I think the Breece comp makes sense as far as usage but quality or skill overall I think Etienne is where I see Henderson.

Reading up on Henderson and I do not like the "bad vision" comments that keep getting repeated a lot

Well maybe stop doing this shit every year where you just read scouting reports and hyper focus on them while taking them as gospel. How would that have worked with Mahomes?

His vision is fine. It's not a huge plus, but not "bad" either.

Nor necessarily. He may have said it on a podcast or TV.

You're right I should grind tape and become a college football fan before I comment on a chat board

Its Conerly or no one if we go OL. I just cant talk my self into Simmons medicals and my jobs not on the line.

Deep down I hope its Burden. We can never have enough pass catchers and he could make Rashees questionable second contract a non factor.

No, I'm just saying don't take scouting reports as gospel. That's all.

My final mock if anybody here is interested:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...wpost&t=357921

Looking good man! From what I’ve heard/read, Burch is going top 50 unfortunately.

I really want him badly :(

I think I'd probably end up putting Burden in/around 7 last season.

Purely as prospects, you have Harrison, Nabers, Odunze and Thomas ahead of him. And honestly, they'd be ahead of everyone in this class, IMO.

So now you're looking at Mitchell, McConkey, Worthy, Pearsall and Coleman? Probably have Mitchell in that group? I'd have had Franklin up there and just been obviously wrong.

I'd put Burden....man, maybe ahead of all of 'em.

Just trying to look at it through the lens of last season, before any of the actual performance on the field last year, I think I'd have had:

Harrison
Nabers
Odunze
Thomas
Mitchell
Burden
Franklin
Worthy
McConkey
Wilson
Pearsall
Coleman

I don't think there's any argument at all to say he wouldn't have been top 10 in that group. He honestly had a pretty good argument for top 5 right behind Thomas and ahead of Mitchell.

The only thing I'm 100% sure of, is that Dante84 is furiously preparing highlight vids and scouting reports on just about every prospect of note

Dude has been a draft wizard for probably ten years running, can't wait to see it all play out

His posts are the best part of draft.

No

Eat a dick

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WTF is that source?

With the 3rd pick in the 2025 NFL draft, the New York Giants have traded their pick to the Kansas City Chiefs, in exchange for WR Sky Moore and the Chiefs #31 pick. With the #3 pick, the Kansas City Chiefs select Abdul Carter from Penn State University.

The Giants would be a trade partner that makes sense.

If Dart has fallen to 31, the Chiefs will likely get some calls and enticing offers to move back.

I just....what are you gonna get.

A 5th rounder, I guess. Maybe. And it puts you behind Philly who's gonna be hunting for DL and OL help.

It could maybe move you up from our pick in the 4th to the Giants pick in the 4th. If we swapped our late 3rd for their late 3rd

From Giants:

Pick 34
Pick 99
Pick 105

From Chiefs

Pick 31
Pick 95
Pick 133

Might not have to include that 3rd round swap. There's some solid value in turning that 133 into 105, though. I might consider that one. If we could do that deal AND add the 5th rounder at 154, I'd probably go ahead and do it.

It would get us a pick in the 5th (we don't presently have one) and it would get us another pick damn close to the top 100 with the 133 for 105 swap.

We can't try to squeeze too hard though because if we do, they just deal with Washington.

With Saunders falling (according to reports, looks like a Rodgers situation) some team will be homely enough to take Dart early. It only takes one...

Duncan, your machine accepted the offer (sometimes; sometimes not, in which case I throw in a 7 and it took it 'bout every time I tried).

We get: 34, 99, 105 and 154
we give: 31, 95, 133

34: Josh Conerly
63: Omarr Norman-Lott (Darien Porter was my other option here)
66: Jalen Royals (Passed on Burch, Stewart and Farmer)
99: Kyle Kennard (Chris Paul)
105: Barrett Carter (Billy Bowman, Tory Horton, Kyle Williams, Logan Brown)
154: Trevor Etienne (Damien Martinez, Cobee Bryant, Chimere Dike, Jaydon Blue)

I think there's a fair bit of optimism in that, but as I look at it, I sure do like the haul.

Now I note, I would be PISSED if the draft happened this way only because Egubka went at 32 and Burden at 33. But with Conerly still there, it didn't go THAT poorly.

I don't think we can extract quite that much value, but it would be pretty intriguing. Adding the 5th AND moving that 4th up to within striking range of a pretty intriguing group of players, especially with Carter, Bowman and Horton, is definitely worth considering.

Hmmmm........

Matt Derrick made the point that the 5th year option is t as big of a deal for qb hungry teams. They’re either good and you extend them after year 3 or just kind of whatever let them play it out. Obviously not an exact rule or anything but was really good food for thought. That 5th year options more valuable for mcduffies or Karlaftis types that you may need time to hammer a deal with.

But what if they're decent but not elite. They won't reset the market and that 5th year becomes a placeholder for year 1 (or 2) of the new deal.

First time I tried it, Vegas traded back up to 25 for Dart.

Second time, Giants refused to trade.

Your deal was accepted on the 3rd try without giving up a R7. Egbuka went 32 to the Eagles.

34: Conerly

63: Porter (Norman-Lott WAS available)

66: Jalen Royals (Passed on Burch, Stewart and Farmer)

99: Bowman (Kennard went three picks before to...****ing Philly again)

105: Chris Paul

154: Etienne


Pretty consistent with who is available, and I turned the predictability/chaos meter to 3/5. ZERO DL help, so I hate it.

Thats pretty much it. Are you willing to trade out to hang on to Aiden Oconnel or maybe Daniel jones I guess?

Brian Daboll is supposedly in love with Jaxson Dart...I hate trading down and hope we don't do it unless another team dangles a first rounder next year.

Browns and Giants may have a fist fight moving up in the first for a 2nd round qb

You might be onto something lol

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No way would I do that if I were the Chiefs.

They would have to flip their 3rd for KC's late third....maybe KC throws in next years fourth (they have an extra pick due to the Thuney deal)

Giants need a QB...Chiefs are fine where they are at. The move could cost them the player they scouted...and an extra contract year.

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LT Aireontae Ersery

Zabel can at the very least can play 4 ol positions

The Chiefs aren't taking a ****ing G in the 1st round.

By that logic so can Morris and Kingsley. (I actually think Kingsley can but most of you don’t so that’s the point. )

Thats pretty much absolute fastest way to ruin draft night. **** could you imagine?

might be a nice swing player...maybe a starter somewhere....Pat needs a line or did we forget get that

Just posted this in the draft forum.

Yep. FWIW, in terms of career starts, Zabel owns four at guard...17 at RT, and 16 at LT (all in his senior season, where he earned 1st-team FCS All-American and All-Conference honors) from what I could gather.

Right this minute he has literally 150 tabs open with every possible player the Chiefs COULD consider loaded up and ready to go, complete with no fewer than 5 highlight vids per thread.

This is why I love Dante84.

If this happens, we riot.

Another angle to the Josh Simmons rumors -

All this talk about us taking him is lazy reporting about the story. Yes, we all watched our All Pro guard get decimated by elite pass rushers playing left tackle, along with our entire line eating shit that game. Automatically assuming that we're going to take a tackle because of it, much less one with a damaged patellar, is just predictable and dull. And if there's one thing I can say I've learned about Brrrrtt Vortex over the years - he is absolutely not predictable and dull in the draft. ESPECIALLY in the first round.

That's ****ing Carl Peterson level energy, media. Stop it.

Let’s be real every draft 75% of chiefs fans are going what the ****? Who?

If Golden got to 29 I would be very annoyed if he went right before us.

The Chiefs have done a ton of homework on OL in particular this draft. Just because a majority of folks here are vehemently against taking Simmons or Conerly doesn't mean the media is completely off base here.

Josh Simmons to the Chiefs media hype is starting to approach Luke Joeckel territory.

He seems like a nice young man, and I really don't want to unfairly hate a person on the internet.

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Orlando breaking down the OL.

I'd be OK with Conerly, tbh, but I believe both will be gone before we are in the box waiting to pick (if you want to take the same media at their word and how they're reporting teams aren't worried about Simmons' knee), and I don't feel we have the ammo to move up significantly in this draft.

This is not a strong OT draft, and because of that the top guys will be gone early, perhaps all before 20. If we're going to take a guy to let him sit and develop, take Logan Brown in the 4th (or package the 7th's to move up and nab him in the 5th-ish).

The only way I think a trade down happens is if it’s a bidding war and you get over fair value. I wouldn’t do it just to pick up a fifth.

And yeah, it wouldn’t happen if Harmon, Nolen, Burden, Egbuka are on the board.

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Connerly Jr, but I want Simmons.

Dark horse pick here!

I like Booker alot. Hampton and Burden are the only guys on that list that I have in same category as him and would be tough to pass on one of them.

Guard, RB, and WR a year after taking one in the 1st. This is my nightmare scenario! DT, DE or Connerly.

Every time i do a mock simulator, the player left that i think will make the biggest immediate impact is one of the upper tier running backs.

Im going all in on that.

I want Omarion Hampton.

But i think he gets drafted by Denver and we end up with Treveyon Henderson. I don’t think that is tier down from Hampton either.

My final draft day mocks using each different simulator.

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One of them will absolutely still be there.

Again mods, this is the 3rd time this has happened at random. Why would I be banned indefinitely from the Patrick Mahomes thread? I haven't even posted there is a long time and I certainly wouldn't post anything to get myself banned when talking about my favorite player and who I consider the GOAT. What gives? Removed from the thread? For what? I hope this is a mistake.

I'll say we finally draft a buckeye player, and a good one, TreVeyon Henderson.

If the call yesterday was true... this wouldn't surprise me.

We've been doing just fine with the Texas Tech strategy.

Omarion Hampton

Can't believe we've only drafted 2 Ohio State kids in the past 34 years. 2009 Donald Washington 4th rd and 1991 Bobby Olive 11th rd. Not a Buckeyes fan but Ohio State is an elite program were not exactly talkin Hamrick Truck Driving School here.

As of today, I will amend my pick to:
Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon

Whats a Hemingway?
















About 290 lbs:hmmm:

TreVeyon Henderson

I'm talking myself into Henderson....a RB.

Do you all like what you've done? Is it enjoyable what you all have done to me?

Can't go wrong with buckeyes this year..Egbuka Simmons Jackson Sawyer Hamilton Ransom Henderson Judkins..friggin loaded.

You absolutely can go wrong overdrafting either of those OL.

Well yes, not all as first rd picks. Collectively speaking throughout.

I did not know that. That's an odd fact.

We get a fatty

I'm becoming more and more stridently pro-Luther.

But Harmon would be great as well.

And his 'injury flag' doesn't appear to be long-term. Might need surgery on his shoulder. Okay, but that seems like something that may slow his progress, not smother it in the crib.

But man, I really want Burden.

We trade an All-Pro OG for a 4th round pick NEXT season just so we can take an OG in the 1st round?

Lord that would be stupid.

"We need to fix the O-Line!"

Meanwhile everyone was complaining about the OL last season even when Thuney was at OG along the same 3 guys to his right. OG doesn't move the needle even a little bit.

Booker would be an awful pick. It wouldn't be arguably worse than Simmons because there's NO ceiling to that pick at all. At least Simmons has a very small chance of coming back to form and being a long-term answer at a position that's hard to fill.

This guy's just gonna be...a guard. To replace the guy who's a fringe HoFer we already HAD at guard.

Just dumb.

I don't know who is vehemently against taking Conerly but the facts surrounding Simmons' injury are irrefutable. Guys don't come back from a torn patella. It just doesn't happen.

Conerly does seem to fit what they like at T and or look for there.

I wouldn't hate it.

I think I'd like a weapon, but man, the DT/DE class is so good there's just gonna be a good player there for the taking.

I'm late to the game, but what am I supposed to not like about Shemar if he is there?

I agree that it happens in the trenches, just which side of the ball.

If Conerly is gone (he will be, but he's the pick), then go for either WR (Egbuka or Burden) if they're there, if not, then take Hendersen I guess (if there).

If this all has already been taken, then take BPA after all (defensive fatties).

Excluding any trades up or down.

This is going to be a fun night.

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But seriously, I’m guessing OT or DT.

Here's my 'Final' mock.

Obviously so much of this depends on who's actually available, but based on several efforts, I took guys who I think are USUALLY going to be there for us where I took them. There were some picks I thought were just too unlikely to be there that I could've made, but I like the realism and ultimate outcome of this one.

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture....pictureid=2691

Yeah, this idea that the Simmons and Conerly are a monolith just reeks of ignorance as to the issues people actually have with Simmons.

I can't think of anyone that hates the idea of Simmons who also hates the idea of Conerly. I don't like the idea of trading UP for Conerly at all, but if he was the pick at 31 - I'd be fine with that.

Not my preferred course, but understandable and there's a very clear path to it being a major win as early as next season.

Personal order of preference:

1. Emeka Egbuka (won’t be there, too safe, too many teams love him)
2. Luther Burden III (could be there, ceiling is through the roof, top 10 pick type upside)
3. Derrick Harmon (great fit, love his skill set, injury concern is not a long-term problem)
4. Josh Conerly (good fit for system, long-term play, can focus on building strength this year)
5. Trade back a bit if possible