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T-post Tom 06-22-2017 03:28 PM

Petro at 810 reporting that Clark did an organizational evaluation from top to bottom ... and Dorsey did not merit a new deal. New GM will not be announced by Chiefs until training camp starts.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief (Post 12926994)

Doesn't jive.

O.city 06-22-2017 03:28 PM

Scot mcgloughlan (sp?) be an option I'd like

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief (Post 12926994)

I don't by that at all. They have been friends for 20 years

FloridaMan88 06-22-2017 03:29 PM

Maybe Clark saw the Maclin situation as the "last straw" in Dorsey's ineffectiveness in managing the salary cap... the fact the Chiefs didn't have enough salary cap room to sign their draft picks and that Dorsey was unable to create additional salary cap room earlier in the offseason by trading Maclin or making other moves... which prompted the sudden/messy move to release Maclin.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:29 PM

Per Ian Rapoport

#Chiefs structure won't change: Owner Clark Hunt will interview GM candidates -- internal and external -- and the person will report to Hunt

dirk digler 06-22-2017 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 12927000)
Petro at 810 reporting that Clark did an organizational evaluation from top to bottom ... and Dorsey did not merit a new deal. New GM will not be announced by Chiefs until training camp starts.

Then Clark is a moron.

God of Thunder 06-22-2017 03:30 PM

I'd like to see Ernie McCracken.

pugsnotdrugs19 06-22-2017 03:30 PM

Clark said that he told Dorsey today that 2017 would be his final year here-- then they decided it would be best to part ways now (which it is).

Don't know who to believe here. I think its probably a mix of the GB/Dorsey reports and his contract management. The Mahomes theories are ignorant.

thabear04 06-22-2017 03:30 PM

Well so much in Dorsey we trust.

007 06-22-2017 03:31 PM

Well, this is shitty news to wake up to.

srvy 06-22-2017 03:33 PM

Welp Dorsey was packing on some lbs Chunt couldn't afford to keep Reid and Dorsey in KC BBQ and keep his Island in Bali.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:33 PM

On the bright side we have Reid for probably another 5 years. He will be here when Mahomes takes us to the promiseand and wins us a super bowl

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:33 PM

My gut feeling is that this is all about the cap dollars that were spent. Clark probably viewed Dorsey as not handling his money responsibly enough.

Nothing else really seems to jive all things considered.

threebag 06-22-2017 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12926996)
Only way there'd be tension is if Mahomes looked like a complete bust in camp.

Maybe the first look pick 6 sealed it.

bowener 06-22-2017 03:34 PM

So it came down to piss poor management of the cap?

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 12927019)
So it came down to piss poor management of the cap?

That and the rumors of him wanting to go back to Green Bay

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12927002)
Scot mcgloughlan (sp?) be an option I'd like

He's a drunk

raybec 4 06-22-2017 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 12927019)
So it came down to piss poor management of the cap?

No one really knows on CP but if that's true it makes some sense.

tk13 06-22-2017 03:37 PM

There's obviously something more to it than what's on the surface. I always thought Dorsey would take the Packer job in a second, but that can't be solely it. We are one month away from training camp. The offseason is essentially over. When is the last time a GM got fired at this point in a season? In any sport? Not to mention one as accomplished as Dorsey.

TribalElder 06-22-2017 03:37 PM

Oh **** what the hell

Iowanian 06-22-2017 03:38 PM

Great News Chief fans....parking and ticket prices are only increasing 20% this season.

O.city 06-22-2017 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927023)
He's a drunk

Ah that's redskins propaganda

Marcellus 06-22-2017 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 12926991)
This is why our GMs never draft first round QBs. Penalty is swift termination.

I literally LOL'd at this one.

TribalElder 06-22-2017 03:39 PM

Nothing like breaking up good work chemistry

kcpasco 06-22-2017 03:39 PM

He must have nailed Clark's trophy wife

Sure-Oz 06-22-2017 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12927025)
There's obviously something more to it than what's on the surface. I always thought Dorsey would take the Packer job in a second, but that can't be solely it. We are one month away from training camp. The offseason is essentially over. When is the last time a GM got fired at this point in a season? In any sport? Not to mention one as accomplished as Dorsey.

A winning gm especially. Never ...Dorsey would want GB I'm curious what comes out. Makes no sense to draft the QB and lose Ballard for this to happen

TribalElder 06-22-2017 03:40 PM

Andy should quit out of spite LMAO

T-post Tom 06-22-2017 03:41 PM

http://prod.static.chiefs.clubs.nfl....um_540_360.jpg

http://www.chiefs.com/assets/images/...rticle-Pic.jpg

http://offtherecordsports.com/wp-con...aalCharles.jpg

https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/20...emy-maclin.jpg

New World Order 06-22-2017 03:41 PM

So I guess Reid did have the final say in draft choices.

raybec 4 06-22-2017 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927023)
He's a drunk

You have to be a pretty shitty drunk to draft Wilson, Chancellor, Sherman and Thomas and get fired. That's get naked at the Christmas party drunk.

TribalElder 06-22-2017 03:42 PM

Dorsey should have fired the clarks

petegz28 06-22-2017 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12927017)
My gut feeling is that this is all about the cap dollars that were spent. Clark probably viewed Dorsey as not handling his money responsibly enough.

Nothing else really seems to jive all things considered.

I'm gonna go with this. Not to mention he just cut our #1 WR without anything of a replacement. I mean, we know Maclin had an inury issue with what is now known to be a torn groin. Dorsey should have been active in doing something about making sure a 5'9" speedster didn't become our #1.

raybec 4 06-22-2017 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12927030)
Ah that's redskins propaganda

The Seahawks and the 9ers fired him for being el borrachon too.

Granslamwhich 06-22-2017 03:43 PM

The big bang
 
Maybe Dorsey was ****ing Hunt's wife

staylor26 06-22-2017 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12927037)
So I guess Reid did have the final say in draft choices.

No he didn't

Halfcan 06-22-2017 03:44 PM

Maybe this story ties into Dorsey leaving? :hmmm:

In a hidden room in a John Dorsey's office at One Arrowhead Lane, police believe they have found the biggest collection of Nazi artifacts in the country's history, including a bust relief of Adolf Hitler, magnifying glasses inside elegant boxes with swastikas and even a macabre medical device used to measure head size.

Some 75 objects were found in a collector's home in Beccar, a suburb north of Buenos Aires, and authorities say they suspect they are originals that belonged to high-ranking Nazis in Germany during World War II.

"Our first investigations indicate that these are original pieces," Chief's Security Minister Patricia Bullrich told The Associated Press on Monday, saying that some pieces were accompanied by old photographs. "This is a way to commercialize them, showing that they were used by Pioli. There are photos of him with the objects."

Among the disturbing items were toys that Bullrich said would have been used to indoctrinate children, a large statue of the Nazi Eagle above a swastika, a Nazi hourglass and a box of harmonicas.

Police say one of the most-compelling pieces of evidence of the historical importance of the find is a photo negative of Hitler holding a magnifying glass similar to those found in the boxes.

"We have turned to historians and they've told us it is the original magnifying glass" that Hitler was using, said Nestor Roncaglia, head of Argentina's federal police. "We are reaching out to international experts to deepen" the investigation.

The photograph was not released to the public, but was shown to The Associated Press on the condition that it not be published.

The investigation that culminated in the discovery of the collection began when authorities found artworks of illicit origin in a gallery in north Buenos Aires.

Agents with the international police force Interpol began following the collector and with a judicial order raided Dorsey's office on June 8. A large bookshelf caught their attention and behind it agents found a hidden passageway to a room filled with Nazi imagery.

"There are no precedents for a find like this. Pieces are stolen or are imitations. But this is original and we have to get to the bottom of it," said Roncaglia.

Police are trying to determine how the artifacts entered Arrowhead.

The main hypothesis among investigators and members of the Chiefs Jewish community is that they were brought to Kansas City through Argentina by a high-ranking Nazi or Nazis after World War II, when the South American country became a refuge for fleeing war criminals, including some of the best known.

As leading members of Hitler's Third Reich were put on trial for war crimes, Josef Mengele fled to Argentina and lived in Buenos Aires for a decade. He moved to Paraguay after Israeli Mossad agents captured Holocaust mastermind Adolf Eichmann, who was also living in Buenos Aires. Mengele later died in Brazil in 1979 while swimming in a beach in the town of Bertioga.

While police in Argentina did not name any high-ranking Nazis to whom the objects might have originally belonged, Bullrich noted there were medical devices.

"There are objects to measure heads that was the logic of the Aryan race," she said.

Ariel Cohen Sabban, president of the DAIA, a political umbrella for Argentina's Jewish institutes, called the find "unheard of" in Argentina.

"Finding 75 original pieces is historic and could offer irrefutable proof of the presence of top leaders who escaped from Nazi Germany, and could be the reason the Chiefs and Dorsey parted ways" Cohen told the AP

petegz28 06-22-2017 03:45 PM

It isn't like Dorsey didn't produce. 3 playoff appearances, 1st playoff win in 20 years, and this year we have the most prime time games. Short of winning the SB, the guy elevated the team in several ways.

TribalElder 06-22-2017 03:45 PM

They almost tricked me into tickets too ROFL

plane banner for the clarks to go would probably result in the team moving and arrowhead becoming a soccer stadium

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 12927000)
Petro at 810 reporting that Clark did an organizational evaluation from top to bottom ... and Dorsey did not merit a new deal. New GM will not be announced by Chiefs until training camp starts.

Well, I guess a case could be made for firing Dorsey but without any further knowledge, it seems like a stretch.

Bad Deals: Dunta Robinson, Anthony Fasano, Joe Mays, Vance Walker, Mike McGlynn (just a terrible siging), Dwayne Bowe, Ben Grubbs trade and subsequent bad contract. Hali extension after eating $4 million in cap money, Jaye Howard contract extension, overpaying Maclin and cutting him after Year 2.

Waiting too long to extend (and yes, it's a two way street but it did occur this way): Justin Houston, Eric Berry.

Wasted Draft Picks: KeiVarie Russell (3rd rounder, 2016), a 3rd & a 6th for Tampering with Maclin.

BlackOp 06-22-2017 03:46 PM

Dorsey was going to eventually head to GB...and Hunt didn't want to extend him knowing that.

That makes the most sense...

or that Dorsey is a great scout and shitty GM. He gets a lot of credit for the success of KC's recent drafts but how much of that was solely his doing?

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12927030)
Ah that's redskins propaganda

No, he's checked into rehab several times

New World Order 06-22-2017 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12927045)
No he didn't




Reid’s agent, Bob LaMonte told USA Today’s Jarrett Bell that Reid’s new five-year contract gives Reid control over all football operations.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-kc-personnel/

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:46 PM

If Clark honestly thinks he can do better, then he has the biggest balls in the league.

Clark Hunt: "Top 10 GM? Not good enough. I'm looking for #1. #1 or GTFO"

The Franchise 06-22-2017 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927051)
Well, I guess a case could be made for firing Dorsey but without any further knowledge, it seems like a stretch.

Bad Deals: Dunta Robinson, Anthony Fasano, Joe Mays, Vance Walker, Mike McGlynn (just a terrible siging), Dwayne Bowe, Ben Grubbs trade and subsequent bad contract. Hali extension after eating $4 million in cap money, Jaye Howard contract extension, overpaying Maclin and cutting him after Year 2.

Waiting too long to extend (and yes, it's a two way street but it did occur this way): Justin Houston, Eric Berry.

Wasted Draft Picks: KeiVarie Russell (3rd rounder, 2016), a 3rd & a 6th for Tampering with Maclin.

Pretty sure Reid tampered with Maclin....not Dorsey.

Halfcan 06-22-2017 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927049)
It isn't like Dorsey didn't produce. 3 playoff appearances, 1st playoff win in 20 years, and this year we have the most prime time games. Short of winning the SB, the guy elevated the team in several ways.

He definitely turned the team around. Whatever team gets him will be lucky.

DaWolf 06-22-2017 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927003)
I don't by that at all. They have been friends for 20 years

Things change when you work together. I guaruntee Reid doesn't sign this extension if Clark was going rogue and firing Reid's buddy. Reid is all in on this...

Marcellus 06-22-2017 03:47 PM

I dont like this at all but its worth seeing who replaces him before I lose my shit.

My guess is the Maclin fiasco and possibly not even offering for JC take a pay cut before releasing him was the deal breaker for Hunt.

JakeF 06-22-2017 03:48 PM

A dozen teams are already talking to Dorsey's agent.

Halfcan 06-22-2017 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12927055)
Reid’s agent, Bob LaMonte told USA Today’s Jarrett Bell that Reid’s new five-year contract gives Reid control over all football operations.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-kc-personnel/

And there it is.

New World Order 06-22-2017 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12927060)
I dont like this at all but its worth seeing who replaces him before I lose my shit.

My guess is the Maclin fiasco and possibly not even offering for JC take a pay cut before releasing him was the deal breaker for Hunt.


I don't think Andy wanted Dorsey here for some reason.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12927055)
Reid’s agent, Bob LaMonte told USA Today’s Jarrett Bell that Reid’s new five-year contract gives Reid control over all football operations.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-kc-personnel/

Good ****ing god, that was from 2013.

Clark Hunt has verified many times that Reid and Dorsey report to him separately.

ToxSocks 06-22-2017 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12927062)
And there it is.

It's an old article from when Reid was first hired....

hometeam 06-22-2017 03:49 PM

http://offline.hu/files/news_galleri...back-fail1.gif

TribalElder 06-22-2017 03:49 PM

Clark likely signed off on the $ for the deals

So...

I bet it is because we made a huge push to host the draft but didn't have a first round pick

staylor26 06-22-2017 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12927062)
And there it is.

This is from his first contract with the Chiefs

Which doesn't make sense to me because those weren't Reid's drafts. Those were clearly Dorsey's.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12927062)
And there it is.

An outdated and incorrect article from 2013.

Smoking Gun!

:facepalm:

JakeF 06-22-2017 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12927052)
Dorsey was going to eventually head to GB...and Hunt didn't want to extend him knowing that.

That makes the most sense...

If that was the case then Dorsey would have never left Green Bay in the first place.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12927062)
And there it is.

So Reid did want Mahomes!!!

Marcellus 06-22-2017 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12927055)
Reid’s agent, Bob LaMonte told USA Today’s Jarrett Bell that Reid’s new five-year contract gives Reid control over all football operations.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-kc-personnel/

Its already been reported Reid will not be the GM and that the new GM will report directly to Hunt so thats bullshit.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927072)
So Reid did want Mahomes!!!

:facepalm:

thabear04 06-22-2017 03:50 PM

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Among issues I've heard #Chiefs brass had with John Dorsey: Didn't get some big deals done early (e.g. Houston, Berry). Cost them more later

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12927071)
If that was the case then Dorsey would have never left Green Bay in the first place.

That's not true, at all.

Why would Dorsey decline the opportunity to run his own team before being elevated to the Green Bay GM position?

There were no guarantees that he'd be the successor to Thompson but after his work in KC, it seemed more likely than not that he would be the successor, if he chose to leave for Green Bay.

Dorsey's a proven GM and it'll be interesting to see where he lands.

Halfcan 06-22-2017 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927072)
So Reid did want Mahomes!!!

Of course, he did. Big Red was practically doing cartwheels after the draft. That was an amazing deal Dorsey / Andy pulled off moving in front of multiple teams. It had to be a joint decision.

InChiefsHeaven 06-22-2017 03:53 PM

Well, at the end of the day the coach coaches and the players play. I don't like this at all, but we'll never know what the hell actually happened.

I bet Reid wants to take a vacation. He's gonna get pounded next time he has a presser.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:53 PM

Clark has some balls!! **** it I'm looking for the #1 gm in the league. He's tired of being the one and done Chiefs. He won't stop until he finds a true #1 gm

Shaid 06-22-2017 03:53 PM

This is stupid as shit. Dorsey was an absolute beast. Stupidest ****ing move we've made in a long time.

petegz28 06-22-2017 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12927062)
And there it is.

Not shocking.....

Hammock Parties 06-22-2017 03:54 PM

Maybe Dorse was diddling Tavia.

JakeF 06-22-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 12927075)
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Among issues I've heard #Chiefs brass had with John Dorsey: Didn't get some big deals done early (e.g. Houston, Berry). Cost them more later

It's Dorsey's first time as a GM, what did they expect? He will improve at the GM part of the stuff, meanwhile, we had one of the best talent guys in the league.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:55 PM

This must be inticing for potential GMs

Something to remember #Chiefs fans...KC coming off 12-4 season, have short and long-term QBS, plus tons of talent. Top GM job in NFL now.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927082)
Not shocking.....

Except it's a bogus article from 2013.

READ the links, people.

staylor26 06-22-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927080)
Clark has some balls!! **** it I'm looking for the #1 gm in the league. He's tired of being the one and done Chiefs. He won't stop until he finds a true #1 gm

We arguably had the best GM in the NFL.

penbrook 06-22-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12927084)
It's Dorsey's first time as a GM, what did they expect? He will improve at the GM part of the stuff, meanwhile, we had one of the best talent guys in the league.

And was the worst gm in managing the cap

Halfcan 06-22-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 12927067)

ROFL

Hammock Parties 06-22-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12927073)
Its already been reported Reid will not be the GM and that the new GM will report directly to Hunt so thats bullshit.

He's not the GM. He just has power over the GM.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 03:56 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Amongst the Chiefs in-house GM candidates could be Mike Borgonzi. Profiles as a strong future GM with his pro and college background.</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/878002604671770625">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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penbrook 06-22-2017 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12927087)
We arguably had the best GM in the NFL.

Not true. His cap problems, signing players really late, releasing players like Charles and Maclin without offering pay cuts.

ChiefsCountry 06-22-2017 03:56 PM

Dorsey was shit with the cap. Really shitty at getting long term deals done. Shit with free agents. Average drafts. Could pluck waiver wire talent for the back end of the roster he was good at. Not that big of a deal to lose him. Reid is the big reason for the franchise turn around anyways.

DaWolf 06-22-2017 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927065)
Good ****ing god, that was from 2013.

Clark Hunt has verified many times that Reid and Dorsey report to him separately.

That's just corporate speak. I have no doubt that Reid didn't want to be into the every day personnel stuff and wanted a personnel guy to run the contract and scouting side. But you know the big decisions are all Andy Reid. Mahomes was Reid. Alex Smith was Reid. Maclin was Reid. Reid is going to step in when he feels he wants something...


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