, Berry, Fisher, Schwartz and Kelce will all likely be gone at that point.

Dorsey wasted shit loads of money on old players past their prime and we got zero return on it.

Kelce has already been blasted in his dome twice in 1 year. At age 33 he will likely have more wear and tear and be out of his prime.

So then maybe you could get a first a third and a player for him?

What the hell? I got banned for a week for a week for less crimes than this suggestion.

5 years is an eternity in the nfl

Just thinking out loud

Veach said they could possibly get back in the first round. Trying to think of ways that they could do that

Yes but probably in Pat’s 5th year option year (2021) when we have to pay him a much bigger cap number.

The window will be done at that point and a new wave will be needed.

Trading Kelce is fuggin nonsense, not gonna happen. Yes he is a boneheaded at times, but he isn’t confrontational with coaches and he didn’t assault his mom in the locker room.

If we want a late first rounder it would take our 2nd and next years 2nd at least.

Its easy enough to see drafting someone with an eye to him eventually replacing Kelce... but outright trading the best TE in the game right now?

LULZ

He would do it by packaging up our many mid rounders, not by ditching the best in the NFL

Easy. Our second this year and a second next year should get us in the 20s in the first.

I’m sure Veach can do whatever he wants, if he values a certain player enough to sacrifice picks to go up and get him.

Keep up. O.city said now. I said trade him when he’s 33 and out of his prime.

And I’d trade Kelce...for 2 firsts.

That should easily be his market value.

Well thats a different story, but as it stands now... he is gonna be the best friend Mahomes has

Trading Kelce before the draft would wreck the salary cap numbers. We really only have 2 players we could trade before the draft who wouldn't. Ford and Bailey. And Ford may not be able to pass the physical to be eligible to be traded .

No. Not worth it to me. Mahomes needs Kelce.

It's only March and we're already so bored we're already bored enough to talk about trading Kelce?
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They’d gain about 5 million in space

No shit. It would be an act of lunacy.

Save 2 million. 7 million dead money.

https://overthecap.com/player/travis-kelce/2216/

Yeah I read it wrong I think

:thumb:

Easy to do!

To get to the 25th pick in the first round they'd have give up their 2nd round pick & both 3rd round picks.
No thanks!

Not me.

Yeah I wouldn’t do that

They need dudes

No.

Seriously


Shut up

I thought we discussed this? A 2nd+6th is enough to get back in the 1st rd per the point value chart. We can trade the Rams pick.

Mahomes IS the offense.

The best thing Veach can do is protect him and keep building the defense so it limits how many chances Mahomes needs to take to win.

If we trade Kelce (which won’t happen) whoever plays TE will thrive.

Next years second would be worth a third this year though, right?

OBJ, Sheldon Richardson, and trading Kelce.

O.City's America, ladies and gentlemen.

Trading future picks devalues them. You don’t get full value.

No way could we trade next years second and this years 6th to get into the first.

Gonna take a lot more than that.

Fine. Next year's 2nd and a 2018 4th and 7th.

Done.

Whoever plays TE? What? Kelce is just a run of the mill? No he isn't. He is a special TE with the ball. Uncoverable for most defenses. He gets other players open and Mahomes needs him in his years of learning.

When Veach said they might end up back in the first round, I took that very seriously. In fact, I took it as that they’ve probably already had some form of preliminary discussions with a team or multiple teams about doing so.

The question becomes, who would we go that high for? It’s gotta be defense. I like Harold Landry for the late 1st but there are bigger immediate needs than edge probably. There are a couple of nice corners and interior DL that might be there. I think most of the good safeties will last until the 40s and even a couple might leak into the 50s.

What? No way. What point value chart are you getting that from?

I believe RunKC is talking about trading 54, the Rams 2019 2nd, and a 6th to get back into the 1st

What chart are you looking at? I think you need to check the eye chart!

I could see us trading up for any of the following:

Carlton Davis, Jaire Alexander, Mike Hughes, Isaiah Oliver, Ronnie Harrison, Justin Reid, Taven Bryan, Maurice Hurst

Oh, OK. I don't think that would work either, but it's closer to possible.

I’d think it’s for a safety dl or corner

Probably dl

Here’s the chart:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/

54th pick: 360 points
Lowest possible 2nd rd value (64th pick: 270 points)

Those added together is 630 points. The 30th pick is 620 points in value, but I would add another pick to sweeten the deal.

Next years 2nd isn’t worth that yet though

Trading Kelce? :facepalm:

I wouldn't touch any of next year's picks but that Rams' 2nd round pick need to be put to use as soon as this year, which means trading it, whether for a player or a trade up.

I mean you have lost Peters. And you have gone for the jugular offensively with the Watkins signing.

I don't see how you don't trade that 2nd round pick to help this team immediately.

I know Mahomes will be in his first year starting but it still feels like Veach has to go all in whilst not mortgaging the future at the same time.

I have always disagreed with those who think we won't be a contender next year but the year after.

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https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcu...pick-value.php


Mine is for the 25th pick.

Next year’s 2nd is counted as a 3rd round this year.

If you are only moving up to pick 32(590) then all you would need is a 2nd(360), 3rd(200) & a 4th(48).

590 = 608

I’d rather keep those picks myself.

I’d trade the Rams 2nd to go up for sure. I want to maximize our chances at being contenders for the next 3 years, not just 2019 and 2020. I think moving up might help that so long as we don’t give up a bunch of 2018 picks.

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What it would take to move to the 21st pick(800).

2nd (54) = 360
3rd (78) = 200
3rd (86) = 160
4th (122) = 50
4th (124) = 48

Not worth it.

You’d obviously trade future picks, like the Rams 2019 2nd. Wouldn’t take near as much.

Yup, no thanks. KC needs as many picks as possible. Now, if Vea, Payne or Derwin James are sitting in the mid 20s and you can give up 2019 2, 3 (86), 4 rounder? Maybe. That’d still leave us with 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 7. I’m not familiar with the trade chart. I’m going to look into that later.

If we trade up for Carlton Davis, which might not have to be too far, I'd be ecstatic

JFC. First ODB, now this. You've lost your damn mind.

Dude, I hope you don't have a secret stash of Vicodin and laughing gas at your home

Yea, I think he’s a very realistic target.

Not sure corner is high on the list with us having 3 guys already there starting this year. Maybe not a pick to get early due to lack of playing time?

You know who I’ve watched that I think would be one of the best fits of anyone in this draft in our defense?

Jessie Bates. Watched that kid today and ****ing love the guy.

2nd & 3rd this year

And whatever it takes from next year, we have a 1, 2-2's and a 3 too offer. It doesn't have to come from this year.

KC just needs to take it on the chin this draft season. I'm fine with being aggressive and moving but don't make any absurd moves that cost you future picks.

Time to eat your veggies. The pick selections are much better in 2019. That's when you can have your dessert.

Jesus Christ, this.

I'm absolutely fine with this. Development year. I was just throwing out some thoughts on moving up if someone fell.

Yup. Totally agree.

Suh planning to visit the Rams.

JFC.

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Will he be there in the 3rd round?

Give it the value of the last pick in round 2. That's as much value as anyone will give it, beings we COULD win the Superbowl and end up picking last in each round.

Donald & Suh? Jeezus.

Another reason 1st round picks are more valuable.

There is a premium to trade back into the first round

The round of a draft pick in the second-through-seventh rounds doesn’t impact the value, unless dealing with future picks, because the difference between the 64th and 65th overall picks is negligible. There is more value in the 64th pick because it’s earlier, not because it comes in the second round.

First round picks, however, have a special fifth-year option that is not included in the contracts of second round picks, creating an actual difference in value. For this reason, teams can match equivalent values in a trade, but the outside team will have to pay an additional premium of roughly a 5th-6th round pick to get back into the first round.

This premium is not baked into the table because teams that trade within the first round don’t require this premium.

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Let’s look at the 2017 Mahomes trade:

The Chiefs traded their 2017 1st round 27th pick, 2017 third-round pick(91st) and their 2018 1st round selection to the Buffalo Bills to move up to No. 10 to select Mahomes.

To make an even trade point-wise it was...

10th = 1300

for

27th = 680
91st = 136
2018 1st rounder = 484 in 2017(41st or 42nd) which was worth 780(22nd) this season.

Buffalo valued the Chiefs 1st rounder in 2018 the same as a mid 2nd round pick, the 41st or 42nd pick.

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Interesting read.

https://www.lockedonbrowns.com/brown...t-trade-chart/

Draft Trade Chart
Bill Dow
February 24, 2018


I have created my own draft trade chart using all of the Trades from the 1996-2017 drafts. Let me start by saying this – THERE IS NO ONE TRADE CHART THAT FITS ALL TRADES! The depth of the draft is different each year and thus the value of picks changes from year to year, particularly from round 3 on. Realizing this, I created a draft chart for each year 1996 through 2017 using the same basic parameters – Pick #1 was worth 10,000 and pick #256 was worth 1-5 points.

Which brings me to fact #2 – A SERIES OF ADJACENT PICKS MIGHT BE ASSIGNED THE SAME VALUE IN A GIVEN YEAR BECAUSE TRADES DEFINE THEM THAT WAY. The good news is that those “Flat spots” occur in different places in different years so overall there each pick is valued lower than the preceding pick. Then I simply averaged the value of each pick over the 22 years. In a couple of years the #1 pick was assigned a value greater than 10,000 because of a wild trade (See Eli Manning and Carson Wentz).

In fact the average value of pick #1 is 10,193. So to preserve the relative value of all picks, I multiplied the average value of each pick by 10,000/10,193.

Using the Chart

This chart works slightly differently than others on the net. Let me start with some definitions.

Traded Picks – The highest value pick given up by each team. Also any other swapped picks used to balance out a trade.

Compensation Pick – The additional pick received by the team moving down.

Bonus Pick(s) – Any pick additional to the compensation pick received by the team moving down.

Future Pick – Picks received from future drafts

Now the Rules

To calculate a trade:
1) Add up the values of picks being received by each team.

2) Future picks are valued at the midpoint value of the round one round later per year. So this year a 2019 3rd round pick would be valued at the midpoint between pick 16 and 17 of round 4. If the pick was a 2020 pick, it would be valued at the midpoint between pick 16 and 17 of round 5.

3) Bonus points are valued at their trade chart value plus 100 points (round 1-3) or 50 points (round 4-7). For future draft picks that are also bonus picks, the bonus points are still the same. That is a future 3rd round pick, that is a bonus pick, would earn 100 bonus points.

Now let’s see if I can figure out how to post the chart! I apologize for the small print, but I couldn’t figure out how to post it in landscape orientation. If I figure it out later, I will edit it then.

Sample Trade

Cleveland decides to trade back into the first round giving up #33, #65 and a 2019 Round 3 pick. #33(2784 points) + #65 (946 points) + 2019 R3 (=2018 Round4 259 points) + 100 bonus points for a future Round 3 = 4089

Cleveland receives Pick #20 from Detroit (4085 points).

I think guys here value corner and safety FAR more than the Chiefs do. We traded away Peters if that tells you something, and made due with Parker for years at safety. A guy nobody else wanted enough to keep us from acquiring him.

I'm not altogether sure they aren't perfectly happy going into next season relying on Amerson and Murray. They might get competent vet help and draft some guys to compete and develop, but they sure don't seem worried about those spots like the fans to.

I think they are far more concerned about Bailey being inconsistent at DE, and the lack of a consistent NT presence and the effect it's having on Jones and the pass rush.

It looks like they are going to press receivers more this year to give Houston and Ford(who they're stuck with) an extra second to get to the QB. No team let the QB get the ball out quicker than the Chiefs last year. Changing that makes a huge difference.

If they move into the first round, it's for D line. I think it'd be Vea. Personally, I think he's much much better than Payne.

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This guy was trying to figure out what the Jets would have to give up from 6th to 3rd in January.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/201...s_no_3_nf.html

The No. 3 pick holds a point value of 2,200. The Jets' No. 6 pick holds a value of 1,600. So the Jets would need to make up the difference.

Without taking into consideration compensatory draft picks, the rest of the Jets' picks hold the following values:

2nd Round: 520
2nd Round (Seahawks): 400
3rd Round: 240
4th Round: 92
5th Round (Cowboys): 33
6th Round: 25
7th Round (Seahawks): 7.4

If the Jets combined their first-round pick (1,500), one of their second-round picks (400), and a fourth-round pick (92), they'd get to 1,992 points. That's still a 208 point difference.

The Jets would have to include a future draft pick to close the gap -- potentially a second- or third rounder.

Teams will use the same chart to determine the value of future picks. They'll estimate where said team will be selecting, then go from there.

Example: A future Patriots' first-round pick is valued differently than that of the Browns.

Here's what a fair trade could look like for the Jets to move from the No. 6 pick in the draft, to No. 3:

COLTS GET: Jets 2018 1st-round pick (6th overall), 2nd-round pick (50th), 4th round-pick (102nd) | 2019 2nd-round pick [estimated between No. 15 and 20]

JETS GET: Colts' 2017 1st-round pick (3rd)

Here where things get tricky, though: The Jets may not be the only team competing for that draft pick.

The Broncos (5th overall), Cardinals (15th overall), Chargers (17th overall), Bills (21st, 22nd overall) and Jaguars (29th overall) could all be in the market for a quarterback. They too could want to move up. The Jets may offer a fair trade ... but it won't matter if another team offers more.

Teams, occasionally, will bid against each other, and have to give up more for the pick than it's worth. The Jets may have to overpay if they want to ensure they get their guy.

And it's gotten to the point where they may have to.

The Jets need a franchise quarterback. No matter the cost.
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Actual trade:

Jets acquired No. 3 overall pick from Colts for No. 6 overall pick, 37th overall pick, 49th overall pick and their 2019 2nd round pick.

If they aren't bothered about safety and CB then why give Berry that contract and why trade for Fuller when it's been widely reported that there were some other decent deals on the table? The Peters trade is a unique situation Imo where clearly off the field stuff were why he's not a Chief anymore, It couldn't have been about his performances. Veach also expressed an interest in honey badger at his last press conference, so I'm positive that both of those areas will be addressed in due course. If we don't get someone like a Tre Boston, then I see us going after those positions In the draft.

How the **** can they pay Suh after they pay Donald? Donald is getting QB money.

And their QB is getting veteran long snapper money. So is their running back and Peters.
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It’s gota be a one year deal. This is a good move by them going all in on their rookie QB