Do you have a tweet confirming it's a lie?

No, that's definitely what I saw.

Chris Jones has a very large domino effect on the defense in a multitude of different ways. Lets take a look at his double team rate and his effectiveness against double teams:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate at defensive tackle (x) by pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (y) for the 2022 NFL season.<br><br>(ESPN / NFL Next Gen Stats) <a href="https://t.co/wXJS0c5CdV">pic.twitter.com/wXJS0c5CdV</a></p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1613948311043543059?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not only is Chris Jones amongst the highest double teamed defensive tackle, he is by far and away the most effective at winning through a double team. What this does for the Chiefs is a couple of different things:

1- Allows their edge rushers more 1 on 1 matchups. I think this point is particularly important because our edge rushers are so young. I think it gives them a better opportunity to develop their technique and allow them success early on at the NFL level.

2. A higher sense of predictability against other teams protection schemes. Not many teams are going to give Chris Jones a 1 on 1 matchup on 3rd and long. If you understand where the protection or help for the guard is coming from, it is easier to scheme pressure. Spags I think has done a really good job of this, especially last season.

3. Allows the Chiefs to rush 4 more often with success, which gives the secondary more bodies in coverage.

You'll see games where Jones doesn't have the splash plays or lights up the stat sheet but I guarantee you the attention he draws week in and week out allows other players easier matchups so they can shine.

The only real knock on Chris Jones is that he isn't a fantastic run defender. I think the games against the Bengals in which we've lost in the past is because their offense has done a nice job in staying ahead of the sticks and being in manageable down & distances. Signings like Brandon Williams, Danny Shelton or draft picks like Nnadi & Saunders (pure run defender + space eater) are because the Chiefs need a DT to be paired with Jones that can compliment him nicely. This defense is designed to rush the passer and get pressure on the QB, we just got to get to 3rd and 7+.

A few of us have discussed this in the draft forum. The Chiefs are on the cusp of being on par with the greatest dynasties in NFL history and Chris Jones needs to be on the roster for us to do that. We are in a Super Bowl window, and although we were able to mitigate the loss of Tyreek Hill, I don't think we have the players on defense to make up for the loss of Chris Jones.

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Maybe he was double-teamed because of the edges he played with. He's by far and away the best lineman on the team, but I think the gap has a lot to do with the lack of pass-rush talent around him than him being that great.

I'd rather the Chiefs let it ride this year with his contract and let Jones walk next year than sign him to a 30 mil a year contract at 29. If he were 26, I'd be willing to listen, but not in a 3rd contract at 29 years old.

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it's not that he isn't worth a double team -- he absolutely is. But he was the ONLY one worth a double team. Hopefully Karlaftis changes that this year.

There aren’t many guys “worth” a double team in the league.

I guess Chris Jones is just a Beta to Frank Clarks Alpha

Hurry up and sign, jeez!

Maybe he’s at breakfast

I just checked Le Peep and Perkins. No luck. :(

YOU GOT A LE PEEPS?!?

Well this certainly isn’t the news I wanted to hear. Not good.

It's supposed to cool down out of the 100's around here by like midweek next week. Keep your eyes peeled on Wednesday or Thursday for him to show up.

Bump

I dont think so. I have a feeling this is going to take awhile. :shake:

I keep hearing if we cave to Chris Jones we won't be able to resign 2 or 3 other good players......Sneed, Humphrey, and Trey......Jones not worth all that

Bump for 95 C. Jones Chiefs!

His Instagram post is hilarious.
We still working.

I don't know how work is defined where you come from son, but you ain't doing anything in those pictures but standing around, drinking, or sitting on your ass in the rest of em.

Next, who wears skintight black gear to go out in ridiculous temperatures and work out in the direct sunlight.

Likely scenario, Chris wore his favorite skintight black gear, walked out into the direct sunlight, immediately busted into a massive sweat and then posed for some pictures talking about how hard he's working.

Gold.

Jones will play this year and probably play ok for his mear 20 mil and then they will let him walk. Tag is a crazy number they won't want to pay so he's out in 2024.

He wants 30 mil per and Veach won't do it. I said it in March.

Come on pillowbitergot!

fine total 300,000 and counting

Jones will get tagged next offseason if there is not a long term agreement made, I still believe that happens.
I do not believe Carrington Harrison has his tag number correct, which is the only place I have seen with that ridiculous number.

That's pocket change

I would definitely sign Jones even if its Donald money. If that means we don't sign Creed Humphrey I do not really care. We dont need an elite center as much as a team that likes to power run up the middle. I just dont understand why Creed is a KC love child and must be signed under any circumstance. Hes the best center in the game and hes gonna be paid like it.

I mean, there’s 3 obvious reasons with Creed:

1. He’s younger
2. He protects Patrick Mahomes
3. Centers get paid less than DL who can rush the passer

Might as well make every starting olineman the highest paid player in the NFL at their position because they protect Patrick Mahomes.

Outside of RB and punter, Center may be the least important position on the roster at least on a team who plays like the Chiefs.

I will be firmly on team do not sign Creed Humphrey. Pay Bolton, Sneed, Jones instead. If there are positions you can skimp on to save cost, Center is definitely it.

No one on this team but Mahomes should get 30 million.

I dont think you understand the IQ that's required for center, and with the talent pouring into the defensive line currently, you'd be stupid to skimp any of those positions.

If the actors can strike with the writers. I can Strike with Chris Jones. I am going to call my school and say I am not reporting for inservice until they rework my contract for more money.

Daniele Hunter just signed with the vikes



Time for jones to get signed

Send his ass to Chicago for a 1st round pick, plus some.

Trade up to get Brock Bowers.

Chiefs will put up 50 burgers every week.

Not true.

The Chiefs aren't going to sign all three anyway. In reality, all three of them are prime candidates for free agency when their contract is up.

--> Sneed's position has depth behind him in McDuffie (and maybe Nic Jones).
--> The Chiefs have let every stud center they've drafted in the 2nd round walk. (Rodney Hudson, Mitch Morse)
--> The Chiefs are likely to extend Joe Thuney for eternity and I don't think it's likely they pay two guards great money.

The Chiefs have about $50m in cap space for next year, but Jones' contract will probably eat 30 of that. That remaining $20m is what Veach likes to start with, ensuring he can sign his rookie class and that he can have extra scratch to do some deals throughout the season.

That means the Chiefs will need to carve out some space with Thuney/Mahomes/Taylor extensions/restructures if they see fit.

For the record, I believe they have Smith and Humphrey for two more seasons anyway. I really don't know what they're going to do with Sneed, and his contract demands will probably tell the tale of what happens to him.

They aren’t going to have Jones on the roster with a $30MM cap hit. That’s why he will get a new deal or be traded next year.

Agree with most of this but Veach will make Creed the highest paid center in the league next year. I think they allow Thuney to walk and sign Trey just because of the age thing. We will also let Gay go and sign Bolton. Mahomes redo of his contract wont hurt our cap space the first year.

2025 the cap is going to explode up. These will look like bargains.

I don't think they keep running with Thuney forever.

Kind of feels to me like they'll invest at Creed Humphrey and ride out Thuney while trying to find a long-term solution at LT that they put big money on when Thuney is let go.

So chiefs planet wants to sign the ****ing center and let the most dominant defensive force in the league walk? Jesus.

If your QB is competent and athletic, like Mahomes, you don't need to spend as much on O-line than if your QB is Tom Brady or Joe Burrow. It is certainly a mistake to just have all jags out there but also a huge mistake to beef it up so much that you are overspending. I want a good center, but I don't want the best center (Creed) because of how much you will have to pay him. Jason Kelce makes 15M a year right? Creed is going to demand 15-20M you would have to think. He's such an easy candidate to allow walk. We let Morse and Hudson walk and it was a very great move. It is waaay easier to replace a good center with a serviceable one than it is to replace a LT or RT with a serviceable one...and even harder to find a good DT. This is moneyball in the NFL 101. Don't pay a center if you aren't a power running team.

Yeah. The center is younger and cheaper and the best in the league. Mahomes needs him more.

I know right

Obv I'd love to keep everyone but at some point you have to pick and choose what players and positions you are going to keep. The chasm between Chris Jones and the avg to slightly below avg player at his position is MUUUUCH bigger than the difference in Creed Humphrey and an avg center.

Don't be obtuse, nobody is saying to just let Jones walk.

What they are saying is $30MM AV is a little ridiculous and hopefully they can find a middle ground and still have money left to pay Creed and some other guys.

Sneed is gone IMO we have too much depth and draft picks tied up in the CB position to pay him what he can get.

Willie Gay becomes the next question.

i really don't get why we delegate a roster spot to long snapper. Why can't Creed long snap ? that extra spot could be used as a WR

The 7th WR spot will be filled by not having a FB.

The long snapper on punts runs down the field on coverage. Creed aint tackling anyone.

Why can't someone else run downfield and tackle. Creed could sit back and protect our punter.

I think I need to call Andy ,bet he hasn't thought this thru

Because everyone has a job on ST. What you are proposing is losing another defender when the punter is already not much of a defender.

Well, if not Creed then Someone else that already has a position. My point was that it just seems a waste to have one person that's all he does is Long snap.

These are pro athletes that have skill and lots of talent. Surely a Justin Watson or a Trent McDuffie or a Noah Gray can learn to hike a football

It seems I remember hearing Kelce was our emergancy long snapper, but I wouldn't want him out there tackling.

I get it but since every team carries one......

Hell Ive always wondered why not have a punter/place kicker. But i guess its too specialized as well.

Well, then in case of injury we'd lose two positions at once. Another thought is why the hell isn't a QB the place holder for field goals. Seems to me it would open up a pass play opportunity.

Watch videos on long snapping/place kicking procedure. It's so precise that you really do need someone there just for that job. They measure the whole process down to a tenth of a second so it cant be a part time player and it really can't be a center cause it would likely mix them up.

Back in the day, a lot of teams used the backup QB for place holder and it did open up better trick passing plays.

My understanding, teams switched to using the punter as the place holder just because it made practice easier.

Been quietly thinking about Bowers on KC, myself. Def. could see his being here.

Literally every year there's someone who brings this idea up.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/...llege-football

Also, I believe kicking is the #1 way you score points in the NFL.

I think kickers score more than on-field players. So you're going to want maximum efficiency there.

It's more like this:

Jones and his $30M AVG while having to let a couple of starters walk.

OR

Draft compensation from a Jones trade + Keeping two other staters(Creed+Who ever else).

It sounds like a great idea until the first time he sails the ball over the punter's head for a safety and loses a game. Then you've just outsmarted yourself just to show up on highlight blooper reels until the end of time.

Would you let Derrick Thomas walk? I wouldn't. Same with Jones. He's a blue chip phenom freakish talent.

Skipped OTAs, skipped the ring ceremony and now camp so far. Jones is not happy with the offer. This is long from being over.

yes you ****ing genius chiefsplanet wants to sign the guy who is a direct ****ing path to the most important player in all of team sports

You clearly hate Jones for some boomer logic reason, so you’re not really worth the time, but …

He was at the White House and the Super Bowl parade. He was sick during the ring ceremony. Not attending OTAs and training camp is standard if you’re holding out for an extension. He’s following his agents advice. Not sure what your problem is, but business is business and it goes both ways between the organization and the players.

anyone intimating that Jones is a bad teammate is absolutely off their rocker

He’s also almost 30.

We're seriously at a point where we are saying that Chris Jones is on par with DT..... Really?

Some of you all either have really short memories or you just say things that sound good in your head but are actually pretty damn dumb when you think about it.

First it was that he was better than Aaron Donald, now he's on par with DT. Jesus

Despite what many on here think I love Chris Jones but yeah he's not DT... I could only imagine the type of impact DT would have in today's pass happy era.

Little aggressive here, you good?

Roids?

Correct. If he were 25 or 26 then you try to find a way to keep him but very few players play at a high level after 30, so that ties the Chiefs hands on what type of money they can offer, IMO.

I don't hate Jones but it was clear months ago what he would want. He wanted in with his last contract and now has another ring so he wants the moon. We dont pay the moon anymore other than Mahomes. He will show up eventually and play probably ok.

He needs to get into camp. No long term deal? Whatever. Just get in game shape and kick some ass one last season and get your payday next year.

I'm fine. Just think it was an absurdly stupid take that contributed nothing other than an ill thought out emotional and sentimental plea.

My inner Milkman came out a bit.

8 * 50000 = 400,000 in fines and counting


really surprised, I thought Chris Jones was more of a team player who really wanted to be here. Can't hate the guy for trying to get all he can I guess.


no chance he is training as hard as they are working out at training camp

He's going to be really mad when he's franchise tagged next offseason.

He’s not on the level of DT, but is he not clearly the best defensive player we’ve had since?

This board has a lot more absurdly stupid takes than that comparison.

Some might still be trying to dangle CEH in exchange for Justin Jefferson?!

I'm not sure he was saying they're the EXACT same talent level, that wasn't his point.

CJ would definitely be the closest we have to DT talent level.

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We aren't paying mahomes the moon either.

And that's a problem. Mahomes makes comments that he's okay making less because guys like kelce and Jones are still getting paid. Well, neither one are getting paid top of the market either. Sometimes you are going to have to maybe slightly overpay someone so that you can still underpay mahomes.

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