The NBA looking to expand into Europe. Smart business decision. Absolutely hate it domestically though but if they won't.....and now can't market to old white people it's the only way.

Woah - Rozier implicated?

That's a pretty damn big name. Not to the casuals, but basketball fans know who Terry Rozier is. Guy's probably made $100 million in his career.

Yuck.

Bronny now shooting 6%

No I'm not makin this up

You should not be able to get away with nepotism

How Lakers fans allow this is asinine.

He's made a shot?

That's one more than I expected.

He might - MIGHT - get major minutes in like, The Summit League.

He could probably put up 18 a night playing for UMKC.

He's shitty enough that I can't even bring myself to care. EVERYBODY knows this is a farce. So I can't even bring myself to be mad at anyone about it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tim Hardaway Sr. confirms that a 16-year-old LeBron was unguardable in the pickup game with MJ:<br><br>“He came down on a fastbreak, we thought he was gonna pass, this motherf***** took off from the free throw line… It was like in slow motion… He was real.”<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/DraymondShow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DraymondShow</a>) <a href="https://t.co/cis2tqIz4c">pic.twitter.com/cis2tqIz4c</a></p>&mdash; Witness King James (@WITNESSKJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/WITNESSKJ/status/1884768477522575670?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He clearly doesn't need the money (unless, I suppose, he gambled it all away), so I'm guessing he was helping out some friends if what it seemed happened actually happened.

It is probably way harder to manipulate because it’s a short season and every snap matters for winning and also for earning a paycheck. And they don’t have the same bullshit load management that pop introduced. It’s a huge problem in the nba. Injury designations are a complete joke at this point. We saw Ben Simmons check out of a game minutes after the game started and other nba players mysteriously checking out for sickness a few minutes later. Not that the nba should cater to the gambling community but if they’re gonna full throatedly promote gambling, that’s super super shady.

I would assume anyone caught up in this kind of shit is too dumb to know better and too clueless about money to realize it just ain’t worth it

I like whenever there's some sort of accusation you pivot to another league. Last time it was CFB now it's the NFL.

Your shitty league is dying. For whatever reason you choose to look away. You aren't particularly bright

He somehow got an invite to the rising starts game and had to decline.

It's a rhetorical question. It's obvious that the NFL would be far more prone to fixing than the NBA.

You don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about. The league just signed absolutely massive TV deals with ESPN/Disney, NBC, Amazon, and Turner. Do you think they managed to do that by just bluffing the networks?

Unlike the NBA, the NFL doesn't have guaranteed long-term contracts for the players to the same extent and the refs make basically nothing. There are also far bigger wagers being made on NFL game outcomes/player stats than anything going on with the NBA.

It's really not much of a leap at all.

Look. I like the nba and certainly don’t agree that it’s a bad product. But can’t agree with you that there aren’t serious issues with the product.

I also don’t agree that it is harder to rig. I’ve never looked into it so I’m willing to hear if I’m wrong. It just seems to me there are so many more meaningless games and one player can make such a huge impact… nba seems way easier to rig. I mean coaches are conceding games left and right before the game even starts

I think at the end of the day nfl teams are motivated to win. Every single snap matters and players will get sussed out easier or nfl teams have zero tolerance for mistakes (even unintentional ones). I just don’t see it.

I've been the one banging the drum about their being too many threes in the NBA long before anybody here, but that doesn't mean the NBA is a "dying" league. It's flourishing by any metric you look at, which is part of the reason why Silver has been reluctant to change anything about it to this point.

All that rigging an NFL game would require is getting one starting QB (hard to do, but still a possibility depending on the player's contract status) or one or two refs (much easier to do) in a particular game. If it's happened in high level professional soccer (and it has often), I'm absolutely sure it's happened before in the NFL where similarly large amounts of money are bet on a weekly basis.

Yeah on the first point I understand that you’re just reacting to an overreaction. I think we’re on the same page on this topic.

To your second point I guess the bigger problem is that the lines between throwing games and giving up are so blurred. Load management is insanely out of control to the point where coaches are throwing games in full public view. Again I haven’t actually looked into this so I’m not saying I’m right. But it feels too easy to shave points when people expect you to. When the coach decides they’re gonna pull every starter except lillard easy excuse to suck and blame it on the coach’s decision. When you’re down by 20 and 1 assist away from your prop line, easy to just not even try or come up with some bullshit injury.

But man if you’re Deshaun Watson and you absolutely suck and lose 1 game out of a 16 game season… the disgust of the fans gives an incentive to not throw games

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">17 years ago today, Pau Gasol was traded to the Lakers! (2008) <a href="https://t.co/ITyJUugKSP">pic.twitter.com/ITyJUugKSP</a></p>&mdash; ThrowbackHoops (@ThrowbackHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThrowbackHoops/status/1885692340482044389?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, this is real. Sources tell ESPN: Full trade:<br><br>- Lakers: Luka Doncic, Maxi Kleber, Markieff Morris<br><br>- Mavericks: Anthony Davis, Max Christie, 2029 LAL 1st<br><br>- Jazz: Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2025 Clippers 2nd, 2025 Mavericks 2nd <a href="https://t.co/bltojdTaQj">https://t.co/bltojdTaQj</a></p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885920217362051276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is this real?

Holy shit. What the **** are the Mavs doing????

What in the **** am I reading

https://x.com/PatrickMahomes/status/...Ot--w1Qew&s=19

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****ing insanity

Why?

Wow. It's real.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-trad...051920660.html

When I saw that on Twitter I truly had to triple check that wasn't a parody account. That's one of the wildest trades in any sport ever.

What are the Mavs doing???

A friend texted me Shams tweet and I didn’t buy it for a second

Couldn’t virtually the entire NBA have beaten the Lakers’ offer here?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Mavericks approached the Lakers recently and offered Luka Doncic, sources tell ESPN. Lakers brass met and believed the 25-year-old Doncic has the ability to be the face of their franchise for the next decade while giving Anthony Davis a win-now move in Dallas.</p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885925196650963331?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I was staring at the letters in the name expecting it to be ShamsCharina or something.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wait what?</p>&mdash; Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes/status/1885923059799937479?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are major financial implications for Luka Doncic with this trade.<br><br>He was in line to receive a five-year $345M contract this summer.<br><br>Doncic is no longer super max eligible.</p>&mdash; Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) <a href="https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1885922284071702954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Maybe the most shocking trade I have ever seen. Ever. <a href="https://t.co/p3lQnrD20f">https://t.co/p3lQnrD20f</a></p>&mdash; Jim Rome (@jimrome) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimrome/status/1885926992794812634?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Mavs did what? Why?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m sick rn…. <a href="https://t.co/IGiojb3OXT">https://t.co/IGiojb3OXT</a></p>&mdash; Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes/status/1885924364316537154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Mavericks approached the Lakers recently and offered Luka Doncic, sources tell ESPN. Lakers brass met and believed the 25-year-old Doncic has the ability to be the face of their franchise for the next decade while giving Anthony Davis a win-now move in Dallas.</p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885925196650963331?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Go to bed, Pat. You have more important things to be doing than bashing your head over this trash ass franchise

Windhorst on ESPN said the Mavs didn’t even tell anyone else he was available

Is this the worst trade in NBA history

Surprised Cuban signed off on that one.

Absolutely unreal

At least this wasn’t night before SB

This is like the Chiefs trading Kelce for Justin Jefferson or maybe Chris Jones for Myles Garrett. Its hard to find a comp, this is nuts.

Cuban isn’t the majority owner anymore if I’m recalling correctly, sold the team last year

Jimmy Butler watching a guy get traded who wasn’t trying to get traded… with amazement.

Luka in LA will be fun.

It’s like if the 2000s Cavs traded 25 year old LeBron for Celtics era KG or something

Insanity

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No one is talking about the fact that Luka has to move to a city without QTs. That’s who really lost this trade.</p>&mdash; QuikTrip (@QuikTrip) <a href="https://twitter.com/QuikTrip/status/1885930369557446660?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Seems like the Mavs didn’t want to give a supermax contract to a guy who isn’t 100% committed to staying in shape… but that’s a lame excuse.

Get the guy a trainer.

Can’t replicate his offensive skillset.

He’d 25 years old. Any real physical decline wouldn’t have happened until the 2030s anyway. Ridiculous stuff.

This is just baffling for Dallas

This feels like the fix was in for LA to stay relevant for another decade.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whole league is in shambles �� <a href="https://t.co/UK1aVjBadg">pic.twitter.com/UK1aVjBadg</a></p>&mdash; LakeShowYo (@LakeShowYo) <a href="https://twitter.com/LakeShowYo/status/1885929979789140211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Remember when Stern vetoed the Chris Paul to the Lakers trade a decade or so ago?

Silver probably loved Dallas just handing LA Luka without even asking any other team though.

Could a LeBron trade be coming? How are those 2 supposed to co-exist? They're a little redundant, and the defensive issues are obvious.

This sucks so bad. This trade is so awful I have a hard time believing there isn’t some sort of tampering going on behind the scenes. Last year was such an amazing run just to get to the finals. I’m done with the NBA.

It’s like trading Joe Burrow for Aaron Rodgers.

I’d love it but I can’t imagine that happening.

Shams claiming on ESPN that none of the players or even LeBron knew this was coming.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine Nico Harrison watching the entire basketball universe thinking Shams was hacked rather than believe you actually made that trade</p>&mdash; Adam Mares (@Adam_Mares) <a href="https://twitter.com/Adam_Mares/status/1885930582141747556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mavericks could have gotten an absolute haul for Luka, but instead are getting a 31 almost 32 year old Anthony Davis, a role player, and a 2029 1st round pick. How did they come up with 2029?

Jerry Jones and his Brian Schottenheimer hire is now only the second worst decision by a Dallas sports team during this past week.

That GM could have kept his job for the next decade with Luka.

Instead they’re going to chase him out of Dallas after this year

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LeBron James learned of the Davis-Doncic trade after the Knicks game when it broke while he was out to dinner with his family, sources close to James told ESPN. James was surprised by the news, is processing it and had no idea it was in the works, sources said.</p>&mdash; Dave McMenamin (@mcten) <a href="https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1885929640071422236?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Demand a trade LeBron!

That was my first reaction. Hell, it might be the dumbest trade in any sport. It's gotta be the worst player-for-player trade ever, at least.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine the phone call<br><br>Mavs- “we want AD”<br><br>Lakers- “not available”<br><br>Mavs- “for Luka”<br><br>Lakers- “AD will be there in the morning”</p>&mdash; Tony Niehaus (@BigT44DFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BigT44DFS/status/1885927114819489892?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"I believe that defense wins championships," Mavs general manager Nico Harrison told ESPN's Tim MacMahon, explaining his motivation to deal Doncic for Davis. "I believe that getting an All-Defensive center and an All-NBA player with a defensive mindset gives us a better chance. We're built to win now and in the future."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-anthony-davis

No explanation as to why he didn’t ask any other team in the league about offers for a MVP candidate in his prime but this guy is unfit to run a NBA team. Kyrie and AD are 32 years old.

I saw someone say it would be like the Royals trading Bobby Witt Jr for the current version of Mike Trout.

Not a bad comp at all but AD was never the best player in the league like Trout was, so this is more extreme.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who in their right mind watches Luka Doncic do this and then trades him less than a year later?<a href="https://t.co/zk5Dkc5MLC">pic.twitter.com/zk5Dkc5MLC</a></p>&mdash; Michael Bier (@MichaelJBier) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelJBier/status/1885929182649004072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not enough defense for the GM when Luka carried the team to the Finals though

I just realized, this is the same guy that let Jalen Brunson walk for nothing. The Mavericks might have to hire him bodyguards.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You a fkn lie!!! 🤥🤡 <a href="https://t.co/EYNRUbUFmj">https://t.co/EYNRUbUFmj</a></p>&mdash; LeBron James (@KingJames) <a href="https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1885945166017548409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rob Pelinka realizing the Mavericks are going to accept the trade for Luka <a href="https://t.co/ojzdFYhUlq">pic.twitter.com/ojzdFYhUlq</a></p>&mdash; Pardon My Take (@PardonMyTake) <a href="https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1885929120103563692?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What the **** are the Lakers thinking? Will be interesting to see if Luka finally hits the gym now and stops wasting all that talent. Doubt LeBron lets him just sit on his fat ass like he’s done in Dallas.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the Mavs decided they suddenly didn&#39;t like Luka Doncic and didn&#39;t want to extend him, whatever<br><br>The best deal they could get in a league where teams spend years building up assets *praying* a scenario like this happens is 31-year-old Anthony Davis and a 2029 first-round pick?</p>&mdash; Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1885927773455130776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They’re probably thinking we just added a top 5 player in the NBA at age 25 for AD and who gives a shit what LeBron thinks about it?

They just guaranteed being a contender for the next half decade at least with this trade. It’s not about this season (and it’s not like the LeBron/AD combo was going to get them another title anyway).

Hopefully Lebron can wake up that drive in him. Everything I’m reading is that the Mavs are tired of seeing the lack of commitment from their “superstar” since he got over 270 lbs and doesn’t look like he has any plans to hit the gym anytime soon. He’s definitely getting to that age that pure talent isn’t going to cut it anymore.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Luka Doncic has reached up to 270 pounds and the Mavericks were growing concerned, per ESPN <a href="https://t.co/sNksitvyeY">pic.twitter.com/sNksitvyeY</a></p>&mdash; Legion Hoops (@LegionHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1885939340796477518?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bullshit.

Davis can help a team now. He's fifth in PER.

Trout is a complete after thought heading into 2025. He hasn't been revelvant since 2022.

It's more like Witt for Freddie Freeman.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mavs front office after trading Luka: <a href="https://t.co/VVtH29UOra">pic.twitter.com/VVtH29UOra</a></p>&mdash; Ben Houselog (@benlikessport) <a href="https://twitter.com/benlikessport/status/1885927287356370996?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Solely because of injuries, not talent. Trout is still a 140-150 wRC+ CF right now, he has not stopped being one of the best players in baseball whenever he steps foot on a baseball field.

AD remains a very good player too but his issues are more motivational than injury at this point. He will no show a few playoff games as he always does and Dallas will be eliminated.

And Witt for Freeman is a fine comparison, it would be similarly insane.

He literally carried Dallas to the NBA Finals just last year (and that was two years after he previously took them to the WCF) and they dealt him for past his prime/oft injured/lazy AD and a single 1st round pick four years from now. This trade is insanely stupid no matter what his weight is. The guy could start looking like Fat Bastard from Austin Powers and it would still easily the dumbest thing any FO has ever done in this sport.

Just think about the haul a team like OKC would have given the Mavs with all of their young players and draft picks. Literally any other bad team in the league would have traded any decent player and all of their picks just for the right to have Luka and they didn’t even ****ing ask around? Teams spend years waiting for this kind of opportunity.

This is so unbelievably off-the-wall and illogical that it’s the kind of trade that gets vetoed in fantasy leagues.