The Chiefs didn't want Sneed at $20 million *and* wanted to reward him for past contributions. It is what it is. The Chiefs assumed teams would be willing to compete for Sneed, even though they knew the Chiefs couldn't really afford to keep him. For whatever reason, it didn't happen.

It's clear to me that we have plans for the money.

Their probably wasn’t as many teams interested in trading and signing him to that type of contract than we though maybe , we need to fill out a few other spots and sign our draft class .

Bad compensation. But it’s still better than having Sneed decide to hold out in July.

Every report was shit. KC doesn't mind paying the tag? That was bs like all the other reports.

**** that... Maybe divisional rivals. Sneed was a perfect fit for Detroit who had picks and cap to make the trade. I highly doubt Detroit was thinking, "shit, we can't trade with the Chiefs, we may give them something that will beat us in the first Superbowl we would ever play." No one wanted to pay Sneed the average of $20m per, with over $50m Guaranteed and give up a 2nd.

That wasn't a trade. If we were only getting a third next year, they should have just removed the tag and taken the comp picks next year. I don't see the point of giving him away for a 2025 3rd.

You aren’t for sure to get a comp pick if they sign a fa

No, the deal was no team wanted to pay his $20+ AND trade his value in draft picks. Most GM's will do one or the other but Sneed is 27/28 and has had knee issues in the past. If some team was getting a deal on the money or the draft picks this would have gone differently.

The absolute best we would have gotten in comp pick is a high 4th rounder anyway.

I'd prefer to load the clip with as many bullets as possible for 25.

"sure third round pick " NEXT YEAR ? what haul for a second team all pro corner. well played

Facts

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">$55 million guaranteed is $10.5 million more than the next highest guaranteed amount for a CB in NFL history. For a 27-year-old player with medical question marks who has never made a Pro Bowl or All-Pro team in his career.<br><br>It’s not what good players cost, it’s an overpay. <a href="https://t.co/nCIz3E6sb7">https://t.co/nCIz3E6sb7</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Moore (@AndrewMooreNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewMooreNFL/status/1771379577019064441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Overpay or not... I hate the return. I'd have rather fiddled with the money and kept him one more year to run the defense back at full strength.

Sneed got his bag and I'm happy for him. The big jump in cap this year meant inflation was going to hit. This was the year loose spenders were going to see an opportunity to spend big with little consequence. Some guys were going to go way over value. It's what happens.

It's also why we didn't sign guys early because we were not in the market to overpay this year. I wanted to think I was wrong, I wanted to believe Clark would say "**** it - let's go get that 3peat" but that isn't what happened.

I think we are saying the same thing. Others saying the teams won't trade with the Chiefs because of our success may be true for some teams, but not other teams, like the Lions. The Lions looked at it like you and I stated, and decided not to trade for Sneed, not because they were scared of giving the Chiefs and advantage.

Opening this thread this morning is like opening a Christmas present that only has socks.

Maybe socks with a $19.80 gift card, or $55.00 over 4 years to spend as you like...

Ture. I don't think the Lions cared who the team trading Sneed was. Completely different conference. GM's are going to consider worst case as well and if Sneed blows his knee out in week 8 this year people will scream about all the money and a 2nd round pick paid for him.

That's too much cost in a guy with some risk. Not a ton, I think the knee is overblown, but there is some. I'm also not going to pretend like I understand all the nuances of the Lion's coverage schemes other than them being ass. How good a fit? What are their plans in round 1 or 2 of the draft at the position?

A lot of moving parts and when Sneed put his $22 mil request out there and everyone other than the Titans stepped away from the table that was it. There was no bidding war. There was no leverage...

Not from our point of view.


The thing is we NEED socks, but it's not a very exciting present. Who knows, that 3rd rounder might end up being the best damn socks we've ever worn.

Like I said, it's obvious now the Chiefs weren't paying Sneed this year or extending him at this level. The trade gives us cap space and certainty for our draft. If we don't make the trade, Sneed threatens a hold out(don't think he would as $20 mil is $20mil) but that still would have the drama of Sneed not showing up until he absolutely had to and make it a shit show again this year.

but we have the gift card to spend now... you can't just ignore that value. We have other good socks in our dresser, what we really need is a nice pair of gloves (LT).

Our bad ass GM made a decision. This not 10 years ago with only hope's and dreams so get over it.

My issue is we should have traded him immediately for max value or held him until right before the season starts.

Veach clearly didn't want to have that money handcuffed for that long.

Correct. Money needs to come off the books.

The Chiefs didn’t have the money my man. They chose Jones and that’s it. Yes, the comp sucks, but when a team is essentially forced to trade a player because they can’t afford the tag this is what happens. It’s business and both sides knew it. We’ll be okay and you can expect Veach to draft 1-2 more corners in the upcoming draft.

So Rasul Douglas, Carlton Davis and L’Jarius Sneed all got a 3rd rd pick in a trade. That seems to be the market for a good (not great on paper) corner. 2 were 27 and one was 28 when traded.

Like it or not that was the market

wbf

Absolutely.

Behind the scenes it allows our parents to use the money saved on expensive presents to purchase something our family needs to function.

In reality, how many decent-good corners has this team went through? Chiefs will be just fine.

I think we should all be happy that a fourth round pick played like a top cornerback the last couple of years and netted us a 3rd round pick on his exit.

Yup, that’s right. Veach always knew that Sneed was replaceable. Jones? No way. We got what we could get.

Nah, if Veech wanted someone else in FA, it could have happened. You are also assuming there was a better deal out there earlier. I don't think there probably was or it would be done.

I hope the bitch ass titans go 0-17


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I understand being disappointed. I understand that based on reports, we were expecting more.

I understand that for a lot of us, just keeping Sneed and paying him the tag seemed like the thing to do.

Some of you are under the impression that you get a 3rd when he walks, but that is not the case. You MIGHT, depending on whether you sign other comparable players. It's a net gain/loss formula. No guarantees.

It's clear that KC had decided they were going to try to sign Jones and let Sneed go. It was only ever going to be one big deal this off-season. I expect if they'd been unable to get Jones signed, they'd have pivoted to Sneed.

They weren't going to pay both.

I'm sure Veach was hoping for a better return, too. The bottom line is-this is the market that developed. If KC wasn't going to pay him, the only other choice was to take the best offer. It sucks, but this was it.

It's disappointing, but it is what it is. It doesn't mean anyone made some huge blunder.

Nobody wanted to give up a high pick AND pay Sneed the huge contract.

The Lions were the best shot. In order to justify trading a high pick and take on top of market salary you need a team going all in that's willing to sacrifice some future to get one of the final missing pieces to make their push.

Adding onto this. Jalen Ramsey was 28 when he was traded to Miami last year and cost a 3rd and that guy is way more accomplished on paper than Sneed.

Corners are going for 3rd rd value unless they are stars that are 25 and under.

The market seems pretty clear

It is time for Williams and Watson to get the run. They are ready. Jones is a unicorn. It was the right call and the only way to keep this thing going at full force. Draft well, replace the replaceable and move forward.

Plus I’ll take a high to mid 3rd over a mythical comp pick. It’s a better deal.

Again Meck - taken in concert with the Davis trade, if this was 'the best offer' then it's only because Veach overplayed his hand.

In no world is Carlton Davis more valuable than Sneed.

So even presuming I agree with everything else you said, Veach absolutely did not maximize his return here. If he had, there's no way he gets less for Sneed than Detroit gave up for Davis.

It was bad work by Brett. It happens but it's absolutely the case.

When the Lions get ass-raped in the secondary over and over again next season we will all have a smug, shit-eating grin on our faces.

I think they had their token season of good fortune and success, time for them to go back to being mediocre.

Willie Gay going for $5 mil makes me a lot more disappointed than Sneed getting a giant bag.

I'm surprised by all the rustled jimmies. It was evident from the get go that neither the Chiefs nor Sneed were going to get what they hoped for; life's tough at the top. So what do you do next? A good GM will endeavor to make the best move for the team and for the player they want the best for (see Poles/Fields): you get a 3rd from a mediocre team (similar to other "best" options), a 7th (we are all disappointed in The Market), and most importantly, the freed up space to fill holes for a Thee-Peat. Several holes. Sneed gets generational wealth and I'm sure those close to him are beyond happy for him. BV can now shop for a LT, backup QB, RBs, and LB depth...in the aggregate, the team may not lose a step. With new weapons and a line upgrade, the O may quickly return to form. McDuffie looks perfectly capable of taking the blitz and lock-down roles. Best of allo, BV goes to the Draft without pressing needs, and maybe next year's 3rd allows for a trade-up for the player they identify as "their guy" (McDuffie...I'm sure many remember most of the Draftniks rating Kyler Gordon ahead of TM in nearly every mock and player rating). Let BV do his thing and keep your knickers straight, if anyone has proven they can perform all GM functions at the highest level, it's BV.

I didn't consider that -- so you think we had better offers early and turned them down?

Not at all what I was hoping for, but time to move forward. Signing Hollywood Brown may have canceled out the comp pick for Sneed if we let him walk. At least the 3rd round version.

Trey Smith is not worth a fat new extension… especially if he wants Robert Hunt-type $$$.

Davis 's deal is a fair amount less money with no knee questions.

Man, I appreciate your football takes, but I disagree with you here.

Teams do not want to give up big bags and top draft picks. It does not help that there are questions surrounding his knee/knees that are highly penalized. I would love to keep him but we have shown the ability to get DBs in the mid to late rounds. If nothing else this helps with other players. It shows that we will let a player go where they want instead of just holding them hostage for one additional year.

Carlton Davis contract is nothing like Sneed's? You move Sneed on a one year deal restructured for $9.5m the Lions would have probably given us a 2nd, but Sneed wasn't going to be traded for that compensation. I know you hate it, but the market is the market and we got better comp then letting him walk. The only way you can think this was worse is if you actually thought we were going to pay him the tag. If we don't get this trade done, the Chiefs probably rescind the tag, and prepare as needed instead of uncertainty like last year.

Yea, I don't think the Chiefs will pay Smith. If anything, I can see them possibly signing Creed to an extension and moving him to Guard and drafting a Center if one they like comes open in the mid rounds.

Word, it's pretty bad work by Veach. Thankfully its not setting us back multiple years like some other awful trades. It does hurt for the 3 peat run though, which sucks pretty bad.

Take it for what it is and move on.

Some random thoughts:

The NFL seems to have trends. When the Rams won the Superbowl, we were in the "F them picks" era and teams thought they could copy the Rams success by trading away their draft picks. Now the Chiefs trade away a superstar in Tyreek for picks and go back to back, and maybe the NFL all of a sudden values draft picks more?

It's never made any sense to me, but the original draft placement of a player does appear to affect their trade value. A first round pick who had the exact same career as Sneed to date probably would have gotten more back in a trade.

The "people don't want to trade with the Chiefs" thought process is almost certainly bullshit. Might be true of a team or two, but in general Teams are not up in their feelings like fans are. If some GM thought trading a 2nd round pick to pay Sneed top of the market CB money would put their team over the top, they would have done it.

I love Sneed, but its not like he had multiple years of elite play, has never been an all pro. I guess its just a shitty ish combo of the injury question mark, and the Chiefs negotiating position, and how much Sneed wanted contract wise that resulted in his trade value being lower.

I don't love a 3rd in 2025 obviously, but to keep the dynasty going you are going to need to keep drafting assets that outplay their salary cap cost, and some guy in the first half of the 3rd round definitely has a good chance to do that.

Would have been better to get this trade done on March 12th to have the $20 million cap space available to use at the start of free agency…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Titans and Chiefs almost had the trade for L&#39;Jarius Sneed done on Tuesday March 12th. Both sides worked on trade compensation and it was almost complete by the afternoon. Titans kept working on it and the Chiefs let is play out while always being fine with keeping Sneed.</p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@DMRussini) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1771515546963480689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

100%...I remarked last week that few moves so adroitly spotlighted the Loser-DNA. They had their chance to not only obtain an A+ cover corner/playmaker, but one with the tenacity, toughness, and culture changing on-field leadership and Champ-DNA they so desperately need. Instead, they pull a detroit and sign a guy that gave up over 200 yds to Tyreek Hill in just 2 quarters...the Ford's decided to show up at the Car Show with a Festiva, when they could have brought the Shelby GT.

Since when has KC signed more than one big name at the beginning of free agency? They got Hollywood, and they re-signed Jones. That was your big ticket items.

From there, it was always going to be bargain shopping.

LMAO... You don't think Veach would have maneuvered to get someone they wanted... This narrative is complete BS.

Here's the big picture that I think maybe in the moment we're missing:

Brett Veach's job is to put together a championship caliber team.

If all he does from here is bring back Donovan Smith and Mike Danna, this team looks like it has a top 5 defense and a top 5 offense on paper.

It's pretty hard to argue with that a month from the draft.

Wut? This makes no sense at all. So this was the best and basically only offer they've had on sneed this whole time? So the past week has been just praying someone came and beat the Titans offer before they settled on that trade? That's the only way this timeline makes any kind of sense.

Sooo...BV should learn to Time-Travel? Understanding the market actually takes "time in the market". Was there a level of collusion against the Chiefs? Maybe. Were NFL "experts" and talking heads believing Sneed would return a 1st? A few. Were many assuming he would return a 2nd and 4th/5th? Yes. Did any teams end up offering a 2nd? Doesn't appear so. It's safe to say BV and most plugged-in to the NFL were surprised at the return. MOve on, take the 3rd and the 20 milll and fix the cracks.

Maybe the Chiefs medical staff told Veach that Sneed's knee will be lucky to make it through ten games next year without major surgery.

Veach says I have to dump this lame duck plus our salary cap is too high anyway let's dump Sneed for greener pastures.

Yep, not that hard. This will make us a better team, but not quite as good at CB, but we have decent depth there.

I see some sentiment floating around that Sneed ****ed us by demanding to be paid. I'm not really sure how any rational person could come to that conclusion.

Sneed played his ass of for us, no complaints, was instrumental in winning two titles, and the guy cumulatively has made less than 4 million dollars for that.

Sneed has not made shit. He earned every penny of that contract he demanded. 55 guaranteed.

As far as the madden mentality goes, folks need to wake up and understand this isn't your shitty EA videogame where you get fantasy compensation.

No team that is competently run is going to offer high value to a cap strapped dynasty for a player that the entire world knows they can't keep, or have to significantly hamstring their flexibility to keep them.

It's why there were no solid offers for Chris Jones on his first negotiation. The league is saying to the Chiefs, you can take what we offer, you can pay what you really can't pay, or you can let the player walk.

We got what we could for Sneed. A 4th round pick contributed to two titles and was traded for a 3rd rounder.

He turned a 4th round pick into two rings and a 3rd rounder in return and people are saying Veach lost. Lmao.

Veach is playing the long game here.

Could be worse…he could have given a record-setting contract to a brokedick QB with sub-Alex Smith numbers in the playoffs. LMAO

It wasn't the money

It wasn't the picks,

It was the money

AND the picks.

It is what it is.

The way this played out, I think the chiefs respect sneed, but didn’t want to spend the money to keep him.

My assumption is with McDuffie and the young corners they have, the team feels like they have capable talent to replace him. The next guy up might not lock things down as well as sneed, but there isn’t a gaping hole. It’s just how this league is built…players from the champs are going to get paid, and the team is going to have to make tough choices on who to keep.

Snee dearned his bag, he was a great chief and I hope he does great, except when the titans play KC.

Well damm.. I was already in the mindset of him staying.. I guess LT tackle is the target now.. Don’t really like the comp but I trust the process.. There is a plan..

This isn’t a great trade, but we’ll be fine. Our Defensive Backfield has had a real next man up mentality for a while. I’m gonna trust they have a plan - why wouldn’t I?

In a year that we're attempting to three-peat. If it's any other year whatever, but I can't believe they let him walk for nothing this year.

Also, is any 1 DB really worth all that much anymore? Ignoring when a team completely overpays for one.

Teams can seemingly always find the weak link in the secondary. It seems really important to have several good DBs than a couple great ones surrounded by garbage.

Which was the correct decision.

Sneed maybe only has one year left to play at an elite level with his knee issue.

A seventh this year and a third next year sure doesn't seem like much for a player of his caliber, but whatever... this trains gonna keep on rolling regardless

Had hoped for more. I'm kinda okay with just getting a 3rd rounder but was really wanting that to be in 2024. We probably could've played this better but bottom line is the NFL is designed to make it very tough to keep a championship team together. The Chiefs are completely defying the odds by keeping this much of one together and maintaining a modern-day dynasty. Not everything can go our way. I trust that Veach will take the salary cap room and 3rd round pick and reload to keep it going.

This would be much harder to swallow at any other position

You keep babbling about Davis but did Davis require a new huge contract? NO!!!..did Davis have medical concerns? NO!!..so THE TWO SITUATIONS ARE NOT THE SAME!!.

For all the people dissing the trade as a big failure.................. Do you not think that maybe, just maybe there are facts that influenced our return that are not public?

Maybe the Chiefs don't trust the knee to last 4 years? We have an injured player missing a year for repair. They have been there done that. Do you guys not remember? We paid a safety big money and never got a return and hurt our cap. Maybe just maybe they didn't want to take the risk again?

Maybe just maybe Sneed told the Chiefs in no uncertain terms that he wouldn't play on the tag next year. He was too afraid of injury to the knee and this is his only shot to get the bag. His knee gives out next year, he never gets the huge bag. Now the Chiefs have the money tied up and no player. Get no compensation.

He's not perfect but he does have a fantastic record of getting us DB's. In Veach we trust is still true today, At least for me.

Well, that's underwhelming initially, but we don't know the full story (like it matters). IBVWT.

Great trade for the Titans! Bravo!! That's how you get a rebuild going right there. Love that trade for the Titans. They stole Sneed, too easy.

Huuuuge steal...SURELY they vault themselves into wildcard contention!! Lot's of splashes! New head coach, the sure to be HoF Will Levis at QB! Look out AFC!

If he continues to be a shutdown cornerback for 2 or more years then we got screwed with no grease and no reach around.

Draft picks in 2025 is better. Chiefs will be in a reload type year where we need to get younger.

Chiefs fans of course over value their own players.

I remember the Marcus Peters meltdown like it was yesterday.

Depends on what we do with the assets that we got for him, especially that cap space.

I’ll feel a lot better if his play falls off a cliff like a lot of other DBs that have changed teams.

Not sure what the expectations are here. As mentioned, Carlton Davis, Rasul Douglas and Jalen Ramsey were all 27/28 and traded for a 3rd recently within the last year. That market seemed to be set.

Is Sneed more valuable than Ramsey? I highly doubt that.

I think expectations are a bit unrealistic here for a player that played one really good season and has no pro bowl or all pro accolades on his resume.

No. If the Chiefs utilize the new cap space $ and upgrade LT (through a variety of ways until August), strengthen the RB room, maybe acquire a vet WR, etc, they WILL three-peat. The additional cap space may also enhance the chances of extending other players they wish to keep next year and beyond, could likely result in a run equal to the Patriots. Less emotion, more 3-D chess.