Nice interceptions the other night. When you look at him, and imagine him not playing football, he doesn't look too bright.

IMO...Rams have a stacked interior but their pass rushers arent really special. It's why they kicked the tires on Mack...Wade needs great edge rusher for his scheme to work like it did in Denver.

Peters cant handle Mahomes...it's been well documented from practice reports

Goff is a terrible long ball passer...I wasn't terribly impressed with him on Monday night.

Gruden threw Carr under the bus, lol.

Yep, pretty much calling him a coward for not throwing the deep ball to Cooper.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...or-derek-carr/

“You look at the film we had him open — wide open — deep, we didn’t go there,” Gruden told reporters on Wednesday. “He was open a couple times, and for whatever reason, we didn’t go that route.”

For whatever reason, we didn’t go that route.

Will someone get this goddamned Tigger off my lawn, please?

Never been impressed by Carr.

i feel like it may be necessary for a thread that declares: i was wrong, when it comes to carr.

i'd be one of em :D

Where’s the evolution in Carr’s game? More times than not, Marcus Peters has gotten the better of him. I think guys who have played against Carr enough times have figured out his tendencies and he hasn’t been able to adjust.

We are already in phase 2 of Gruden, my plays are great, my QB sucks.

He spent about his whole Tampa tenure in that phase.

He spent most of his time in Tampa creating cliques and when he wasn't publicly chastising players, he was cutting them down behind their backs in private.

The guy's a shit disturber and faux genius coasting off his laurels. In essence, he's Mike Shanahan 2.0.

I never thought I would say this, but I'm starting to feel kind of sorry for Carr.

Bringing Gruden into the Faiders franchise is similar to hiring Stonewall Jackson to supervise the crazy farm. I'll bet DJ thinks he's in a fever dream by now.

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Carr has a bit of lazy footwork. Seems to be like a combo of Jay Cutler and someone like Randall Cunningham in the way he throws the ball. Opposite of Brady.

I feel more sorry for gruden. Only took 1 game to figure out the QB tied to his success is no bueno.

He threw Carr under the bus with his facial expressions during the game. I've never seen anything like it before.

It was after that play where Derek threw the ball away in a clean pocket. They panned to Gruden and he was shaking his head in disgust. Like....daaaaaaamn.

Jon Gruden wishes he had Pat Mahomes.

thats a good point......I dont really have any argument against that except I really assume that is an exception..but I could be wrong. In my life and my experiences, strong competition makes you a better player.....But Brady just may be some ungodly / inhuman rare exception like him turning JAG wr's into studs year after year

That game will be tough. The Rams don't have anything at edge rusher, so that will help. But can our interior OL hold up against Donald and Suh? The pocket will collapse quickly and Mahomes will be trying to complete passes against Peters and Talib. I really hope that he beats Peters for a TD or 2, but I'm afraid that Peters may end up with a pick instead.

I'll take a game against Suh and Donald over the matchup with the Broncos defense.

Suh and Donald can make things uncomfortable for a quarterback; shoving pockets back and giving him no room to operate. They really can make it very difficult to operate effectively.

Von Miller/Bradley Chubb can get the kid hurt. Bosa/Ingram is similarly intimidating.

A large man pushing through three people and falling on our QB is one thing. A remarkably fast man blasting around one person and driving through our quarterback is another thing entirely.

The disruption to your offense as a general rule is probably greater with the former but the latter can yield that one play that ruins your season.

No doubt about it. I bet he also wishes he could go back in time and turn down his current job to stay in that low stress TV job.

Copy paste from somewhere else, but holy shit... Carr doesn't have a chance.

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/oakl...carr?ls=pftvod

Simms was asked about how it was like to be under Gruden's coaching just now on ProFootball Talk. He opens up on how Gruden feels that the QB is accountable and responsible for all mistakes.

An example is when a center missed the handle off the ball and sent it between Simms' legs which resulted in Simms being thrown out of the play. Simms yelled at Gruden "What the ****!?".

Another story Simms tells is when he was next door in a staff meeting and Gruden was trashing Simms. The walls were paper thin and he could hear Gruden say "If our QB only threw it here or if he wasn't so stupid..etc".

Simms would then see Gruden after the meeting in the hallway with a tense moment with Gruden knowing that Simms heard him but Gruden not caring.

Simms seemed very emotional during the segment, even with Florio trying to lighten things up.

KC will sweep Oakland/LV...

The Raiders won't pose any appreciable threat other than occasionally playing spoiler for as long as Gruden is there.

They've taken their rightful spot at the bottom of the division. They'll be an interesting gambling novelty for a bit in Las Vegas and the lack of state income tax may get a few players interested in playing there, but they will have a similar problem the Chargers will have - they're going to be playing in a destination city where opposing fans will take over that stadium to make a weekend out of it anytime Raiders fans don't fill the place.

Well Chucky scowling while the 'franchise QB' that cost them Khalil Mack is turtling due to phantom pressure ain't gonna fill those seats.

Yeah, well, Simms is know it all gigantic pussy

Gruden was right; Carr missed over and over.

Or if Sutton drops everyone in coverage again and gifts Carr time to wipe his pussy dry.

Gruden's first year couldn’t have started off any worse. What an abomination.

Yeah, Carr was ****ing abysmal. Doesn't change the fact that Grudens abrasive coaching style is probably going to make things worse for Carr. He looked mentally shook in that 2nd half and I'd bet a good portion of that was Gruden.

Has Gruden had any success without inheriting a bunch of good players? He wasn't great in TB once that HoF defense started to age and retire.

Mahomes is the next Aaron Rodgers. The Raiders, Broncos and Chargers are all pretty much FUBAR for the forseable future. AND I don't have to listen to Gruden on TV anymore.

I need to go find the nearest hot girl to have sex with because I'm pretty sure I'll be waking up any minute now.

Gruden is a Trojan horse working for Reid.

What the media isn’t talking about is how they had all off-season to prepare for this game. Carr was an abortion. Gruden is some “QB guru” and Carr looks the same Alex Smith in the pocket QB he’s been since 2017. Just pressure him and he’s done. What a pussy.


All off-season and they couldn’t have looked worse. Jesus, KC in their first game looked creative and good offensively.

Don’t even have to pressure him. He seems to feel phantom pressure in clean pocket these days. I think the injuries have turned him into a head case.

To be fair, a lot of teams look bad offensively, but yeah. "QB guru". Everyone spouting that bullshit didn't watch him coach Tampa.

Gruden is a good schemer but is horrible in developing QBs.

Yet he ran the "QB Camp" for several years...lol

He looks much worse than Smith. He looks like his brother did. Once they get like that, it's hard to coach it out of them.

He doesn't "****ing suck", he's just slightly above average. Got a terrible WAR

Where are you getting this from? According to Over The Cap they'll have 65 mil next year and 124 mil the year after. They couldnt keep Mack because Gruden is a dumbass.

Gruden's scheme is antiquated. He was a decent enough WCO guy twenty years ago, but that scheme is dead and buried. Gruden could make a bad qb average with a conservative scheme 15 years ago. That scheme doesn't make good QBs great, and he's not a creative enough mind to step outside the scheme.

You don’t think that they would have re-signed Mack if they didn’t have Carr’s contract?

I think that’s fairly obvious.

Perhaps not, Mr. staylor26.

What the faiders are doing is a mystery wrapped in an enigma stuffed in Mark Davis' underdrawers.

They are saying, "We couldn't afford Mack." but that doesn't make a ton of sense based on their overall cap situation (as I understand it). Perhaps it was the down-stroke and guaranteed money that scared them away from the table. That might make sense given that the faiders aren't the most well-financed team in the league from an ownership perspective.

Then there is the theory that Gruden came in and doesn't really give two damns about their existing roster and is planning to rebuild the entire thing from the ground up. If so, that means Carr is on borrowed time, too. Gruden wrote the book on ego and bought the first signed copy.

It is truly a weird deal over there right now. My expectation is that things are just going to get weirder when the entire team rolls out the bowl cuts in a few weeks.

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Carr would have been damn good if he was with Andy. Just look at how much better Patrick Mahomes has gotten compared to this time last year?

The problem with Carr is that he’s been terribly coached from the very beginning and is now permanently set in his ways. It would be one hell of a reclamation project to change him at this point.

That’s why Mahomes should thank the football gods for placing him with Andy Reid.

:D

This is very truthy.

I mentioned in another post that I'm beginning to feel kind of sorry for Carr. He has the basic skillset; that is clear to most people. I think that, at this point, his confidence is probably shot to hell (or very close to it). Gruden isn't going to do him any favors in that department, either.

In a way, it's a story similar to AS11's run in SF. I'm not sure if Carr has the moxie to work his way into a meaningful career at this point, though.

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That is a very eloquent and pointed analysis.

Derek is looking like his brother. He came out of the gate looking sorta good then slowly he started wallowing in the crap till the turd swallowed him up. They both had offensive lines that didnt seem to want to block for him and they both hold onto the ball to long and rarely step into a pocket. The O -line probably hated them.

Yeah he looks like David. Brings his eyes down and panics under pressure. Dude does not trust his line.

Gruden being a QB guru is laughable

He can scout them well enough, I guess, but actually developing? LMAO

That's true, he is fortunate to end up with a great QB coach. But it's also amazing there were 10 teams that didn't want him, including Buffalo that traded out of the spot. The fact Jared Goff flopped from the Air Raid in 2016 probably helped teams shy away from Mahomes, so that was a blessing for Pat.

The kid has insane talent and has always had insane talent. He should have been the #1 pick. Bunch of knuckleheads in the front offices around the NFL, but then again I guess that's how you earn your spot in the Top 10 of the Draft to begin with. Suck hard enough and you get a high pick in the Draft.

Again cap space isnt the issue. I dont think they wouldn't have traded Mack had they not gotten TWO FIRST round picks.

It also helped he had 2 HOF WRs and a Pro Bowl QB but I agree **** the WCO.

Gruden like Shanny were great coaches in their day but the league has changed. Hell not even a guy like Marty would be successful in today's NFL.

The WCO is still a good Offense, if you have some imaginative play design and some great athletes that can turn smaller plays into some huge ones.

Andy is among the best when it comes to play design and having a player like Tyreek Hill goes a long way. It's a little bit different when your design is a bit stale and you've got an old Jordy Nelson and a lazy Amari Cooper as your guys.

Who runs a traditional wco that works? All of Reids guys sans McDemorrt run some variations. Weve seen how well the traditional has worked in Buffalo and Oakland this far.

As far as college I couldnt tell you who runs a traditional WCO that works. Callahan and Riley ran it at Nebraska it failed miserably and they were bringing in top 25 classes.

Everything is so mushed now.

15 years ago you could say the 3 main offenses were the Coryell offense (the real WCO. Gilman, Al Davis ect) the Walsh offense (known as the WCO thanks to fake news) and the Erhardt-Perkins offense (popularly used by Brady and Manning).

Now it's all mushed together. Everyone runs concepts from other offenses, plucks concepts from college, ect. Not many people running any purist forms of any of them. Well, not anyone having success.

At this point the biggest difference between, say, a WCO and a Coryell offense is how the play terminology works.

Everyone uses concepts from other offenses. Aspects of the WCO are STAPLES of every offense in the NFL, but the playcall probably has a different name.

No kidding. Old and slow RBs, WRs that suck or are lazy and taken out of games and a QB who sees ghosts in the pocket

did someone say something? :D

Still sucks

i suspect derek has been listening to too many ideas from david. he needs to disown him before its too late. :thumb:

18/19 vs the Donks defense.

Has to be irritating to be a Donks fan at the game & not being able to say “IN-COM-PLETE”

Carr 21/22

Carr looking like Patty light today.

Carr 22/23

How bad is the Donk defense?

I'm not watching but that's pretty impressive. Lot of dink and dunk passes I assume. Smart strategy against the Broncos pass rush.

Carr 24/26

https://i0.wp.com/i.pinimg.com/236x/...-carr-nfl-.jpg

wrist tattoo

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

What did he end up with other than a loss?

90% completions dink and dunk...for a loss. LOL

Rich Gannon he ain't

Gruden gonna Gruden. As per his MO, Gruden abandoned the game plan and went full regard at the end of the game. Carr diced up the So no D all game, including some shots down the field, but Gruden went full Marty and tried to run out the clock even after it was clear it wasn't going to work.

TLDR Carr flashed his old form, and Gruden ran the ball at the end instead of sticking with the hot hand.

Carr had a pretty good game...except the whole losing thing...

Even with putting up over 100 yards today, I can't help but just say 'meh' when I watch Amari Cooper run routes.

Dude arguably lost the game for them by not running the play clock down before he snapped the ball.....

Be interesting to see who Gruden throws under the bus in the media this week.

Yep. At one point he snapped the ball with over 10 seconds left on the play clock. It was maddening.

Gruden called a stupid TO stopping the clock and then opted not to kick the FG......

He did it several plays. Had he ran the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds and the snapped it they get 1 play on the other side of the 2 min warning and Denver has about 25-30 seconds less time.