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petegz28 05-26-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9710240)
Embarrassing.

That is ****ing as sad as it gets.

ShowtimeSBMVP 05-26-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9710240)
Embarrassing.

Mike DiGiovanna ‏@MikeDiGiovanna 17m

#Angels RHP Jered Weaver will return to rotation Wed or Thur. RHP Tommy Hanson threw 5-inn, 75-P sim game sat, could P late week for Angels.


That's why he was sent down.

Jerm 05-26-2013 11:11 AM

He wasn't sent down...he was DFA'd...as in adios.

Only the Royals....

WhawhaWhat 05-26-2013 02:26 PM

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NW Arkansas Naturals ‏@nwanaturals
Final line for Danny Duffy: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K, HBP, 63 pitches
He had a shaky 25 pitch first inning with a hit and a walk, but breezed through the other 2.

Prison Bitch 05-26-2013 03:41 PM

Dayton Moore is on life support.

BigMeatballDave 05-26-2013 04:30 PM

Dayton Moore... Baseball's Scott Pioli

NWTF 05-26-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9710085)
I think Yost is an average manager. He does some good things, some arguable things that are defensible, and some bad things. I don't think firing him will "turn the team around," especially if Dayton Moore hires his replacement, unless it's part of a broader move to impose accountability on the whole organization.

Ned's biggest mistake was firing Seitzer. Would the team be hitting better if Seitzer were still here? Who knows? What we DO know is that Yost believed he had identified the problem and the solution -- and he was dead wrong. So you can hold him accountable for that.

The lineup stuff is aggravating, but really, most of those arguments involve trying to find a way to "hide" bad bats, and there are too many of them to do that. Yeah, hitting Getz leadoff is stupid, but playing him and batting him 9th really isn't much better.

The bottom line is there are too many crappy players on the roster -- Frenchy, Getz, etc. -- and too many prospects who haven't developed. And that all points to Dayton Moore.

Good post.

Firing Ned now would solve nothing. In fact chances are his replacement would be worse. I do not think Ned is a good manager, I also dont think hes horrible or even the one that should be blamed for this reality we are witnessing. He doesnt seem to bring anything to the table as a manager but there just isnt much to work with with this roster.

Any of us could have a turn at setting the lineup for a game and it would not matter. any team scoring 3 runs or less a game is going to loose night in night out.

stonedstooge 05-26-2013 05:02 PM

He's pulling pitchers quicker this year. That's the only plus I've noticed

cabletech94 05-26-2013 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9711014)
being a royals fan is like being on life support.

fyp

Simply Red 05-26-2013 05:55 PM

Butler's dugout rant was bauce.

FloridaMan88 05-26-2013 06:18 PM

Same thing with the Royals almost every year...

At some point early in the season... April or May they go on a killer losing streak that effectively puts them out of serious contention and then come late August and September when they have nothing to play for they start winning games.

Lono 05-26-2013 08:43 PM

Taking the family to the game tomorrow. Anyone know if you can take a soft sided cooler into the park like in St. Louis?

alnorth 05-26-2013 09:02 PM

If they showed DM's face on the video board, would the fans boo, or would they be like "huh, what are they showing him for? Isn't he in charge of marketing?"

gblowfish 05-26-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lono (Post 9711593)
Taking the family to the game tomorrow. Anyone know if you can take a soft sided cooler into the park like in St. Louis?

The Royals have a web site, it should have the answer you seek.
www.kcroyals.com

AussieChiefsFan 05-27-2013 02:35 AM

Well after losing 9 of the last 10 to the Astros and Angels, we can more than say goodbye to the next 7 games, vs the Cards and Rangers. LMAO

ChiTown 05-27-2013 06:10 AM

I have officially checked out on this Team. Shit, I almost got to June this year, which is nearly a month longer than usual.....Progress?

Archie F. Swin 05-27-2013 06:46 AM

"Nobody should hit .200. Anybody should hit .250"
~Charlie Lau

Archie F. Swin 05-27-2013 07:16 AM

Watching Royals baseball is like drinking alcohol. Twenty hours later, it seems like a good idea again.






Our Time......Wasted

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-27-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9711284)
Butler's dugout rant was bauce.

please elaborate.

Archie F. Swin 05-27-2013 08:28 AM

http://radblast-aws.wunderground.com...ing=0&smooth=0

Archie F. Swin 05-27-2013 09:59 AM

By this date last year, the Royals were 18-27



FML

Deberg_1990 05-27-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9712248)
By this date last year, the Royals were 18-27



FML

21-26 as of today...so progress?

gblowfish 05-27-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9712251)
21-26 as of today...so progress?

Fewer pieces of corn in the shit....progress!

gblowfish 05-27-2013 04:51 PM

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What's it been like to be a Royals fan the past couple weeks? News headlines from the Kansas City Royals OWN WEBSITE over the past two weeks:

Behind Shields, Royals drop Memorial Day matchup
Royals fall to Halos as Butler missing after ejection
Bats fall quiet behind Guthrie against surging Halos
Royals can't get right vs. lefty Vargas, Halos
Santana's reunion with Halos marred by homers
Royals extend one-run loss streak against Astros
Gordon dominant, but late homer drops Royals
Royals get on board early but fall vs. A's
Two late homers derail Shields' solid effort


Sounds like fun, eh? Who wouldn't want a front row seat for this?
Royals Baseball: Almost!

gblowfish 05-27-2013 05:23 PM

I despise losing to the Yanks, A's and Cards.
Theyve managed to do all three in one month.

Lovely.

Oh, in the last ten Memorial Day games, Royals are 1-9.
Yip-ee.

ChiTown 05-27-2013 05:40 PM

HATE, Hate, hate this ****ing franchise for luring me every ****ing Spring, just to serve me a shit sammich. **** these guys!

Prison Bitch 05-27-2013 05:52 PM

Nobody "lures" you in during Spring, you choose your fate. Vegas had 78 wins as the over under, so if you really thought they'd win way more than that you can only blame yourself.

Three7s 05-27-2013 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713044)
Nobody "lures" you in during Spring, you choose your fate. Vegas had 78 wins as the over under, so if you really thought they'd win way more than that you can only blame yourself.

Time for another rebuild. Maybe this time, with an actually competent GM. I'm just glad Glass won't have to worry his wallet over the possibility over signing potential superstars like Moose and Hosmer. They should be pretty cheap as role-players.

ChiTown 05-27-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713044)
Nobody "lures" you in during Spring, you choose your fate. Vegas had 78 wins as the over under, so if you really thought they'd win way more than that you can only blame yourself.

GFY

Deberg_1990 05-27-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9713088)
Time for another rebuild. Maybe this time, with an actually competent GM. I'm just glad Glass won't have to worry his wallet over the possibility over signing potential superstars like Moose and Hosmer. They should be pretty cheap as role-players.

I think I'm about done with this franchise if the season continues like this for the year. There doesn't appear any hope with this current ownership.

gblowfish 05-27-2013 06:52 PM

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Picture that came in my email tonight from a guy I know in St. Louis. Giving George Brett the finger in Kauffman Stadium.

Hope these gutless pussy losers can win at least ONE FRICKIN GAME against the Cards in KC tomorrow.

Did I mention they are gutless pussy losers???

Discuss Thrower 05-27-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9713119)
Picture that came in my email tonight from a guy I know in St. Louis. Giving George Brett the finger in Kauffman Stadium.

Hope these gutless pussy losers can win at least ONE FRICKIN GAME against the Cards in KC tomorrow.

Did I mention they are gutless pussy losers???

I am one of only two royals fans in my circle of friends. I feel you bro.

Shogun 05-27-2013 07:23 PM

Mondesi hit for the cycle tonight. He's 17

Reaper16 05-27-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shogun (Post 9713164)
Mondesi hit for the cycle tonight. He's 17

Unfortunately, 17 will also be his OPS+ once he's reached the major league level.

Prison Bitch 05-27-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9713107)
GFY

Only an idiot totally disbelieves Vegas. So it's not surprising that you disbelieved Vegas.

Stanley Nickels 05-27-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713188)
Only an idiot totally disbelieves Vegas. So it's not surprising that you disbelieved Vegas.

Here are MLB teams' wins in 2012, with Vegas' O/U wins going into the season in parentheses:

Arizona: 81 (84.5) Diff: -3.5
Atlanta: 94 (86.5) Diff: +7.5
Baltimore: 93 (70.5) Diff: +22.5
Boston: 69 (87.5) Diff: -18.5
Chicago Cubs: 61 (73.5) Diff: -12.5
Chicago WS: 85 (76.5) Diff: +8.5
Cincinnati: 97 (86.5) Diff: +10.5
Colorado: 64 (82.5) Diff: -18.5
Cleveland: 68 (75.5) Diff: -7.5

Detroit: 88 (94.5) Diff: -6.5
Houston: 55 (62.5) Diff: -7.5
Kansas City: 72 (78.5) Diff: -6.5
LAA: 89 (89.5) Diff: -0.5
LAD: 86 (81.5) Diff: +4.5
Miami: 69 (82.5) Diff: -13.5
Milwaukee: 83 (82.5) Diff: +0.5
Minnesota 66 (74.5) Diff: -8.5
NYM: 74 (74.5) Diff: -0.5
NYY: 95 (93.5) Diff: +1.5

Oakland: 94 (72.5) Diff: +21.5
Philadelphia: 81 (95.5) Diff: -14.5
Pittsburgh: 79 (73.5) Diff: +5.5
San Diego: 76 (70.5) Diff: +5.5
San Fran: 94 (87.5) Diff: +6.5
Seattle: 75 (72.5) Diff: +2.5
StL: 88 (84.5) Diff: +3.5
Tampa: 90 (87.5) Diff: +2.5
Texas: 93 (94.5) Diff: -1.5
Toronto: 73 (81) Diff: -8.0
Washington: 98 (80.5) Diff: +17.5




Yeah, staggering accuracy there. 15/30 teams were +/- 7.5 games or more outside of Vegas' predicted win total.

gblowfish 05-27-2013 08:12 PM

One of my other "St. Louis Friends" emailed me tonight. He said he knows what's wrong with the Royals:

"Lollygaggers!"

DeezNutz 05-27-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9713268)
One of my other "St. Louis Friends" emailed me tonight. He said he knows what's wrong with the Royals:

"Lollygaggers!"

Filter evasion. Reported.

Prison Bitch 05-27-2013 08:28 PM

According to Posnanski: In the last 11 games the Royals have hit 2 home runs. Both by 39 yr old Miguel Tejada

ChiTown 05-27-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713188)
Only an idiot totally disbelieves Vegas. So it's not surprising that you disbelieved Vegas.

Idiot? That's priceless coming from you.

siberian khatru 05-27-2013 08:38 PM

Mellinger's latest: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/27...#storylink=cpy

Highlights:

There’s no simple fix here. No easy move to make. The Royals’ skid is the fault of many, and to scapegoat anyone specifically would be unfair and misleading. But to continue with the status quo — pretending or hoping it’ll fix itself — would be delusional.

...

The Royals can sit around and hope their luck evens out, or they can show that losing in bunches is no longer acceptable. It won’t be entirely fair to whoever is dumped, but that’s not the point. The point is that something needs to change.

Mizzou_8541 05-27-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713301)
According to Posnanski: In the last 11 games the Royals have hit 2 home runs. Both by 39 yr old Miguel Tejada

OMG lol. God we suck. I love how when the Royals regress to the mean, all our overachievers become average, and our young "stars" continue to suck.

DeezNutz 05-27-2013 08:49 PM

The "fix" is to fire DM. Now, that's not simple, but that's the ultimate solution to the problem, which many of us have known for several years.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-27-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713301)
According to Posnanski: In the last 11 games the Royals have hit 2 home runs. Both by 39 yr old Miguel Tejada

I read on facebook that the Cubs pitchers have more home runs in the last 15 games or something than the entire Royals team.

Stanley Nickels 05-27-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9713340)
I read on facebook that the Cubs pitchers have more home runs in the last 15 games or something than the entire Royals team.

Since May 15, I believe. 3 vs 2. And they have three pitchers who have hit home runs. We have one player on our ENTIRE TEAM who has.

Prison Bitch 05-27-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 9713317)
OMG lol. God we suck. I love how when the Royals regress to the mean, all our overachievers become average, and our young "stars" continue to suck.

It does prove there are all sorts of castoffs and retreads who can hit more hr than our own players.

gblowfish 05-27-2013 09:15 PM

They won't change a goddamn thing until the All Star Break, if then.

They're still ahead of last year's pace by three games.
If they lose 89 games this year, they'll stick out their chest and say "PROGRESS!'
They could lose 90 and say "Well, we held our ground..."
This entire organization has no clue what it takes to win. Nor do they care. You think the Red Sox, or Yanks, or Texas would tolerate this? The Dodgers might whack Donnie Baseball. If they do, maybe we should go grab him and punt Ned. Of course, he chose Trey Hillman as his bench coach, so maybe he's not such a smart guy after all.

Prison Bitch 05-27-2013 09:17 PM

I don't really hold Dayton to the expectations of large payroll teams. But I do think he should be compared to peer clubs and after 7 years its clear he can't ever out do any of them either.

SAUTO 05-27-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9713119)
Picture that came in my email tonight from a guy I know in St. Louis. Giving George Brett the finger in Kauffman Stadium.

Hope these gutless pussy losers can win at least ONE FRICKIN GAME against the Cards in KC tomorrow.

Did I mention they are gutless pussy losers???

Looks more like the dumbass is flipping someone else off and George is hitting him with the bat
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gblowfish 05-27-2013 09:30 PM

Several years ago when I was still blogging the Royals on a daily basis, I decided to root for "visitor," and made that my team record. I called the team the "Kansas City Kanchos." The Kanchos won over 100 games and won the AL Central by more than ten games.

"Kancho" is a Japanese term. It's Japanese slang for "finger enema" and is also called "a thousand years of pain." In short, the perfect nickname for your Kansas City Royals.

So looks like Royals fans are getting "Kancho'ed" again this year.
Bend over, Royals Fans. Time for the Kancho!

http://www.kancho.org/

petegz28 05-27-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713368)
I don't really hold Dayton to the expectations of large payroll teams. But I do think he should be compared to peer clubs and after 7 years its clear he can't ever out do any of them either.

GMDM has done some rather stupid things that seem to revolve around ignorance..

1. He doesn't seem to grasp the concept of .OBP
2. He brings in managers or coaches that have dick for experience or prior success


He hired I think the only manager to be fired in the middle of a playoff run
He hired a manager that had no experience in American MLB
He fired Seitzer and brought in 2 hitting coaches that have absolutely dick for ML experience

The list goes on

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-27-2013 09:48 PM

Outside view here:

How much do you think that the Royals' hitters underachieve because they aren't properly developed before they get to the major leagues? Far too many of your big name prospects have either disappointed outright or floundered for several years for it to just be bad luck.

Do you think that Royals prospects tend to be overhyped in general? Are they not properly developed? Or is it a combination of the two?

DeezNutz 05-27-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9713417)
Outside view here:

How much do you think that the Royals' hitters underachieve because they aren't properly developed before they get to the major leagues? Far too many of your big name prospects have either disappointed outright or floundered for several years for it to just be bad luck.

Do you think that Royals prospects tend to be overhyped in general? Are they not properly developed? Or is it a combination of the two?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=172

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-27-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9713423)

So, given that you apparently have Brandon Wood and a poor man's James Loney, what do you think is the division of culpability?

DeezNutz 05-27-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9713427)
So, given that you apparently have Brandon Wood and a poor man's James Loney, what do you think is the division of culpability?

Begins and ends with talent, or lack thereof in this case. True stars cannot be "regressed" in my view.

Hosmer comes on the scene at 21 and flashes brightly, but his swing is sooooo ****ing long that the league immediately adjusts and stifles him.

Moose was, arguably, not even the best player on his HS team.

DM, whom I've consistently obliterated on this site, has been the beneficiary of artificially high system rankings because of KC's draft position. No more, no less.

Demonpenz 05-27-2013 09:59 PM

I think it is overhype a bit, as soon as I saw Hosmers swing back in the day I was like wow he has to have that kind of loadup to have power? I never really had an opinion on Moose other than he had a fat ass.

DeezNutz 05-27-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9713439)
I think it is overhype a bit, as soon as I saw Hosmers swing back in the day I was like wow he has to have that kind of loadup to have power? I never really had an opinion on Moose other than he had a fat ass.

Overhype or not, DM's biggest failure has been his reluctance to trade prospects for talent. In particular, he was far too protective of pitching "prospects," thus nullifying any positive returns on investment.

Draft pitchers. Trade pitchers. Rinse, repeat.

Demonpenz 05-27-2013 10:24 PM

I think I am throwing in the towel on this season and I hope Dayton and Yost get canned, but at least there is some parts there. Salvy, Gordon, Cain, Escabar, Shields, Holland, Crow, Guthrie, and if duffy and paulino come back...I think they maybe alright in the future.

Bowser 05-27-2013 10:28 PM

The story of the lives of the pro sports teams of this city for years on end - they all have "potential".

You know what having potential means? It means you haven't ****ing done it yet.

I so remember when this town was a baseball town. Loved those days. Fast forward to today and we have people who have literally lived their entire lives, gotten married and had kids that have no memory of the Royals being in the playoffs ever. That is nothing short of incredible.

DeezNutz 05-27-2013 10:29 PM

Escobar will either need to improve or be replaced.

.255/.283/.337 with an OPS+ of 68 doesn't play, and I don't suddenly see him becoming an OB machine.

Bowser 05-27-2013 10:33 PM

Escobar has regressed badly at the plate this year. The whole damned team outside of Gordon has regressed badly at the plate this year.

KevB 05-27-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9713476)
Escobar will either need to improve or be replaced.

.255/.283/.337 with an OPS+ of 68 doesn't play, and I don't suddenly see him becoming an OB machine.

I'm convinced it's organizational design; we don't take walks, we're "aggressive". For guys like Escobar who aren't going to slug all that much, OBP should be gospel to him.

SPchief 05-28-2013 12:27 AM

Escobar shouldn't be hitting in the 2 slot. It should be:
(As the roster sits now)
Cain
Gordon
Butler
Hosmer (I know I'll catch heat)
Escobar
Kottaras
Moose/Tejada
Johnson
Frenchy (since there's no one else to throw out there in right)


What it should be once Salvy comes back and Dyson is off the DL (AL I hope you check me because I think it's Sunday)

Dyson
Cain
Gordon
Butler
Perez
Escobar
Hosmer
Johnson
Moose/Tejada

AussieChiefsFan 05-28-2013 12:51 AM

Well it was fun while it lasted, I guess.

petegz28 05-28-2013 07:12 AM

"Mac" was on 810 this morning and one of the things he said was "knock off the stupid hand gestures.." LMAO

KCUnited 05-28-2013 07:22 AM

It's hard to ask a guy not to press and to take a walk when you have Francoeur, Moose, and Getz in the lineup.

Unfortunately, this is probably all we'll be able to get from Glass and I'm afraid Dayton has bungled it up badly enough that Glass will turtle back up financially. Dayton needed to succeed with this payroll and at this point it's looking like another failure. Weather taxed attendance in April and the annual shit show will tax it the rest of the year, something I'm sure Glass was counting on when he upped payroll.

I have yet to attend a regular season game this year. Taking a lulz approach to professional sports in KC has been one of the better long term decisions I've made.

SPATCH 05-28-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 9713685)
It's hard to ask a guy not to press and to take a walk when you have Francoeur, Moose, and Getz in the lineup.

Unfortunately, this is probably all we'll be able to get from Glass and I'm afraid Dayton has bungled it up badly enough that Glass will turtle back up financially. Dayton needed to succeed with this payroll and at this point it's looking like another failure. Weather taxed attendance in April and the annual shit show will tax it the rest of the year, something I'm sure Glass was counting on when he upped payroll.

I have yet to attend a regular season game this year. Taking a lulz approach to professional sports in KC has been one of the better long term decisions I've made.

I have been taking this approach to the Royals for years; then, like an idiot, I decided I was all in at the beginning of the month.

****in' awesome.

KCUnited 05-28-2013 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 9713706)
I have been taking this approach to the Royals for years; then, like an idiot, I decided I was all in at the beginning of the month.

****in' awesome.

They nearly had me around the first week of May, but their problems were evident back in April. No power and a bunch of come from behind victories that was never going to be sustainable.

Three7s 05-28-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9713674)
"Mac" was on 810 this morning and one of the things he said was "knock off the stupid hand gestures.." LMAO

This

Good teams are priveledged to do that sort of thing. Bad teams aren't.

EDIT:

2000 posts!

duncan_idaho 05-28-2013 08:14 AM

So...

all my worst thoughts and fears about this team and May becoming real so far.

General thoughts:

1) Yost is clueless, but I don't expect him to get fired any time soon. I doubt Dayton Moore is allowed to hire a third manager.

Moore has handicapped him, but he continues to exacerbate the issues by refusing to deal in reality and his lineup construction has been particularly awful.

2) One of the reasons the Royals don't walk is that teams are not scared of them. It's not coincidence that guys with big power have an easier time drawing walks. Because opposing pitchers pitch them carefully and attempt to be more fine. Why in the world would a pitcher EVER be scared to throw a fastball to Chris Getz, Jeff Francoeur, Elliott Johnson when down in the count?

The Royals hitters are also too impatient and swing at too many pitches out of the zone. That depresses walks. But I don't know that it depresses them as much as pitchers being fine with challenging the Royals in hitters counts.

3) Alex Gordon and Billy Butler both must have "good" years for them (perform at established levels) for this offense to even come close to producing at an average level. Right now, one of them isn't.

4) The way Hosmer and Moustakas are being treated clearly isn't working, but it seems like a lot of people in the organization are plugging their ears and ignoring that. It's fine to give them time on April 21. A month later - hell, two weeks later - it's time to ask some more detailed questions.

5) The starting pitching has been tremendous, and I still enjoying watching Shields, Santana, even Guthrie and Mendoza pitch.

This weekend's start aside, Wade Davis has been disastrous. Worse than when he was a starter in Tampa (where he was at least a league average guy). Incredibly worrisome. If they don't get at least No. 4 production out of Davis...

I'll leave with my current lineup thought, since I criticized its setup earlier.

9 - Lough (I'll leave him there until Dyson is back in a few games)
3 - Hosmer (if he's going to be a slap hitter who walks at a league-average rate, at least put him somewhere that holds some value)
7 - Gordon (L-L-L is not ideal, but Gordon and Hosmer both have good platoon splits against lefties)
DH - Butler (it appears he didn't approach this season with the necessary vigor, but still the best option here)
8 - Cain
1 - Perez
5 - Someone not named Moustakas (he needs time in Omaha at this point)
4 - Elliott Johnson. (Has earned the job unless they call up Gio or Colon)
6 - Escobar (Fits him much better than the 2-hole, where his lack of OBP ability hurts greatly unless he's hitting .300)

Three7s 05-28-2013 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9713750)
So...

all my worst thoughts and fears about this team and May becoming real so far.

General thoughts:

1) Yost is clueless, but I don't expect him to get fired any time soon. I doubt Dayton Moore is allowed to hire a third manager.

Moore has handicapped him, but he continues to exacerbate the issues by refusing to deal in reality and his lineup construction has been particularly awful.

2) One of the reasons the Royals don't walk is that teams are not scared of them. It's not coincidence that guys with big power have an easier time drawing walks. Because opposing pitchers pitch them carefully and attempt to be more fine. Why in the world would a pitcher EVER be scared to throw a fastball to Chris Getz, Jeff Francoeur, Elliott Johnson when down in the count?

The Royals hitters are also too impatient and swing at too many pitches out of the zone. That depresses walks. But I don't know that it depresses them as much as pitchers being fine with challenging the Royals in hitters counts.

3) Alex Gordon and Billy Butler both must have "good" years for them (perform at established levels) for this offense to even come close to producing at an average level. Right now, one of them isn't.

4) The way Hosmer and Moustakas are being treated clearly isn't working, but it seems like a lot of people in the organization are plugging their ears and ignoring that. It's fine to give them time on April 21. A month later - hell, two weeks later - it's time to ask some more detailed questions.

5) The starting pitching has been tremendous, and I still enjoying watching Shields, Santana, even Guthrie and Mendoza pitch.

This weekend's start aside, Wade Davis has been disastrous. Worse than when he was a starter in Tampa (where he was at least a league average guy). Incredibly worrisome. If they don't get at least No. 4 production out of Davis...

I'll leave with my current lineup thought, since I criticized its setup earlier.

9 - Lough (I'll leave him there until Dyson is back in a few games)
3 - Hosmer (if he's going to be a slap hitter who walks at a league-average rate, at least put him somewhere that holds some value)
7 - Gordon (L-L-L is not ideal, but Gordon and Hosmer both have good platoon splits against lefties)
DH - Butler (it appears he didn't approach this season with the necessary vigor, but still the best option here)
8 - Cain
1 - Perez
5 - Someone not named Moustakas (he needs time in Omaha at this point)
4 - Elliott Johnson. (Has earned the job unless they call up Gio or Colon)
6 - Escobar (Fits him much better than the 2-hole, where his lack of OBP ability hurts greatly unless he's hitting .300)

You forgot to mention the release of Getz and Francouer.

siberian khatru 05-28-2013 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9713674)
"Mac" was on 810 this morning and one of the things he said was "knock off the stupid hand gestures.." LMAO

I heard Brett on 610 this morning and he sounded really depressed. The past couple of weeks he's been "you fight through it" and "I always appreciated my manager showing confidence in me," etc. Today, he was very downcast.

duncan_idaho 05-28-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9713757)
You forgot to mention the release of Getz and Francouer.

Wasn't that implied?

Three7s 05-28-2013 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9713775)
I heard Brett on 610 this morning and he sounded really depressed. The past couple of weeks he's been "you fight through it" and "I always appreciated my manager showing confidence in me," etc. Today, he was very downcast.

Reality finally hit him. Soon, it will start hitting the players, coaches, and our GM, if not already, then everything will be blown up.

duncan_idaho 05-28-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9713793)
Reality finally hit him. Soon, it will start hitting the players, coaches, and our GM, if not already, then everything will be blown up.

Only one of those people has the ability to make real changes, and it's unlikely he will.

What really matters is reality hitting the owner.

Archie F. Swin 05-28-2013 08:52 AM

Two weeks ago I dropped a bundle on tickets to this Friday's Royals @ Rangers game. Then, this morning I find out we'll make the 2 1/2 trip to watch Wade Davis pitch.






well shitballs....

duncan_idaho 05-28-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9713799)
Two weeks ago I dropped a bundle on tickets to this Friday's Royals @ Rangers game. Then, this morning I find out we'll make the 2 1/2 trip to watch Wade Davis pitch.






well shitballs....

Ouch.

Especially since Saturday will be Darvish vs. Shields.

Prison Bitch 05-28-2013 09:03 AM

Greinke has 3 hr in 116 career ab. Here are the ratios for the hilarious losers this year:



No-pop Perez: 1 in 156
Hosmer: 1 in 186
Getz. 1 in 105
Cain. 1 in 156
Frenchy: 1 in 150



Let that stew for a moment.

Archie F. Swin 05-28-2013 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9713804)
Ouch.

Especially since Saturday will be Darvish vs. Shields.


but.....but.....we'll be there on a Fireworks Friday!

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-28-2013 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9713807)
Greinke has 3 hr in 116 career ab. Here are the ratios for the hilarious losers this year:



No-pop Perez: 1 in 156
Hosmer: 1 in 186
Getz. 1 in 105
Cain. 1 in 156
Frenchy: 1 in 150



Let that stew for a moment.

I think it's safe to say, one of those guys is overperforming as well.


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