If Watson, Trubisky, and Mahomes are all gone sooner than expected, then you might be right. I certainly don't like the idea of passing up on sure fire blue chip talent for Davis Webb or Deshone Kizer.

But, if they do decide to wait it out til round 3/4, they better make damn sure that they identify said QBs long term potential by the end of the season. If they don't have a true QBOTF identified by January, they almost HAVE to take one in next year's first round. Likely trading up while they are at it.

My Beavers beat Cal (w/Webb) last year. That alone should disqualify him.

Webb or Kizer can throw 15 TD's a season for 10% of Alex's salary. Pull the trigger

I don't know about 5 (think it was 3), but how about the year the Chiefs had the #1 overall pick. :banghead:

"To me, you get a guy in here and you coach. Reid said. “That’s what you do. If you have a quarterback, you coach him up. If you have a defensive lineman, you coach him up. If you have a wide receiver, etc. it doesn’t matter, that’s what you do. They’re not coming in made exactly for your offense or your defense necessarily.”

That says a lot. None of these guys are tailor fit prospects. It sounds crystal clear that they want a moldable QB with upside and tools to be a good QB. There's 4-5 of those guys this year.

He looked like the #1 pick when he had Stanley, Prosoise, and Fuller. You've seen what he's capable of... I think he'd be going to a much better situation than those other qbs you listed. The reality of our situation is you're not going to find a qb without red flags.

It doesn't ****ing matter.

Everyone in the entire football universe is saying that any team that wants a QB needs to trade up in front of the Chiefs and Texans.

we aren't getting any of the top 3 guys(tribusky,watson,mahomes)

Maybe Kizer is there because he's such a douchebag.

We aren't taking any of the 2nd tier guys in the 1st round.

So it's Kizer or nothing in the 1st.

I doubt the 2nd tier guys make it down to use in the 2nd either.

so we have maybe Dobbs or Kaaya later on for use


So that's it ... Kizer,Dobbs,Kaaya or some scrub later on.


Either this was all just a smokescreen or Dorsey should have just held a press conference announcing who he wanted to pick.

I swear to God Laz, you never cease to amaze me with your stellar outlook

Webb was told by more than 10 teams that he was a first rd talent. It's him or Kizer.

Fair enough, I was looking at Webb as a top of the 2nd guy.

So it's ...

Webb or Kizer in the 1st

Dobbs or Kaaya later on

Then it's Scrub time

That's what makes him the most scary of all. You need a QB that makes the team around him better, not a QB who's team makes him better. If you need a couple 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick in college just to be an okay QB, then that is very much worrisome.

I was very much on the Kizer train until I watched a bunch more of his games from 2016, then I promptly fell off. I think Kizer peaks in the 2nd round, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the 3rd.

Although I thought a season ago that Prescott was a marginal 1st round talent, teams ended up thinking he was a 3rd round guy. I think Prescott was a much better prospect.

I'm not sure a QB who divides or fragments a team is worth picking at all.

Look at Cutler, amazing physical talent but could never get the team moving in the same direction.

Maybe Kizer matures and changes but in what round is that worth the risk?

Still, rumors about Kizer but they are seeming to be more and more valid as time goes by.

Matt Miller was just on 610 AM radio and he talked about all the quarterbacks.

Kizer has been really bad in the interviews with teams from what he's heard. He's been labeled as pouty and not assertive.

Matt still thinks that Davis Webb would be very high on our board, but he also thinks that Watson could very well be available around our pick.

Looking more and more like Webb guys

:shrug:

Okay, I guess.

If they like him, there's a reason. And I don't actively dislike him. So I suppose I'd be fine with that.

Y'know, I think you're right.

You read about all the 'quarterback room' stuff and I do think Reid will love the kid. He puts so much emphasis on what they do to immerse themselves in the offense and the team that you have to figure that stuff with him showing up to film study with diagrams he put together and suggestions for the offense will just get Reid wet as hell.

And he has an above average arm and a great QB frame. There's quite a bit to like.

I think folks are onto something here; he seems like a nice compromise position between the balls or bust Mahomes and cerebral career backup Peterman.

I dunno...I feel like I should just bow out on QB conversation at this point as I can't come to any conclusions at all. I just keep spinning my wheels except I'm pretty sure I
know who I don't want at this point (and hell, even that I can't stick a flag in the ground on as I could probably be talked into Chad Kelly in the later rounds and I'm pretty sure I can't stand that guy).

It's exhausting thinking about all the possibilities at pick 27, especially considering the QB need. Just get a good damn player and I'll be happy.

I was actually wrong on Webb. I didn't like him at all a month ago.

Now I think he brings a lot to the table after learning more about him.

-captain for 2 different schools
-was named captain at Cal after 2 months
-elite body frame
-elite arm
-very smart
-very driven

Andy says he likes players who bring energy and that sounds like this kid. Senior Bowl MVP helps too. Dorsey loves Senior Bowl standouts

Ultimately, you guys are over thinking it. If you look at scouting reports pre-media circus.

All of the hyped QB'same had 2nd round grades. IMO, the run will start in the late teens to 20s.

You'll have teams believing to wait till the 2018 draft class because of that QB crop

This is not factoring draft day QB trades either

Not pissing on your parade, but the Senior Bowl GAME is designed to favour the offense. No blitzes, certain types of coverage need to be played, etc.
I think more evaluation stock is put into the practices leading up to the game. Webb looked good as did Peterman.

I just hope they get one in the first two rounds. Not Kizer under any circumstance. That kid got worse.

Maybe the Chiefs were leaking news about wanting Mahomes to divert attention away from Webb.

:shrug:

Pass rusher > WR > DT > QB

If Dorsey is trying to smokescreen in order to increase chances of getting in range to get someone, that's the priorities I'd bet he has.

This is definitely the more plausible explanation. I don't understand why this gets forgotten every month prior to the draft. Believe nothing that you read, when it comes to these rumors. It's all a manipulation. Why would any team show their hand?

Based on what?

The history of the Chiefs?

That's what he bases everything on :shrug:

Maclin being an expensive non factor through most of last year, Dee Ford's contract situation / Houston's injury history, Poe's departure...

810 just said they have heard that the Chiefs love Watson and believe he'll drop to their range so they can get him.

Also mentioned that they weren't worried about a 1st rd pick not contributing this year bc like last year the 2nd and 3rd rd's will have major talent available.

I saw something in twitter talking about teams with spots in the 53 open prior to the draft and such. I think u read it right that the Chiefs essentially have 49 of 53 spots solidified at this point.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I'll believe it till I see it

Then when you see it you won't believe it?

Staylor will look brilliant if they actually draft a QB. Personally I think were all going to be disappointed.

I can't express how disappointed I'd be if the first 1st round quarterback we draft in my entire adult life is a guy that can't throw appreciably harder than I can. But hey, he can run fast and 'HE'S A WINNER!!!!'

I'd rather have Foster or even Cunningham. I'd rather have Webb.

But it figures that we'll get a faster version of Alex Smith in here to replace Alex Smith. Tyrod Taylor, come on down!!!!

You act like this is the 1st time going through this, it's all bullshit until the draft pick is anounced.

I was making a joke because you said "I'll believe it till I see it" not "I won't believe it till I see it"

I never predicted that we'll draft a QB FTR. I'm just thinking there has to be one that they would take or even trade up for if they get into our range. I can see Reid liking any of the top 5 QB's. It's just a matter of who and whether they make it to our range.

To be honest I've actually prepared myself for them not to just because I don't want to be disappointed. I can't help but feel there's a damn good possibility that it happens though.

Meh.

I have tremendous faith in Dorsey and the Chiefs scouting department. If they think he's the guy, then i'll push all my chips in.

After all this jerking off, you guys will be watching the Chiefs draft defense, and they will pick up a backup off the FA market.

We're drafting a QB. I am holding out hope we actually draft one we intend to use as a starter in the near future.

A little part of me died when they passed on Carr and he turned out to be good.

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DJ,

I don't think the whole episode is there, but they have some of it up on the front page of ESPN.com right now.

It just has Watson, Kizer, and Trubisky in a 2:00 or so clip, but it is fairy interesting. I would like to see the whole show.

And FWIW, they have Watson's throwing at 53.5 instead of 49. Says he throws flat-footed.

Sounds like he could increase a bit with minimal improvements IMO.


I also found a Sports Science: Draft Combine Special is on ESPN2 Sunday night at 10:00 PM Central Time. Not sure if that is the show this comes from or not, but I am recording it anyway.

the only thing that matters is that we drafted a QB in the 1st round


people around here have been screaming it for years


If he sucks then we draft another one next year and the next and the next

Cleveland Chiefs

So you can throw the football 60 yards in the air? You can also throw the ball 40 yards while rolling to your right without resetting your feet?
I think you are exaggerating his weaknesses because you want someone different.

Busting on a first round QB is NOT going to tank the franchise you freaking drama queen.

Especially not with Dorsey and Reid running the show. We'll get our 9-7 season one way or another... don't you worry about a thing!

If we bust on this one you'll want to draft another in 2 years.

Never stops, which is exactly what Cleveland does.

I want a great QB too. I just don't subscribe to the notion of drafting one high in the draft just because people are tired of not taking one.

If the next one in two years is any good? If Dorsey and Reid firmly believe in the next one? Why the **** not?

This stupid ****ing franchise in the 2000s took like 8000 ****ing shots at defensive linemen in the 1st-3rd rounds. They kept missing and whiffing over and over and over and over and over again and kept using all of their quality draft stock on the position over and over and over and over and... well, you get my point.

They either said, "WE GOTTA KEEP TRYING UNTIL WE FIND A FRANCHISE DT" or they simply believed in the prospects they were drafting.

The same COULD be done with QBs. I prefer it FAR more that we spend those picks on QBs instead of DTs if we're going to keep trying over and over again to get a position right.

Chiefs DL drafted between 1st-3rd rounds, 2001-2009

3. Eric Downing (2001)
1. Ryan Sims (2002)
2. Eddie Freeman (2002)
2. Junior Siavii (2004)
1. Tamba Hali (2006)
2. Turk McBride (2007)
3. Tank Tyler (2007)
1. Glenn Dorsey (2008)
1. Tyson Jackson (2009)
3. Alex Magee (2009)

BUT DON'T YOU ****ING DARE SPEND 2 HIGH PICKS IN THE SPAN OF 3 DRAFTS ON THE QB POSITION! DON'T YOU DARE!

Bingo.


DL ISN'T RISKY LIKE QUARTERBACK, THOUGH. GOD FOR-****ING-BID WE DRAFT A QB BUST.

And Laz, I don't know how many ****ing times I have to pound this into your tiny brain.

The Browns suck enormous amounts of wastewater. That kind of franchise ineptitude isn't the result of drafting a few bust QBs every couple of years. That's the kind of ineptitude that's the result of just BAD ****ING DRAFTING.

Here's a list of all their 1st round picks in the past 8 years. Find for me all of the draft hits they've had.

Corey Coleman
Danny Shelton
Cameron Erving
Justin Gilbert
Johnny Manziel
Barkevious Mingo
Trent Richardson
Brandon Weeden
Phil Taylor
Joe Haden
Alex Mack
Joe Thomas
Brady Quinn
Kameron Wimbley

If the Browns could hit on 1/3 of those 1st rounders (and actually freaking keep them), they wouldn't be this ****ing terrible. Your sound strategy of building the team through the draft and getting the QB only when the time is right is only sound if you hit or at least don't bust on the majority of your 1st rounders. And you also have to draft well in the 2nd - 7th rounds, which, again, the Browns can't ****ing do.

In that span of bust QBs, the Browns have ALSO traded for a ton of backups, signed a bunch of free agents, and drafted their fair share of lottery ticket 4th-7th round QBs. They have tried ALL strategies of finding a QB.

They just ****ing suck. That's reality. They suck at EVERYTHING. They suck at drafting offense, defense. They suck at finding good head coaches, and they tend to fire guys who approach doing well. They suck at free agency. They suck at EVERYTHING.

That's why they suck. Not because they whiffed on a couple first round QBs. Do you REALLY think that if they did the responsible thing and drafted other positions besides QB with those whopping THREE 1st rounders in those 8 years that they'd be a rousing success story? Let's say they draft and HIT on those three picks with non-QB positions. Are you really telling me they'd be in the playoff hunt occasionally and be an otherwise respectable franchise?

Get the **** out with this, "HERP YOU WANNA DRAFT PROJECT QBS WHO BUST WELCOME TO CLEVELAND BROWNS TERRITORY CHIEFS FANS DERP"

It's ****ing stupid.

Oh, and this is my last comment.

Another draft strategy the Browns have tried a lot is when they get a top 5 or 10 pick in the 1st round and they need a QB, they trade DOWN and acquire lots of picks. It seems somewhat decent at first. If you have needs everywhere on the team, get some more spins at the wheel and try to find more quality players. It makes sense on paper.

But the Browns have used this strategy MULTIPLE times and whiffed on all of the times they've employed it.

What's interesting is that while they've diversified their QB strategies very well in that span, there is ONE QB draft strategy they seem to like more than the others. They tend to love the idea of trading down for picks, and then using picks to trade back into the first round to take the leftovers of the 1st rounders in a given QB draft class. That's how ALL THREE of their bust 1st round QBs were acquired in the last 8 years.

Guess what they haven't tried much of? Standing your ground when you get a high pick, and just ****ing drafting the best QB that comes to you with that selection.

They're the Browns, so I'm not saying that's going to be the solution to all of their problems. But it's something they haven't tried at all since Tim Couch. That's the only instance of them drafting a QB with a top 5 pick.

And the Browns have had PLENTY of top 5 picks since that 1999 draft.

Or, you know, they could also sign shitty free agent QBs and trade for backups like they've been doing for a long time as well. It hasn't been entirely all about the bust QBs.

I remember the SB commentators talking about how many players from the Browns were on the Patriots and Falcons rosters. I don't remember the number but it amazing at how many quality players the Browns did not, would not or could not retain.

Terez Paylor just released his 3rd mock and mocked us Tyus Bowser. Love this kids game, but would still like Webb first.

My god if we take a pussy ass shrimp ILB like Zach Cunningham over a QB or edge rusher with the talent there, I think that's grounds for outrage.

Fortunately Dorsey isn't stupid.

LMAO :clap: This is full of awesomeness!

Is there a big substantive difference between contintually drafting QBs and them turning out to be busts and continually trading for another team's backup and it ultimately being a bust?

Beyond regular season records and five playoff extra playoff appearances, there's not that much difference between KC and Cleveland, so....

That's about what I've been thinking too.

I have said the same many times. If you never win then title then your team is a loser. 47 years and no title is no better than and any other team that's in the same boat. Playoff games are worthless if you never break through and win a title even once.

We haven't won a home playoff game in we over 20 effing years and have been given numerous chances.

Man, they were 1-10 on those DL picks. That IS Browns bad. LMAO

Shitty free agents and trade for backups

That sounds familiar...

You're the biggest ****ing reerun on here.

Doing it just to say you did it is perfectly viable and justified at this point, and is in fact a more valid argument than ANY opposing viewpoint on the subject.
There is no reason to wait until next year.
None at all.

I don't get this logic. Who cares about controlling these guys. All that matters is getting the guy. If he turns out to be our savior, pay him.

The QB we have likely won't start for at least a year, maybe two. The benefit of drafting a QB is that rookie contract. You also don't want to be in a situation where you only have two years to decide on whether to give them a big second contract.

If you only have the 2nd rounder, you can end up like the Broncos did with Osweiler.

They ended up getting lucky and making the right call, because all the reports were that they were interested in giving him a multi-year deal worth 8-figures AAV and rolling with him as the starter... they just didn't anticipate he'd receive an offer as big as the Texans threw at him.

The fact that Elway wanted to keep him aboard as the starter means they thought he had it in him, but he didn't have enough time to evaluate if he was a TRUE starting QB in the longterm. It could have ended up burning Denver pretty hard if Osweiler was as good as Elway thought, or if they bit on the contract and he turned out like he did.

Then you might want to read up on the salary cap.

That extra year saves them like 15-ish million against the salary cap on a great QB for that 5th year.

Heck, nowadays it might save them 15 million for an above-average QB.


Not to mention that it gives you one more year to work with in case some injury or something messes with your evaluation time.

Shit $15 million gets a team Mike Glennon......

The league has gone to not caring what you've done to but what it cost by the need and position. A starting vet QB gets 15 mil at the lowest right now. Rookie QBs that are good like Carr are a luxury and lucky one to have. He will break the Raiders bank when his deal comes due. Cooper will be let go because the will have to pay Mack as well. No way they let

Bowser is the guy I want them to pick

Seattle, Oakland and Dallas really hit it big.

Mid round QBs that can play at a high level -right away- as rookies...that's good stuff.

Our kid would need to sit a year, but would also have that 5th year option over guys like them after being a 1st round pick.

So, esentially that's a wash...years wise. The team gets the player for 4 cheap years.

Carr was a 2nd round pick

He didn't say anything different

He plays more like a strong safety than a DE/OLB.


Whichever team selects him will have to send him to Chuck Smith for 6 months.

They chiwfs may very well want one of these qbs, but I'm wondering if they're trying to smoke some other teams to trade up in front of them to drop a certain player

I wish the espionage and smokescreens existed like you guys think ROFL

One thing that I could get behind if all of the good QB options go early...

1st Round - Reuben Foster, who it sounds like might completely fall out of the first round now..
and
2nd Round - Sidney Jones, arguably the top CB in the draft before his injury, would likely be able to play early in the season

That would load the defense up in a big, big way.

I loved the idea of Jones in the 2nd until I actually did it in the CP Mock for Denver.

There are so so SO many CBs in this draft that will be able to contribute on day 1 that I'd have a really hard time biting on Jones before the early 3rd. I might do it, don't get me wrong, but it's not a slam-dunk by any stretch. If someone like Quincy Wilson is there at the same spot (or another of the 5-6 CBs that will likely go in that range that could start for someone at some point next season), I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a guy that wasn't that twitchy to begin with and how's red-shirting with no guarantee of a full recovery.

Jones is more of a 3rd rounder to me at this point.

http://www.chiefsdigest.com/handicap...raft-position/

Handicapping the Chiefs 2017 draft by position

by Matt Derrick/ April 24, 2017

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Kansas City Chiefs have 10 selections to spend in the upcoming NFL draft, and that currency could go a long toward providing the missing element to help the team sustain a deep playoff run in 2017.

But how likely are the Chiefs to target different positions? Here’s a breakdown of how possibility the Chiefs target each group during this weekend’s draft:

QUARTERBACK: VERY HIGH
The Chiefs appear destined to select a quarterback during the draft with only the timing up for debate. Do the Chiefs use their stockpile of picks to move up in the first round, or do they hope the top tier QB of their choice falls to No. 27?

Perhaps the Chiefs use a second-round pick on a less praised quarterback, or instead uses a late-round developmental project. All options are on the table.

RUNNING BACK: HIGH
The 2017 draft is deep at running back, and an impact player in the backfield could spark the Chiefs offense. The team’s rushing attacked ranked in the middle of the pack last season. Even when the team steamrolled for a season-high 238 yards against Denver in week 15, Spencer Ware and Charcandrick West accounted for 97 yards on 27 rushes while wide receiver Tyreek hill and quarterback Alex Smith totaled 141 yards on 10 carries. The Chiefs can use depth at RB, but also may be in the market for a workhorse to carry the load.

FULLBACK: VERY LOW
Fullback Anthony Sherman signed a restructured contract last month to reduce his cap hit for the 2017 season. Cutting Sherman, still one of the top fullbacks in the league, would actually harm the team’s available cap space. Sherman stands eligible for free agency after the season, however, and the Chiefs may be in the market for a fullback among undrafted free agents for training camp.

WIDE RECEIVER: MEDIUM
Wide receiver is another position where teams cannot stockpile enough talent, but the Chiefs appear deep at the position for now. The team returns six receivers from last year’s team along with prospect Seantavius Jones. The Chiefs certainly want more receivers for training camp, and the team has shown interest in several receivers in the draft. Outside of a player with immediate impact ability, it’s hard to find an available roster spot in this group.

TIGHT END: LOW
The Chiefs are top heavy at tight end, with All-Pro Travis Kelce and three other returning tight ends. The team also added free agent Gavin Escobar to the mix. The team doesn’t necessarily need a tight end, but the team might be in the market for an upgrade, particularly for a blocking tight end.

OFFENSIVE LINE: LOW
The Chiefs remain very comfortable with their top six offensive linemen. Four of the teams starters are locked up long-term, including last year’s fouth-round pick Parker Ehinger who returns from a knee injury. The Chiefs also return swing tackle Jah Reid, and have a large group of veteran backups on the roster as well. Offensive line doesn’t appear to be an immediate or long-term need, but Dorsey has a history of finding overlooked gems late in the draft along the offensive line.

DEFENSIVE LINE: HIGH
The release of veteran Jaye Howard increases the likelihood the Chiefs target the defensive line during the draft. The Chiefs do not lack for bodies along the line — the team currently carries eight defensive lineman. But outside rising second-year player Chris Jones and veteran free agent Bennie Logan, the group has plenty of question marks. The Chiefs appear particularly light at depth at defensive tackle behind Logan.

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER: HIGH
General manager John Dorsey carries a reputation for drafting for future needs, and perhaps no longterm outlook on the roster remains more cloudy than who will rush the passer in 2018. The team has yet to make a decision on Dee Ford’s option year for next season at an approximate cost of $10 million. Tamba Hali remains under contract, but will be 34 next season with a cap hit of just $1.583 million to release. Justin Houston also has a potential contract out if the team must cut costs. The Chiefs certainly need depth at edge rusher, and Dorsey drafted Ford in 2014 when Houston’s future with the team hung in the balance.

INSIDE LINEBACKER: HIGH
Inside linebacker poses another opportunity for drafting for future need while providing insurance for the coming season. Derrick Johnson turns 35 this season and is recovering from his second ruptured Achilles injury. Ramik Wilson performed ably in Johnson’s absence, but Justin-March-Lillard missed much of the season with an injury. There are several high-impact inside linebackers who could go in the first and second rounds without as much value in the later rounds.

CORNERBACK: VERY HIGH
Dorsey ranks this year’s cornerback class as the deepest in 10 years. The Chiefs experience with injuries a year ago illustrated that you can never have to many guys that can cover. The team seems a lock to go cornerback at some point in the draft, and the depth of this year’s class creates value in the middle to late rounds when the Chiefs picks are bountiful.

SAFETY: VERY LOW
Safety may be among the team’s deepest positions with veterans Eric Berry, Ron Parker and Daniel Sorensen returning. The team also carries last year’s fourth-round pick Eric Murray. Safety doesn’t appear to be a significant position of need for 2017 or beyond.

KICKER: VERY LOW
The Chiefs recently re-signed the reliable Cairo Santos for the 2017 season. His cap hit of $1.797 million is reasonable for his production. Taking a chance on a rookie kicker poses risks for a team with lofty playoff ambitions.

PUNTER: LOW
Dustin Colquitt is in the final season of a five-year contract that makes him the highest-paid punter in the league. He carries a cap hit of $4.9 million, but saves $4.1 million if released. Colquitt also remains one of the top punters in the league and is a reliable kick holder as well. Replacing Colquitt this season is possible but not likely.

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Matt Derrick is the lead beat writer for ChiefsDigest.com.


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