You need to learn about blue, too.

If you had an iota of reading comprehension, you would see that I said multiple times that it's doesn't necessarily mean you literally suck cock.

The 90s were wild lol

It’s weird that we went so far in the other direction immediately after the androgynous 70s and 80s.

Lol I already said THE GUY DOESN'T PLAY LIKE BREES so wtf is your point? Baker and Kyler are the last two short guys drafted number one so how has that gone? ROFL Try and move the goalposts If you like but NFL defenses are gonna FORCE him to stand in that pocket and are also gonna drop eight on occasions just like they do to Pat. Both are things teams did to him which lead to him struggling in the last seven games. Fullstop.

And AGAIN you're ignoring the point I made. IF PAT HAD THE SAME WEAPONS Trevor Burrow, Caleb, Mayfield, Kyler etc all had do you think he would have done worse than them? Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge knows the answer. But carry on bro cheerleading bro :D

More men should wear dresses.

**** them bitches. Men deserve all the flowers.

You apparently are unable to comprehend your own words.

No, false equivalence.

I think a huge reason why kids say it's hard being gay is because of their parents. Other kids don't really give a shit if their peers are gay, but religious parents sure give a shit and ridicule the kid.

I'd have absolutely no issue if I had a gay son. Wanting your son to have a family of their own with your own biological grand kids is the weakest/flimsiest argument I've ever heard someone make for why they'd be a tad upset. You couldn't love an adopted grand child? There are ways for gay men to have biological children too.

People commit suicide over being gay.

I've never heard of a white dude killing himslef becuase he likes black girls.

JFC this is reeruned.

Never said that. Nothing even close to it. It's a matter of preference. I prefer my son to be straight and live as normal of a life as possible.

Sorry that's so controversial for you virtuous ****s.

I'd imagine it's different for everybody, but not being normal as a kid is rough no matter how accepting your parents are.

Boys aren't going to bully you for simply liking black girls, but if you're gay and overly effeminate? It's going to be tough.

It's a thing ...great thread by the way

No, you just can't ****ing read:

ITT: Dudes who don't interact with Gen Zers. Blurred gender norms are kind of their thing.

“They’re going to play defense against him, bro! You don’t understand!”

LMAO

You think NFL scouts don’t take supporting cast and opposing talent into consideration?

You aren’t half as smart as you think you are.


I’ll side with Staylor on this one. If I had my choice or preference, I would definitely prefer my son to be straight for the same reasons he’s mentioned.

I wouldn’t really care either way but I’d rather my kid not go through that if it could be avoided.


Seriously. In 2024 no less!

Although, if you’ve ever heard the expression “gay for the stay” then you know the waters were already a little murky to begin with.

Nobody would confuse you for being a homophobe either.

It's pretty amazing. This is absolutely the opinion of the majority of men, but somehow on CP it's controversial?

I live in ****ing Key West for crying out loud. It doesn't get any more gay. I have no problem with gay people, and I would absolutely love my son and make him feel safe to tell me if he were. Doesn't mean I have to ****ing do backflips in excitement after.

The “he’s short” argument is such a tired one anyway.

As if the list of 6’5” QB busts isn’t a mile long.

And I’ll just go ahead and say it, Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray certainly haven’t lived up to their #1 status, but they’re both plus starters in this league. The jury is still out on Bryce Young, as it should be.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure most straight guys would prefer that their daughter's be gay and their sons not. The math isn't hard to work out...

Bryce Young is in a different category of small though. Dude is ****ing tiny. It was a legit knock on him.

Lol the same defense HE STRUGGLED WITH in his last SEVEN GAMES most of which THEY LOST? But apparently smartypants over here thinks that pattern means nothing? ROFL.

And of course the COWARD ducks the fact that the last three short QB's drafted number one never reached expectations and he also can't answer my question regarding Pat playing with the same talent as the guys he claims were "better prospects"!!.. but keep RUNNING buddy!!..your argument might make sense one day :thumb:

Baker, Kyler and Young all struggled.

But Caleb is clearly superman ROFL

Correct and I fully agree.

Keep reading, you ****ing nimrod. I addressed Baker, Kyler and Bryce Young.

Shall we pore over the list of 6’2”+ #1 busts? The list is long.


He is. I was concerned when he “bulked up” to 202 or whatever at the combine.

I knew then that meant he was probably playing at like 175-180 and that’s tough, even for a pocket passer.

And I'm just going to say one more thing about the subject before I stick to football.

Every single dude in this thread would choose straight if they had to make a choice the day their son was born. Not a single dude on this forum would honestly choose gay. I don't believe that for a ****ing second.

Whew.

Shout out to the dads who know the joy is watching your kid choose their own life.

Now read your sentence after the part you bolded

As long as they don't wear pink and paint their nails!

Or you can always just do what you're told and have a built in excuse whenever you may fail...

Im still stuck on the white nails thing.

I think it's really silly that if we told these He Men that he carries the phone because a lil girl who loves him asked him to, they would be just fine with it.

The switch is in their heads.

Lol you utter IDIOT!!..the list is longer because there are vastly more 6'2 plus guys that have performed well in college and made it to the draft. Successful shorter guys ARE STILL OUTLIERS in college and even worse in the NFL dummy. So you can't compare the two.

The bottom line is ALL of the best QB's today and the best one's who have been drafted over the last several years ARE ALL TALLER THAN CALEB...FACT.

Does that mean he's gonna be a bust? No. But the worrying trend of qb's his height going into the nfl over the last six years has been clear to see. They are either bad or average at best. Fullstop.

You're such a ****ing idiot it is incredible.

Yes, if a little boy natrually gravitates towards effeminate things, there's a decent chance he's gay. I'm clearly not talking in absolutes when I say that, hence "decent chance".

Dudes being overly effeminate often (NOT ALL THE TIME FOR IDIOTS LIKE YOU) overlaps with sexuality. You understand that, right?

If I had to choose between my son being the next Patrick Mahomes or working a desk job, I'd choose the NFL star. That doesn't mean it'd bother me if it didn't work out, though.

Well this thread took an interesting turn

Not really.

Seems to have gone the same way they all do...

Wow, sounds like you think being straight is MUCH better LMAO

That's fine. It doesn't have to "bother you". Just don't tell me you don't have a preference whatsoever if presented the choice. That's all I'm saying.

I can honestly say that since my daughter's were born that I've never once thought "sure hope she isn't a lesbian". Before we knew we were having girls and they had the chance to be a boy....still never crossed my mind that I hoped he would turn out straight.

I get what you're saying. It's not about being gay specifically, but your own kid going through the bullshit/ridicule/bullying/etc; and no parent would wish that on anyone or want to see their own kid go through it.

Do we think Caleb Williams sticks his ass up like a cat stretching at the bottom of the pile looking for a little extra contact?

This thread rules btw

Wow, you're just so much better than people like me. Kudos man.

It's not like being gay is the only thing that people get shit on for.

:thumb:

****ing pussy.

At the same time, that type of bullshit is less common today than it was when we were kids. Something like a third of gen Z identify as one of the alphabet soup of not straight these days.

Wow that's just an amazing ****ing point you have there.

Wearing ugly shoes for example is totally the same thing as being a feminine little boy that gets bullied into depression/suicice.

You really are this ****ing reeruned, huh?

People who are poor get bullied into depression.
People who aren't smart get bullied into depression.
Depending on where you live...people who aren't a certain religion get bullied into depression.

The list is endless. Maybe...just maybe....we should handle the whole "bullying" problem instead of putting the onus on the gay kid.

News flash:

I wouldn't want my kid to be pooor.

I wouldn't want my kid to be stupid.

Again, you really are this ****ing reeruned.

The pink lipgloss doesn't seem to be an issue. Interesting

You're so angry that you can't even type correctly. Take a xanax.

Sure (and you're preaching to the choir on that)... and I think these days it's different, too. I don't know if being gay growing up is that much worse than all the other reasons kids get bullied.

IF there was a significantly higher chance of significant bullying/ridicule/bullshit for any given reason... then I wouldn't want my kid to have to go through that.

That's completely separate from how I'd raise the kid (I wouldn't coach them to be straight, for example) and there would be zero disappointment.... it would however suck to see them go through the bullshit.

Maybe because I have a kid with a lifelong condition....that I've never once worried about her sexual orientation and spent more time worrying about her health. Which of course she got bullied for.

So yet again...something that she couldn't control got her shit from other people.

I will honestly say that when my two sons were young I hoped they would turn out to be straight. Wouldn't love them any less or judge them in any way if they weren't, but I think parents have a natural inclination towards wanting what they define as "normal" for their kids. Fewer challenges in life. Of course that could end up to be complete folly as they might turn out to be gay and that brings out in them other traits that make them wildly successful and leading a happy life.

Yea, I'd just deflect after getting called out on that stupid point too if I were you.

Also, LMAO @ ending bullying. Good luck with that. I'm sure it will go about as well as ending racism, world hunger, murder, etc.

Staylor will tell you otherwise but I never once said I had a problem with that. Doesn't make you a homophobe like he said. I've just never thought about it.

And if you had a choice, you'd prefer she didn't have said condition.

JFC you're so close.

Did I use the word ending? I must have missed that. But because we can't end something...we should probably never work on it, huh?

More gaslighting.

How exactly do you suggest we "work on it"?

You can't change human nature. Sorry. Your utopia isn't realistic.

It’s completely normal to think this way. It’s also completely normal to want your kids to potentially marry someone of the same race in the hopes your genetic characteristics get passed along

Nobody wants a gay or trans kid. If your kid is gay or trans you figure it out and do your best to be a good parent but it’s nobody’s first option given the choice. Which doesn’t matter because you ultimately get little to no say in who your child wants to **** unless you’re one of these religious loons or one of these rainbow warriors that parade them around to alphabet events. Then you might mold their young mind enough to push them down a certain path

Eh, I think he's just attempting to make a brand for himself. Can make a lot of money off the field by being quirky and different because people notice and talk about it. Dennis Rodman paved the way for it in the 90s. No one was giving endorsements and media hype to a defensive rebound specialist who can't shoot when he was in Detroit until the dude started dying his hair crazy colors, piercing everything and wearing wedding dresses. He suddenly became a celebrity and banging chicks like Carmen Electra because of that.

Just in case this comment was directed at me, it is exciting watching your child become who they’re meant to be.

I mean, as long as they don’t become an asshole, I can’t say I mind either way.

If I had my choice, I’d prefer my son end up being on the taller side but I won’t be upset if he’s a 5’4” short king.

There’s nothing clear about it. Baker and Kyler’s issues aren’t that they’re short and the best QBs aren’t the best because they’re tall.

You’re overrating height like a lot of people do. Same with arm strength. It’s way overblown.

Might be preferential though. Wouldn’t have to worry as much about teenage pregnancy lol

At the same time, Staylor does still regularly call people bundle of stickss so he’s feeding into this same culture that he recognizes doesn’t make being gay entirely acceptable.

Oh GMAFB with this shit. I don't use the word bundle of sticks in any kind of hateful anti-gay context. I know gay guys that use that word in similar contexts. I've never once called a gay person a bundle of sticks.

Me not using that word isn't going to all of a sudden create you guys' utopia where bullying doesn't exist.

Talk to your kid, talk to the other parents, talk to the school, etc.

The flip side of not wanting your kids to deal with the bullshit is showing them how to properly handle it... and I think that sort of thing can go a long way towards not seeing major issues like depression.

Parents can absolutely deal with it the wrong way and make shit worse.

My kids will always be taught that bullying is never ok.

I don't really think anything else can be done outside of that. This idea that we can control the rest of society is just nonsense.

I’m just glad this future bust won’t be our problem. I really wish the Donks would draft him, but I’m sure they’ll find some other shitty QB somewhere.

Oh, now you’ve gone and done it!

Jk, I know a lot of people think this way so I’m not going to change any minds, but it is important to note that you’re only passing roughly 25% of your genes to your grandchildren regardless.

If anything, I think culture is the biggest thing when it comes to that stuff.

I'm half white half Cuban, but I identity more with ny Cuban side and that's the culture I grew up with, and that my kids will grow up with (my wife is also Cuban).

I'd love it if my family's culture stays Cuban, but it's not a big deal by any means.

It goes a long way with your kid if you try though.

There are obviously gray areas and extremes when it comes to not fighting all of your kid's battles and not being helicopter parent, and not being outraged at parents and the school... while also teaching your kid how to stick up for themselves and so forth.

But, a little effort towards making things right and going to bat for them (depending on all the things, obviously) can go a long way.... hell the kids of the bully may even thank you.

I mean... wouldn't you want a teacher to inform you if your kid was being stuffed in lockers and what not?

Dennis Rodman could get rebounds like no other that was his only role on the team outside of getting the ball to Jordan and Pippin. He accepted his role on the team doing that.

Ohh I would absolutely be in top of things if I had concerns that my son was the one being bullied (or potentially getting bullied).

When winning you can let the mold grow on your shower shoes.

Lol yeah all those short qb's drafted 1st have struggled for no reason obviously!!..them being weak throwing over the middle because they can't see well has nothing to do with it clearly ROFL

Exactly. It's like Jim Bouton said in Ball Four. "You're only as smart as your ERA."

Caleb Williams is what happens when you went your entire life without being called a bundle of sticks.

My parents are crazy non-confrontational (I somehow don't think that's an issue for you LMAO), so their solution was telling me to just ignore it.

And if you don't know anything about bullies... they don't really care if you ignore them.

LMAO

I'm the type to tell the bully's dad that if he doesn't resolve it, me and him are going to have problems.

I grew up with a dad that would tell me to punch a bully in the mouth the next time he ****s with me.

Idk shit about your ancestry but I’ve been to Cuba and I’ve been around a lot of Cubans in America so I know there’s a good chance your shit is pretty mixed up anyway. It’s really not uncommon for Latinos to not look a lot like some of their grandparents and that’s pretty normal.

You realize you have a sample size of two, right? Bryce Young was drafted last year. We cannot determine much about him at this point.

Do you have proof that they struggle to throw over the middle because they can’t see?

You might want to keep them out of CP DC or other political areas where bullying is openly celebrated.

To be honest, I don't think even the DC is as bad as young boys can be. As bad as I am, I was 100x worse as a kid/teen.

Drew Brees is both short, slight of build AND had a relatively weak arm and you couldn’t name 10 QBs in the history of the league better than he was.

Dan Marino scored like a 14 on the Wonderlic and Brett Favre was obviously a total dumbass. The only positive note about Tom Brady coming into the league was that he had a plus arm.

Height, like intelligence, or arm strength is just one piece of what goes into making a good NFL QB.