So we replaced JuJu and solidified the X position all at once for the next few years. I'm not seeing the downside here.

This is very promising

Can't wait to see Mahomes throw this guy open. Want to see YAC?

Chiefs at Jets.

Rice is going to overpower the Sauce and going to shake up the culinary world.--:homer::homer::homer:

Right lack of separation and drops are not what I wanted in a receiver.


But then again diversifying the receivers isn't a bad idea and the attributes he does have are something this team is lacking.

The first time somebody compared him to Hopkins my viewpoint changed. Rashee is actually faster than Hopkins. And if he ends up more Roddy White than Deandre Hopkins that's okay as well.

Also it's been since basically Robinson left that we've had that receiver who scrambles to get open when the play breaks down. We could use more of that.

This guy seems to possess a skillset this receiver room lacks. Really excited!

Yes,

Only Ross has catching like this. Now I'm interested to see if he can translate to NFL.

With Reid scheming he will get open looks. Catch the ball.......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SMU WR Rashee Rice<br>HT/WT: 6&#39;1&quot; / 204<br>Arm/Hand: 32.75&quot; / 9.5&quot;<br>40: 4.51<br>10: 1.49<br>Vert: 41&quot;<br>Broad: 10&#39;8&quot;<br><br>Brandon Aiyuk <br>HT/WT: 6&#39;0&quot; / 205<br>Arm/Hand: 33.5&quot; / 9.75&quot;<br>40: 4.50<br>10: 1.52<br>Vert: 40&quot;<br>Broad: 10&#39;8&quot;</p>&mdash; Chris Trapasso �� (@ChrisTrapasso) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1632571688826068992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

separation should not be a problem for him with those numbers. that broken toe had to have impacted him.

Love the Aiyuk comparison!

Closer to Aiyuk or Hopkins?

I was surprised to see that he’s taller than Hopkins.

I see the Hopkins splash plays.

The outmuscling, leaping, contested catches scream D-hop.

The guy who can jump up in a crowd and come down with the football anyway. That's Big-time. Especially in redzone where it gets crowded.

As for drops, that can be worked on. I remember a guy who wore 88 dropping a ridiculous amount of passes, and then going on to be one of the most prolific pass catchers in Chiefs history.

Jody Fortson

Well here's hoping he's more valuable than Jody.

Kollman writes for the chargers and spent all season picking against the chiefs so take it fwiw

This is my hope. he looks pretty good in that 2022 vid, but he lacks burst, which might've been due to the toe.

Though you watch that clip of him vs. Bryant and Sauce (which was from 2021?), and he allows himself to be pressed out to the boundary a couple times, and he really doesn't get open except on a play where Sauce is playing zone and another when he puts a nice double move on Bryant at the end. And Rice really doesn't get open on the zone play until late in the route.

He does look a bit like DHop in certain respects, obviously with his high-pointing ability and athleticism, but also his aggressiveness/physicality in the mid-stem part of his routes. He works hard to create leverage and isn't afraid to mix it up to put the DB on his back.

Curiously he seems to play softer in his releases, which is how Sauce/Bryant were able to redirect him pretty easily during the release. If he consistently runs his releases that way in the NFL, he's going to have problems early on, except when he's schemed open, because he lacks the elite burst/speed to just run away from DBs.

That kind of thing should be fixable though. The drops and the fumbles are also concerning, but there is a lot of potential with this kid. I could see him becoming a Sammy Watkins level WR, except without the injury issues (fingers crossed). That would be a nice get as a long-term solution if it worked out that way.

P.S. the guy that would help him develop the most is actually probably DHop. No one better at the position in the technical/mechanical aspects of route-running at all levels, hand-fighting during the release, footwork, etc.

Overall, i like what I'm seeing from Rice. Lot of really good with this guy.

Watching 2021 videos, you see more separation in those than in his 2022 videos. Lends some credence to the idea the toe injury held him back.

If you were excited about Quentin Johnston or intrigued by the idea of trading for Brandon Aiyuk, you should like Rice. He and Aiyuk are basically physical clones.

I see more AJ brown than Aiyuk

Chiefs-ish as in drafting like a team that has been to 3 super bowls in 4 years? Or perhaps Chiefs-ish meaning drafting like a team that wins a championship with tons of rookies playing significant roles.

Isn't Kollman a Texans fan

I was thinking this EXACT same thing. Way back I watched those highlights and was buzzed but he honestly looked a different player this year. Not necessarily worse but I wasn't seeing that separation at all.

Wasn't massive on this guy based on his tape last year but now you're all talking about him like he's Aiyuk, i might be back on board.

They have almost identical athletic profiles (height, weight, vert, 10- and 20-yard splits, 40 time).

Obviously no guarantee he’s as good as Aiyuk, but there’s a lot to like there.

We have the makings of a very good young receiving crew, if some can stay healthy, and others pan out. Toney, Moore, Rice, Ross + MVS and Watson.

He was. Not sure he is anymore. After the Watson and DHop trades he soured on HOU quite a bit. Iirc, he said he was going to remain a DHop/Watson fan but not necessarily a HOU fan.

Obviously after everything came out about Watson, he may not still be a Deshaun fan.

This is probably the most talented total WR group we’ve had in KC in a very long time.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Look, this is objectively awesome. Rice let the DB know about it after the play too. <a href="https://t.co/GN5tdhVLFm">pic.twitter.com/GN5tdhVLFm</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1652333506188705792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Man Rashee Rice is very polarizing amongst people who do the draft really 50/50 on opinions.

The Kollman thing is he watched Rice back in February and didn't like him...like I said polarizing.

Some people love him others think he's a 4th rounder.

It’s hard to take Kollman too seriously after him loving MEH so much, and his awful takes during this past postseason.

Now that is a Jerry Rice style run-block. Got a mini-chubby just watching that.

Draft stuff is all opinion obviously, Rice does have some bad habits. I mean I'll say this if you believe 6' WRs need to burn and create separation and can't be contested catch guys because they're not 6'4 you'll probably hate Rice as a prospect.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a 2020 snap from Rice. Previous play, he ran the same route and didn&#39;t come back for the ball. CB went through him and got the pick.<br><br>They went right back to him and this time he comes back for it, then creates YAC. <a href="https://t.co/oXsNfDi0nv">pic.twitter.com/oXsNfDi0nv</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1652329894129573888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh definitely, knew it was going to be divisive as soon as that pick was made. Don’t know a lot about the kid but the fact that a lot of our resident CP draft nerds love the guy, gives me some hope.

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I am sure I will get flamed for this, but he looks much slower than his 40 time. Even before the broken toe.

Everyone is making a big deal out of Mahomes supposedly telling Veach to go get him, but I want someone to ask Mahomes if he also told Veach to go get Flowers. Like, did Mahomes not like Flowers or Quentin Johnston? We will probably never get a true, real answer, but it would be interesting to hear what Mahomes says.

Hopefully. I have my doubts but I also don’t think it matters

Skyy is going to catch everything sight and this guy is going to be DRob. I’m going to be good with that.

Pretty sure Mahomes liked Flowers but we weren’t able to trade up to snag him

Oh. Oh, no.

Drob would be far below Rice's floor. Drob is a homeless man's Rice.

I'm sure he liked Flowers, but we already have the comp to him in Toney. Johnston I think was overrated, but we'll see. Both went too high to grab anyway, and Rice was the guy they could get to.

I really think there was tier 1 WR, which was Smith-Nigba, period.

Tiers two and three are all in the eye of the beholder, but the 'run' everyone was talking about was in this larger group.

Rice is kind of in the middle there (and that's how the draft played out later as well, with some guys I thought were in the lower end of this tier lasting much later than I thought), and they went and got the specific guy in that grouping that they wanted.

I really don't understand why anyone would be down on that conceptually. Maybe he would've made it to 63, but that's 50/50 at best. So they went up 8 spots and got their guy.

I understand that individuals may have had a favorite player they wanted, but there's no way that's a reach by any reasonable standard.

I was looking at WRs who could threaten with speed/explosion opposite MVS.

Instead, Rice looks like a traditional West Coast WR but that makes perfect sense because that's what our offense looked like last year.

He looks like a possession 1 they want across from MVS.

Toney, Skyy, Ritchie, and Kelce work the middle.

Why did make Flowers and Johnston known at Texas, but kept Rice under the radar? Something tells me they didn’t want people to know Mahomes and Rice had linked up. Maybe it was Rice all along?

I saw him play a lot throughout his career. (In same conference as my alma mater University of Houston).He's good. He'll make the contested catches, but he's not going to run away from folks on a regular basis. He had a really good season last year. He's a lot like Juju. I think that's why they drafted him.

What if they tried to trade up for Johnson or Flowers but couldn’t because of how cost prohibitive it was? Or because the teams that took them were in the AFC and unwilling to trade with Veach.

Beckham Jr did both but he is only 5'11" but plays more like 6'3". How many times do you remember him coming down with shitty Eli Manning throws?

When you look at Rice's RAS, and particularly his 'explosion' grades, you see that he's got a HUGE vertical. He can really go up and get it. And you see that on the tape. This is the element of his game that reminds me so much of Dhop, and the body control is really special. He's a 4.5 guy, not a burner, so if you're conditioned to lust for Hill-style WR's, you're not going to be thrilled.

Now, if you want to argue that maybe he relies on that too much, sure, that may be. But if he's singled covered, you can pretty much throw it to him high and he's going to come down with it. How frustrating has it been to watch Higgins and Chase do that to us for the last few years?

As a Juju comp, I'd say they can do similar things, although the '22 version of Juju is much, much slower and less explosive due to the constant knee thing and prior injuries. I think that's why KC let him go. He wasn't a guy that could afford to slow down much at all and still be effective. He was getting by on smarts and technique at this point.

Watching a bit of highlights , he comes down with a lot of bad prayer balls , and he looked like he was running with an injury something in his gait , maybe just seeing things . If he can get open vs man even if it’s just 5-7 yards down field and catches the ball I’m good .

I think he played with a toe injury last year. I could be wrong.

He played on a broken toe. Good eye.

He’s coming from a smaller school so it’ll probably be an adjustment period. Doubt we get much from him this year with the vets in front of him but should be a good long term play

145th out of 3062 NFL athletes.

That's pretty damn good.

Flowers reminded me of Golden Tate. Nice player but not worth a trade up for.

Johnston gave me Shenault vibes.

I think Flowers is more explosive than that. I see him as more a Toney-type.

agree on Johnston. I don't see that as a first rounder. Just my opinion.

Rice I fell in love with early in the process. I just see Deandre Hopkins when I watch his tape.

Seriously we are going to have to start getting used to not focusing on 40 times, Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62. I bet Juju if he did a 40 last season would be high 4.5s. It doesn't make you a great WR alone

It’s all about route running my man.

Imagine how dangerous Renfrow would be if he had a legit QB. He’s so ****ing underrated.

Flowers is electric with the ball in his hands. His ability to get open on his own not comparable to Toney, IMO.

He reminds us all of DeAndre Hopkins on the deep balls but when he does the screens and intermediate stuff, I feel like I’m seeing Brandon Aiyuk

Well, that's a nice blend of talent. I'll take it.

Physically, he's like a clone of Aiyuk.

Nearly of Hopkins as well.

If you wanted Johnston like myself, Rice is a really nice consolation prize.

Like Johnston, he just really compliments Toney and Moore perfectly, and I'm excited to see those 3 grow into a potentially great trio.

From watching all videos I could find, other than looking slower than his 40 time, it's the lack of separation that concerns me. Making contested catches is great, but if you can't separate from college DBs, you certainly aren't going to separate from NFL DBs, and it won't be as easy to make those contested catches.

Just from watching what's available online, it seems like Mims would fit the offense better. He is more explosive, and even though he is smaller than Rice, he seems to be more physical with defenders, and creates separation and space, and then makes big plays.

Rice doesn't seem very explosive after the catch. Again, I like Rice, and I hope Mahomes is right about him. But, if they think Toney can really be the WR1, why wouldn't you want to add another receiver with the same type of skills?

When it's all said and done, we still have the best QB on the planet, and he made Albert Wilson and Wrong Way Robinson look like good receivers, so as long as Rice learns the offense quicker than Skyy Moore, Rice should have a nice rookie season.

Here's my opinion on the matter and what I'm going to say is no disrespect to you.

When we sit here and breakdown how he looks "on tape"...we're going off of highlight videos. We're not watching game tape of every single one of his games. We're also doing it through the lense of a fan. Veach, and his scouts, do this for a living. Does that mean that they're perfect? No. But they're a hell of a lot more experienced than anyone on this board.

They also get the opportunity to talk to his coaches and to sit down with him. They get the chance to have him diagnose plays and coverages. Pick his brain on what happened during certain plays.

So when people come in here and instantly go with "yeah well this guy would have been better" or "this guy was right there and we passed on him"....they're talking out their ass. They're looking at a 3 minute highlight video, or a write-up by a "draft expert" and basing it off of that. They don't know shit about how that player would fit into this offense.

Flowers is way better than that in my opinion. My favorite receiver in the draft and it isn't close

This me.

All the things you wanted from Johnston (big WR with YAC ability, ability to win down the field in contested spots), Rice can do. You can make an excellent case that while Rice is 2" smaller and a 0.05 tick slower in the 40, Rice is a better 1x1 downfield receiving threat because of his vertical, strong hands, and demonstrated ability to win contested catches.

I think Rice will be better than Moore, thoughts?

We've been given every indication that he should be, yes.

He also could be the same guy.

My guess is that he'll be better than Skyy. Possible true WR2 type.

This is awesome. Veach wanted him from the get go

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;The gameplan today is to get an SMU wideout.&quot;<br><br>Always had our eye on <a href="https://twitter.com/RiceRashee11?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RiceRashee11</a> �� <a href="https://t.co/9qc10F9kBb">pic.twitter.com/9qc10F9kBb</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1652788415555936261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's always fun just to see the reactions from these kids when they get drafted.

Thank you for this. I was trying to think about how I was going to frame a similar post about how we as fans determine whether a player is good or not. We see some games, some highlights, and we either know their name or we don't. That's certainly some of the equation, but it's nowhere NEAR all of it. The interviews are so important in figuring out how the guy might fit into our program. Pat was PFF's #29 player headed into the 2017 NFL Draft. Why was he so low when they have access to AND evaluate all of the tape? What they don't have is access to those interviews and interactive film sessions that might comprise as much as 50% of the evaluation.

Gonna be #4?

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4 for the 4 WRs that everybody was upset we didn't get in the 1st round that he will make us all forget about.

Dang, didn't even let Chad Henne's body cool down before they up and gave his number away.

Looks like it was his HS number at Richland

His number is the number of TDs he will average per game for his career

It's kinda cool to see someone be thar legitimately excited like we were his top place.

I mean shit, every single receiver in this draft had the catching passes for a game winning touchdown from Mahomes fantasy go through their head at least once.

What makes it even greater is Clark's reaction to his new player saying YOOOOOO and YESSSSIR. He is awkwardly trying to find the right words to respond with.