Starting your own network > Participating in a conference network

And we've had baby DeArmonds ventriloquist for several years too. It's cute how you wrench your face when he massages your prostate.

So that's not exactly them ****ing you in the ass, is it?

Probably. The difference is that Texas is bigger than the Big XII, so we can't stop them out of fear they'll leave.

Florida is not bigger than the SEC, and they stand to make more money by dividing up SEC network revenue than they do by having a stand-alone Gator network.

Sounds like a good tradeoff to try and keep the idiocy and whining at bay.

Of course, if you're name is Texas.

Why share with the peasants when you can convince them that less money is a good thing?

Sure it is. Its just not rape because we let them do it.

Kind of a weird point you have here.

You're thinking of duncan_idaho, actually.

If want to keep that shit at bay you should post on PowerMuttzou exclusively.

I think we just have different definitions of being ****ed in the ass. To me, the phrase implies that you're being taken advantage of somehow or that you're being slighted or hurt in some way. To you, it seems that if someone is not charitable with you, they're ****ing you in the ass. It must suck being the victim 100% of the time in your life.

And the thing is, I LIKE all the Mizzou fans on this board. Especially easyb. This realignment shit has made me a bit grouchy.

Sorry easy...i take those last two statements back. That was shitty of me.

Do you have anymore KK ideas you want to parrot today or are you just going to wait until tomorrow's menstruation?

You've obviously mistaken me for somebody else. But I deserved that.

Doesn't Florida get $10MM/year? You are basically saying that an SEC network would be per school, not just better, but A LOT better than the B1G network. Possible I guess, but I'll need to see that happen before I believe it.

I don't feel like a victim at all. We got what we accepted. We then put ourselves in a position to leave and prosper. Must suck having no pride, as KU seems content.

I don't know how you feel, but you sure have been acting like a victim, crying how Bevo has been ****ing you in the ass for 15 years when in reality they just weren't being charitable.

Pride in what? Having 25 million people live in your state? You're acting like a doofus, man.

Oh ballsack!

Actually, I interpret what they are doing, or not doing in your eyes, as having a lot of pride.
Pride in sticking to an agreement, and abiding by a contract made with other members for the good of the whole.

But in the end, I have a feeling Mizzou is going to FEEL the pride of the other members of the Big 12. We shall see.

LMAO

I'm not crying about Bevo. They did what's best for them, and I don't blame them a bit. I'm just not willing to sit back and take it if there are better options. In any other league, if you're a member, you're an equal partner. Texas doesn't want to play by those rules, and they don't have to. Maybe Kansas has no choice than to sit there and pick seeds out of the shit stuck to Bevo's ass. If that's the case, then Kansas should enjoy the seeds.

The bottom line is that there is not a single Jayhawk or Wildcat fan that isn't envious of the opportunity that Mizzou (supposedly) has. If you had a PAC/B1G/SEC invite, you'd take it in a heartbeat. Instead, you want to take shots at Mizzou for finding a better situation.

It's human nature. Misery loves company, and if Mizzou bolts to become an equal partner in the premiere league in the country, you'll feel inadequate and try to take it out on Mizzou fans. That's cool. This isn't a bad 80s movie where the nerd becomes cool only to realize that his old loser friends were actually better than the good-looking, popular kids. Sometimes losers are dorks because they don't bathe or leave their parents' basements and the good-looking popular kids got where they are by working out and learning basic social skills.

The only way Mizzou is going to walk away from Alabama and Florida and LSU and Auburn and Tennessee and Georgia and Arkansas to go dance with Iowa State and Kansas and Kansas State and Baylor and Texas Tech is if the ugly chick gets contacts and loses the braces and lets her hair down and develops rockin' titties and her acne clears up. The conference is re-working itself to try to do that in order to convince MU to stay. We'll see if it works, but don't be pissed at Missouri if it doesn't.

Kansas is as faithful as it's options. Don't pretend that you're doing the noble thing by standing by your man when nobody else is calling.

I wouldn't for a heartbeat go to the SEC. We'd get killed.

Saul, two things:

1) you watch terrible movies

2) as I've stated in this thread over and over: I don't care if Mizzou stays or goes. Just decide and be done with it.

Yeah, we've definitely entered "shit or get off the pot" terrirtory. Most likely have been there for too long as it is.

This post is so full of fail, I don't even know where to start. Let me try.

1. Yes, you've been crying about Bevo. That's one of the main reasons you and yours cite for wanting out of the conference.

2. The fans were only envious of the opportunity when it looked like the Big 12 was about to collapse. I would be all for Kansas going to the B1G as of right now, other than that my 2nd choice is to stay in the B12, especially if L'ville and WVU can be added.

3. Where are these shots being taken at MU? If it hurts your feelings when we say we don't care whether you leave, I'm sorry, that's just how we feel. It's not a shot at you. All we ask for is you give us money on your way out. If you want to stay, we're down with that too.

4. I don't think Kansas will feel inadequate should MU leave. We win where we can with the resources we have. You do the same, albeit not as well.

5. Once again, I don't see where you get the idea that we will be pissed if MU doesn't stay.

GLHF

:spock:

I realize you are lashing out at KU fans in annoyance, but take what, exactly?

Tier 1 and 2 are now shared. The LHN wont show any form of high school content at all. A blood oath to the conference that will carry us through to the new Tier 1 deal. And finally, KU has one of the greatest Tier 3 deals in the country, so the Jayhawks would be one of the few schools hurt by Tier 3 sharing.

I've been reading about KU butthurt for weeks in this thread, but outside of maybe one person, I haven't seen any. It's like some of you are demanding jealousy before anything has even happened. Sure, I'd love it if KU was invited to a stable conference, but excuse me if, in the meantime, I don't drool over MU's attempted bids to get into the Big 10 and SEC.

Shut up, bitch. Your logic holds no meaning for us.

I'm offended. Go **** yourself.

Please, feel free to correct me where I am wrong. All I know is what I see and read. I think you are jumping to a lot of conclusions to be honest.

Has Kansas lifted it's skirt to any other conferences trying to get an invite?

Has Mizzou, two years in a row?

Usually where there is smoke, there is fire, and visibility in Columbia has been zero for two consecutive years.

I think pretty much every team in the Big 12 has had conversations with another conference, if not multiple conferences, because it appeared the conference was going to fall apart when OU and Texas went to the Pac 12. I think Colorado and Nebraska are pretty much the only two honest combatants in the whole deal. They said "This sucks, we're out, see ya" and that was that. Everyone else was ready to prostitute themselves out and now are sitting around the table like nothing happened. That's why it's funny watching this thread. All these fans of different schools slinging crap at each other, even though if another conference opened its skirt to any of these teams from OU to KU to MU on down, you would stab each other in the back without thinking twice.

tk13, you must be privy to a lot more information than I have seen.

Earlier you said OU and Texas were shopping the PAC expansion last year, not just this year.

Now you say that KU was looking at other conferences.

Was there ever any credible sources saying that KU and or K-State were talking to other conferences?
I remember reading something about the Big East, but I thought that was just CP skuttlebutt. No?

I don't really know anything special. I don't have any rooting interest in any of these schools, and to be honest I don't like the whole superconference idea. I just have a decent memory I guess. Here you go. This was reported as fact by ESPN (and many other outlets) last year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5284375

You mean the PAC 10 plane wasn't ready to go?

Thanks, guess I totally missed that one or just wasn't paying attention. It is very relevant to the information I was forming my opinion from. It changes things significantly.

Like you, I don't like the superconference idea, and prefer tradition. It just seems like more and more everything is about money.

LMAO, guess not.

Sounds like Delaney & the B1G might be waking up.

KU has to stand by Bevo & Boomer Sooner or they'll end up cuddling with Colorado St & Wyoming or Louisville & Cincinnati.

I don't understand why this isn't getting more attention. This likely either means that they are going to the ACC or to the B1G. If they go to the ACC, I would guess that they are going with West Virginia or UCONN, but neither seem all that likely. I suppose Cincy or Louisville could be a dark horse, but that doesn't make much sense.

The B1G is interesting because Pitt already went to the ACC, and they were supposedly a B1G target last time. Who would be partnered with Rutgers? Notre Dame? Texas? Mizzou? Neinas has to be shitting in his Depends right now.

If they weren't, then the chancellor should be fired. It is fine to publicly play the loyal soldier and to quietly tell everyone you won't leave unless the conference falls apart, but if they weren't trying to find a landing spot just in case OU left, then they are too F-ing stupid to lead a university.

Yeah there's no doubt Mizzou can't come near to losing like KU does! Think OU will hang a 100 on ya?

OU & OSU were already out the door with Ut & TT until Scott slammed the door in their faces. How come they didn't feel any heat from KU/KSU/ISU?

OU is going to score one point for every 100 fans in attendance.

I have little doubt they were, but I thought they kept the information confidential, thus not causing further instability. That is why I was asking if something was out there that I missed.

It was obvious to me by Bill Self's comments, that shit must be real behind closed doors.

I hope OU travels well, then.

There was all kinds of "we have options" talk. The PAC 10 plane had called the ball.

Until the university presidents slammed the door in their faces because no one wants to deal with Texas and its bullshit.

:banghead: I keep forgetting that in NCAA football, that style points and victory margins do count.

But at least KU has a football powerhouse tied with them in the Big 12 cellar.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/standings

I am guessing Kentucky is looking forward to the rumored SEC expansion.

WTF !?!? Geezus there are so many posts on here that are absurdly laughable debating the penalties with some crackpipe legal analysis, and some rather delusional justifications going on.

1st, the Big 12 can seek the maximum penalty for MU leaving. Each member signed the contract and has a duty specific to the contract. I don't know if that's 25 mil or whatever it is, but nothing legally restricts the B12 from going after the max / more than 6 mil. Last year the remaining members SETTLED with CU & NU on 6 mil. That doesn't mean that the contract was ratified as the new max, just that they agreed on a price for the B12 to not seek further legal action- a decision that would be cleared by all the remaining member institutions including MU. So there is little room to claim that defense since they were a party to its proceeding last year.

Contract disputes can be enforced, broken, seek damages or specific performance or otherwise remedy thru equitable justice. If the lang of the contract regarding the damages section spells out a percentage, then the figure could be higher than 25 mil, but I doubt that would be the case. If it went to court the judge has discretion so long as there is no unjust enrichment.

As to the B12 Commish's comment, how are they out of line when MU held a news conf stating their intention to explore switching confs. He is well within his duty and legal standing to respond to questions since its an ongoing and unsettled matter of the B12 once MU made their announcement and it looks like competing factions within MU are leaking info left and right to either push MU to go or try to kill the chances of it.

You don't use an escape hatch that you don't want to use unless, you know, you have to escape.

I'm saying that just blindly standing on the bridge of the ship and yelling at everyone to calm down while spending no time at all to look for an out would be dumb.

Well yeah, I'm not agitated by the lack of information like a lot of stupid KU fans. If they have an out, I don't need to know about it. If KU has no out and are totally screwed if the conference falls, I don't need to know that either. Thankfully, we seem to have fewer leaks than MU.

Yes, they settled for an agreed amount of damages. You can pretend that those numbers won't be used as a starting point for determining damages in the future, but that's not a very bright position.

Missouri gave Deaton the authority to explore options. So fuccking what? Its not the Big XII's place to make sure that MU never looks around. I have a phone contract with Sprint, but I'm checking out AT&T. That's none of Sprint's business.

Missouri has made no official movement towards exiting the conference, and until they do, it is the conference's duty to act in the best interests of all of its members. You are welcome to believe that public threats against amember in good standing that has publicly said nothing beyond "we are proud members of the Big XII" won't be seen as the conference violating its duty to a member, but I think you're silly.

In all liklehood, Neinas knows that MU is out the door and wants to push them out so that they can start finding new members. MU has nothing to gain by leaving early. They longer we wait, the more aggressive Neinas gets, and the stronger our case becomes when we say that we didn't jump, we were pushed.

I was talking about winning and I'm sure you knew that when you posted this absolute abortion of a post.

I know you want to be shortsighted, but I was talking about conference wins and national championships. One school has them, the other doesn't. I'm not even bringing BCS bowls up. LMAO

Speaking of shortsighted, your entire post is based on - SURPRISE! - basketball, which we all know is uber important. LMAO

If we're talking football, ku has never finished above Mizzou in the history of the Big 12.

If we're talking overall athletic departments, ku finished last in the Director's Cup standings this part year and was one of the five worst programs among the major conferences.

If we are comparing head-to-head results, Mizzou has a 7-2 record in the Border Showdown series and has won the last 5 years.

But yeah, ku is all about WINNING! and CHAMPIONSHIPS! You make a fine Robin to wickeddumb's Batman.

Wickedpants! LMAO

LMAO

/sigh

KU and MU are 4-4 in the last 8 years with KU's last win coming in 2008. Not really sure where you came up with your numbers, but like the rest of your post, they're wrong.

And, look, I'm not saying KU is some kind of national powerhouse, I'm just saying we win where we can (basketball) and you win where you can (women's softball or whatever). I'm sorry that your school is mediocre in both football and basketball.

KU has a rich tradition in a secondary sport, your school is as generic as they come in every aspect. Hopefully, KU can get over this Gill period with a solid coaching hire in a couple of years and maybe one day we can reach your mediocrity levels in football again.

Please tell me when ku finished ahead of Mizzou in football during the history of the Big 12 if I am wrong. Thanks.

Yes you are good at basketball and pretty awful at everything else, hence your terrible Director's Cup standings that include all sports. You also are pretty terrible against Mizzou in every sport that isn't men's basketball. This is the point.

See prior comment. Mizzou is generally a top 25 team in both football and basketball. ku is top 5-10 in basketball and bottom 5-10 in football. ku's entire athletic department is a one trick pony. I guess fans learn to accept it though, it's apparent you really just can't do any better.

Since 1994, you have never finished ahead of your bitter rival in the premier sport. That has to be pretty humbling.

I honestly don't know about sports that aren't televised, but again, you're wrong. KU is not terrible against MU in football, I suggest you look up the records before you claim something as stupid again. Maybe in your head this is true, but that's the same place that thought MU was up 7-2 in head to head record in the last 9 years and won 5 in a row.

Yes, I accept that out of the two sports that are televised, KU gets one that is an absolutely elite program while the other one is garbage more often than it's not.

Not really. We get to celebrate championships every year. The last time you got to celebrate a championship was when you won a meaningless Big12 Conference Basketball Tournament, unless of course you're a big fan of womens softball or whatever it was. I seem to remember you, yourself, being awfully proud of that basketabll championship which spurred an argument or two about how you "don't care about basketball."

Burrrrn! ZiinnGG!!

Someone just got Ballsacked!

Maybe you should reread your original post, which implied ku has conference wins and Mizzou doesn't. It was a stupid, wickeddumb-esque post that you got called on, and now you are changing the goalposts to fit your flawed argument.

I never said ku was terrible against Mizzou in head-to-head football. What I did say was ku has never finished ahead of Mizzou in Big 12 football standings since the Big 12 was formed in 1994, and that Mizzou more often than not beat ku head-to-head in all sports except for men's basketball. Those are facts.

I also pointed out that ku is dead last in the Director's Cup standings which include all sports, so that would be pretty impressive to finish last yet still somehow win more conference games than Mizzou. Almost impossible even.

You get to celebrate a conference championship in men's basketball almost every year, that is true. However, for all but maybe 3-5 schools in the entire country, basketball takes a huge backseat to football, and having a consistently competitive football team is more preferable than top 10 basketball and bottom 10 football. That's just reality.

Mizzou BB has finished in the top 25 twice in the past 10 years, and Mizzou FB has finished in the top 25 three times in 10 years.... and those years include some of the best finishes in both sports. I wouldn't call that 'generally'.

No, you said KU was terrible against MU in head-to-head in every sport except basketball. Every sport includes football, which, -SURPRISE!- is the premier sport. So -SURPRISE!- you were wrong again.

If MU is the bestest ever in the money-losing sports, more power to you, I guess. I'm too lazy to go look the records of that up to even see if that's the case.

Hello? ku IS generally terrible against Mizzou in head-to-head competition. How the fuck can you argue Border Showdown results, which are - SURPRISE - an award given to the team the performs that best in head-to-head competition for that year? Mizzou has won five straight years. That is not insignificant.

Good call on saying you are too lazy to look up the results. It is a nice cover for you to act like you don't care, even though you've continued this conversation all morning. You clearly just don't care at all.

Of course I care. I just don't care about women's softball and volleyball.

Oh, and I didn't realize that Border Showdown was an all-encompassing award. My apologies. I thought you were talking about the football game. You weren't wrong then about the 7-2 record. Not sure why you didn't address that earlier. That's a :facepalm: on my part.

Seen at Occupy Wall Street:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr....R3tqWQE44L8%3D

I guess us 3-5 schools will just have to cheer for conference championships, tourney championships in a secondary sport while you are cheering for...........what exactly?

Finishing top 25 once every 3 years. DUH!

If I could trade Mizzou's football and basketball programs for KU's, I wouldn't even consider it.

If I could trade KU's football and basketball programs for MU's, I wouldn't even consider it. KU is a coaching hire away from being able to compete (see Mangino), but nothing can every replace the rich, championship tradition of basketball at Kansas.

Being competitive in the premier sport. Isn't that obvious?

Football is king. Everything else is a secondary sport.

I guess if just being competitive is enough for you, more power to you.

Yeah, it is a hard sport that every school pours the majority of their resources in. It is fun to have exciting games, winning seasons, and play in bowl games, instead of being a national punchline for the sport.

Our record will likely be impacted early on by a move to the SEC, but the move will generate even greater excitement, attendance, and financial resources. Why? Because more games against premier opponents, in the premier conference, for the premier sport.

I understand why a KU fan wouldn't want to trade programs, but I believe that the Big XII is doomed to fail. If it does, a strong football program is more likely to land a seat on a life boat than an elite basketball program. In my mind, priority #1 is to not get left on the outside looking in. Right now, there is no priority #2.

ROFL But, but they are really good and stuff. I like the color of their uniforms!

Yeah, this is why I hope our next hire is better than Turner Gill.

We'll (You'll) know after next season. Maybe there's another Harbaugh out there.