That game was one bad half(cincy). This game was 2. 0 points with 20 minutes remaining dude. Nobody is saying Beinemy is great

SB LV was injuries and our offense did much better in that game overall we didn’t convert in the red zone. We had 0 points and like 70 yards midway thru the third quarter in this game. I can’t stress it enough, because it’s an anomaly that shouldn’t exist. The last time this happened a crippled Payton manning who literally could not throw a spiral got beaten down. Why are we even trying to justify this?

Why do you conveniently leave off our two most explosive players who were both available?

I completely agree with you. In fact, when Nagy took over I said the offense would decay and fall to the bottom 1/3 of the league. Well, here we are...To answer your question, the answer that most here gave me was that it was Andy's offense, and he calls the plays. Now some of these posters are smart and have excellent takes most of the time and know their stuff. So I try to be respectful, but it's very hard on this particular subject. I mean I look and I just so much want to say Nagy's **** sticks are all over this offense and he's made the Chiefs look like the Bears right before he was fired. At least that's what the eye test says. And damn, if we don't look like the reincarnation of his Bears year four with Mahomes no less, I'll be damned. He's neutered Mahomes, and turned him into Alex Smith. Can't seem to adjust on the fly, has lame side ways passing game plans, and....**** it, Im just gonna stop b/c it just pisses me the **** off and I cant see how anyone can not see the same things I do...Dude just BLOWS! IMO. :shake:

htismaqe had a great statement the other day when he said whether Nagy sucks or not, Andy needs somebody else talking to him in his headset. I think he's spot on there. Its time.

Because when a team can get consistent heavy pressure with only 4, it becomes 7 vs 4 on the back end. Not hard to bracket Worthy and Hollywood when the others can’t separate.

It also helps that nobody fears any RB on this team this year.

The Chiefs are easy to defend when you have a consistent pass rush. We saw this against Denver and LAC.

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If he can handle it, that would be great. Can he? Handle it?

Interesting thought.

Big guys do generally need more time after ACLs.

I could see the pathway to, "let's sign DJ for $8M instead of signing Cam Robinson for $20M who may not be any better"... especially if/when BAL re-signs Stanley.

And then if LT is your BPA in the draft, you still do that.

Isn't that still a lot of gambling???? We did that this year.

Yep. Its why shit teams gave KC more problems than they should have.

I don't think there's any outcome that isn't a gamble. Not in terms of a singular player.

We could throw numbers at the position, that's the best you could do as far as mitigating risk.

This.

Trade for Jake Matthews… a proven/durable LT.

Penix is left handed, Falcons don’t need an expensive LT anymore.

This was my thought.

A guy without an injury history that is SOLID. Shouldn't break the bank.

From there we can keep Humphries and see how that works out as depth but we just cannot gamble again.

No thanks.

It also helps that coaching seems unwilling to adjust. Where were the screens, draws, and quick outs to stymie the rush?

Matthews has the genetics to play another 10 years/slightly joking

What you said is objectively true but not inherently. There were ways to get Worthy and Hollywood involved. It’s not like they completely didn’t try either. They just wasted many early downs on concepts designed for guys who were too slow or too long developing.

You can call that a personnel issue but when you’re trying force a square peg into a round hole it’s really not. Especially when you’re staring down the barrel of 24-0. At that point if you think it’s just execution, you’re just a dumbass.

I agree with the RB issue they need to draft one in the second round who can be a workhorse back. Not some slight build guy. I’d be going after Hampton or Johnson.

I don’t like it.

I’m just not sure what outcome we’re gonna love. Veach is going to have to be a magician to get this solidified with a high degree of confidence.

It certainly isn't enough on its own.


If we also trade up for a LT prospect or with a team that wants to rebuild and gain picks then it's fine as an additional insurance move if the $$$ are right.

This Is (probably) the Way

He got absolutely shafted upon his arrival here, he deserves a full chance to go earn it with a full program under his belt

We JUST did it and it failed spectacularly. Want a bridge player, get someone else. Want a starter, you can do better.

The **** you mean he got shafted? He was cleared for play and immediately got hurt because he's a broken down vet that's missed games in 6/9 seasons.

Would it take a miracle for Kingsley to be an average or better LT next season? He appears to be the physical prototype. Reid, who you would think knows offensive linemen, thought enough of him to start him in his first game as a rookie.

Reid was wrong, of course. But it does make me wonder what kind of progress was made in practice during the season and how Kingsley might look in his second camp. I think that, barring good fortune otherwise falling in our lap, Suamataia is the team's starting left tackle next season. If there is any way at all for it to work, it has to be the first option.

Our training staff, Dr.s and coaches should have an idea by now if he will improve by spring training.

Missed half the 2022 with a back injury. Missed games in 2023 and most of 2024 with the ACL. These are ability altering injuries, on top of the fact his availability has been ****ing trash. He's not a worthwhile answer to any questions you ask. You want a redemption story/bridge, go get Wills. You want a long term starter with some questions, go get Robinson

Yep, we spent the 2nd round on him so we need to see if he was worth it.

He couldn’t even beat out a freaking career guard at LT.

He’s a broke dick.

No more broke dicks or failed rookie projects that Andy Heck cannot develop.

Time for a proven commodity… Jake Matthews.

Jake Matthews at LT + Thuney at LG and Mahomes’ blind side is finally properly secured.

Oh, and if the Rams actually let Alaric Jackson hit the open market forge his signature if need be, get that ****er in here

Until Jake Matthews goes down with a career ending injury like Eric Fisher. Matthews is 33 years old, 3 years older than Fisher was at the time of his injury. There are no good options. It's all a gamble.

It would be nice if Kingsley makes a huge leap forward in Year 2. The Chiefs team is due for some better luck at the LT position. Other teams have had it. Josh Allen has had the same dude at LT for 99% of his games the last 7 years.

which team is going to trade us a Willie Roaf like the Saints did when Dickie V came to town?

DJ basically got two gulps of coffee here before he was thrown straight into the fire

Pugs nails it, would you rather go 8 or 20 million for probably the same overall production?

He’s got Joe Thuney length.

Neither, but Cam Robinson isn't anywhere near the brokedick Humphries is so there's a much greater chance I'm not just burning 8 million on absolutely nothing.

Matthews hasn’t missed a start in 11 years.

And he has arguably the best genetics in terms of longevity in NFL history.

Cool. He just absolutely shut down the Eagles pass rushers. 1 pressure in 50 Stafford drop backs. At that point the dude could cosplay a ****ing T Rex if he wants to, he gets results.

His worst games of the season were against Nick Bosa twice and Maxx Crosby. 3 pressures in each matchup. Those are his WORST games.

All good things come to an end. He's been lucky to make it this far. Potentially a ticking time bomb. I like Matthews more than some of the guys with injury history like Cam Robinson. But no matter which way you go, it's a gamble.

A much more calculated risk compared to other options since he has no injury history.

Still think I'd rather have Armstead.

A) I think he's a little better than Matthews
B) He would probably cost less in terms of acquisition cost and definitely costs a little less in terms of cap.
C) I think he's a little more likely to actually be available.

That said, I do recognize why some would prefer Matthews. The durability is pretty damn impressive. And the difference in ability is pretty negligible -- they're both awfully good, especially in pass pro.

But Atlanta has so much more sweat equity into Matthews (who they drafted and who's played over a decade for them) than Miami has in Armstead, who was a cheap trade and relatively cheap contract. It shouldn't really matter but it does. He's a 'face of the franchise' type player for them. I'd just be really surprised if they had any real interest in moving him.

I’m not sure the Rams scheme is going to transfer in any sort of way in terms of results. They’re run first, every single week.

The Falcons have salary cap issues… they will need to make moves.

Keeping Matthews becomes a luxury for them since he’s no longer protecting their QB’s blind side with a left handed QB.

50 drop backs. 1 pressure. Against the team that just skull ****ed us and the lit our corpse on fire and then ass ****ed the corpse for funsies. Not to mention the clean bill of health. Put it this way, if he's an option he's by far the one I'd feel the most good about pouring resources towards.

If the Rams let him go at 26, I have my doubts about him for that alone.

Some of it might just be gameplanning stuff too. Sometimes Andy will hang both the OL & Mahomes out to dry. Not enough rushing attempts. Too many slow developing plays instead of quick hitters.

If you know you have a major weakness on your QB's blind side, you gotta do something different in the playcalling compared to what Andy has done numerous times through the years.

Also just isn't a true assertion. Chiefs were 10th in the NFL passing on 58.66% of their plays. Rams were 14th with 57.54%.

They've already got Noteboom. ****ing idiotic reason to let him go but there is one.

Man just give me a ****ing Eric Fisher level tackle again.

Fisher was not much better than Brown. He had games where he really struggled with power and elite rushers. But the consistency is so missed.

Sometimes, and I’m guilty of it too, it feels like we’re trying to replace some elite level LT that we’ve simply never had.

That consistency is exactly why I'm so adamantly against Humphries. That track record speaks for itself, he's going to miss games, and there's a good chance it's going to be a sizable chunk of them.

It's why on second look I might, MIGHT, be able to be talked into Jedrick Wills as a reclamation project. Reading up on it a bit he kind of got ****ed by that organization this year. They're also ****ing reeruned and ran Baker Mayfield out of town for Deshaun Watson so them giving up on a player holds less credence.

Hell, wasn't a large part of them losing faith in Mayfield precisely because they had him playing injured and it significantly affected him? That's almost exactly the same thing that happened to Wills.

Bro this.

I don't care what anyone says we just need a GOOD LT. Not some all world guy. And I do think that happens on here a lot where a guy gets beat a few times and people think he sucks.

We just need SOLID.

And how about the game against the Eagles? Zero rushing attempts by KC in the early drives of the game. Rams had quite a few rushing attempts in their early drives.

The chiefs need a LT who can run block just as well as pass block, if not better. Running inside could be crucial to punishing DE trying to beat us with speed from the outside. Chiefs need to get a physical RB in the draft too if they can.

Unfortunately this may be our most realistic solution.

Not really? It was still HEAVILY skewed towards the passing game.

Opening drive 9 drop backs by Stafford, 4 attempts by Williams. 2 of those rushing attempts in goal to go. Next drive all 3 are Stafford drop backs. Next drive is a 3 to 3 split. So we're at 15 to 7 split after the first 3 drives.

he better have the best offseason of his life because he couldn't even get on the field as the only left tackle on the team...

I think they left the decision up to Mahomes and Mahomes picked who he trusted.

Truth be told our oline looked pretty good for a good stretch with Thuney and Caliendo...as good as it has all year.

it would have been better with the 25th best left tackle in the league and having Thuney play LG

Jackson has less than ideal arm length, but he’s 6-7/335.

So while he might get long-armed, he has the mass and power to reset and not get walked into the QB’s lap.

Even with just a solid LT again Mahomes is back in 40+ TD territory easily with this WR group, PPG goes back to 30+. I have seen a lot of good ideas on CP the last couple days on how to address the LT situation, Veach really needs to come through.

Yup. SOLID. Just a guy that is dependable and won't get Pat killed.

If we literally just had a SOLID LT and Thuney back at guard in the SB we win that game.

This is a really pivotal offseason because this has happened too many times. That LT spot needs to be addressed and then we HAVE to make the offense more explosive with a legit running back.

Maybe not a win, but more competitive. It reminds me of the scene in The Godfather when James Caan says: "I want someone very good to plant that gun in the toilet. I don't want my brother coming out of the bathroom with just his dick in his hands."

It has been the case too often with the LT situation in recent years. They were pretty fortunate this didn't lead to an early round loss the last couple years. They have won a lot of games through the years where it felt like the OL was getting whipped.

A LT and a explosive RB with good vision as this is a very deep RB class. These alone do wonders for the offense.

Yup. We need a GOOD and dependable left tackle, Rice back, and an explosive back that is also a great pass catcher.

The offense has to get some big plays back

If you can have a full offseason of Humphries and he's healthy....yeah that may end up being about your best option realistically.

He's a fine LT. Honestly, he was always pretty solid. He's not gonna be an all pro but if he can be a good LT for a decent amount of money, that's a potential value signing.

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I think that has always been in the back of Veach's mind. It would buy time to develop a young LT, without having to rush the process. But man, it could BLOW UP again, so hope there is a better option. To me, its not really trying all that hard.

I think absolute worst case scenario is that they sign Humphries and draft a guy like Benton on day 2. That's the smallest investment I can possibly see, and that wouldn't be bad.

Honestly think it's the most realistic and potentially even the best outcome. Assuming we can't get Stanley, I'm not convinced a multi-year deal for Cam Robinson (a worse LT version of Taylor) or Alaric Jackson are great moves.

Obviously who knows which are retained, but next year's FA could have Kolton Miller, Slater, Raimann, Rasheed Walker. Some will be available, all will be better.

If you do the Humphries thing, I'd not draft one this year. You've got Wanya who can do it if need be.

It would open up the draft a bit and allow them to really hit the DL or offensive weapons.

They'd never trade him to us, but I'd love to somehow end up with Slater.

Only way I see that happening is if they haven't given up on Kingsley at LT. They're going to want a vet AND the young talent.

You've drafted a couple the last few years though. I wouldn't hate it, but we just need to be more open to BPA and just keep stocking high end talent.

Sure, but they have 3 day 2 picks. They can afford to take a guy like Benton with one if the value lines up. Doesn't meant they have to reach for one.

Trading for Jake Matthews or signing Alaric Jackson are the only two options.

Humphries is a broke dick who couldn’t beat out a guard at LT.

And the Chiefs can’t risk entering the season with another unknown rookie developmental project.

I'd love to get in the time machine and go back and get prime Willie Roaf. That's about as realistic.

Going into next year Humphries is the best LT option we start off with. No, he wasn't ready immediately after returning from a season long injury to start week 17. Shocker. Of course he wasn't.

He is a player who's good enough to be solid and when all your cards play right perhaps even a pro bowl player. He's exactly what you'd like to have in place when drafting a young guy. With a complete off season of TC and preseason football he'll be in shape and can at least get by until the young guy is ready or to play in a pinch as a b/u. I really hope we keep him on so this this abortion of a season with no answer at all at LT doesn't happen again.

I’m good with Humphries as long as that comes with a high pick that can also play elsewhere on the line.

Jackson is my first choice if he becomes available. I still don’t see why the Rams didn’t lock him up in-season unless he just refused. He’s made less than $7 million in his career, so I’d be surprised if he bet on himself to that extent.

If I’m his agent, I know I can run this salary up by getting to free agency. I’d be very patient at this point.

A 30+ year old LT with an extensive injury history who hasn’t been able to play a full season in four years.

That is an unserious attempt to finally secure Mahomes’ blind side.

Do you not read the whole post or do you just ignore the parts you don't like?

He's the perfect guy to have on roster WHEN YOU ADD A YOUNG LT. Or to play in a pinch should he have to. Nowhere in that statement did I suggest a 17 game starter. In fact it was very clear I meant the exact opposite.

He would be the first building block retained so there isn't absolute suck at the position. He's the b/u or average starter you begin the roster building with.

Similar to adding Hopkins to the WR room, I do see benefit in adding a true pro left tackle to the OL room too.

Unless we land an ascending player for the long term at LT (besides Jackson, it’d have to be a trade I’m sure), then a vet plus a rookie is the way to go. You need someone to set the example for the young guy.

For once, a message board is too conservative with its roster shifting. The last time we were in this position, Veach brought in FOUR new lineman - Orlando Brown, Jr in trade, Thuney in free agency, and Smith and Humphrey in the draft.

We are set at LG and C, but the other 3 positions are all subject to major changes. Given the avenues at our disposal, I'd expect Veach to look across all three avenues (trade, draft, free agency) and sort out the best options. What I I think is extremely unlikely is modest moves like bringing back DJ Humphries and drafting a 3rd round guard. That doesn't comport with how Veach has attacked these problems in the past.

My guess is that Veach will try to remedy his mistake from last year of not getting a 1st round LT. The team often talks about having a perpetual championship window which means not going all-in for any one season, which is likely why we didn't move way up last year. That being said, it's now clear that our team can't afford to not fix the LT problem (amongst other OL problems). Fix it now and it keeps the championship window open for years to come.

If I were to guess, these are the moves I think we'll make:

1. Our 1st rounder is traded either for a mid-first rounder or an OT on the move (a la Orlando Brown, Jr).
   
2. Our 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounder is used on a RG
   
3. Options are explored to replace Jawaan Taylor and his big contract with either Kingsley or Wayna.