Some people are acting like the Chiefs are starting 1982 Joe Montana.

Foles isn't special.

Yep, easily the worst throw of the season.

Didn't say that either, if you'd read my posts you'd realize.

Even in St. Louis, Foles was making plays. Just not enough due to lack of talent around him.

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Pump fake you say? Yes, it's amazing what you can do when you actually try!

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PURE ARM TALENT, BABY.

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Willingness to stand in and throw a strike.

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Also holy shit what a throw.

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This could be fun, guys. Quit actin' a Foles and kneel before your new King.

Jacksonville gives up the 8th fewest passing yards per game in the entire NFL. Where are people getting this idea that Jacksonville is some terrible defense that any QB should just shred?

They look pretty good when a real QB is backing them up with scores.

Nick Foles...makes your defense better.

I don't think Foles is a savior or the next coming of Montana/Brady whoever. But I do think he can be more effective with Kelce, Reek, Maclin, and Conley than Smiff has been.

They have talent on defense. Bortles is absolutely ****ing that offense though.

Jalen Ramsey has been a ****ing beast this year.

IMO, that's the whole point. You're right Foles isn't special. At all. So what if he comes in and out produces Alex? Or produces equally?

What does that say about Alex?

On Sunday we'll get a glimpse of truth. Either the system needs Alex, or Alex needs the system.

We'll start to get an idea if Alex is truly holding this offense back or not.

I praise thee, King Foles.

No we won't, because the Alex contingent will claim that Jacksonville has the worst defense in the history of the NFL.

Never mind that Alex has done jack and shit against defenses worse than JAX.

And what if he under performs?

I understand that some people have an irrational hatred of Alex Smith but the fact remains that the Chiefs are a consistent, winning organization and one of the best teams in the NFL with him under center.

The mere notion that some people can't even acknowledge that fact on Chiefsplanet is beyond ****ing stupid.

I just hope we win.

there are no shit defenses, that's a myth.

What will be funny is the same people who don't give Smith TBOTD, will award it to Foles.

This is why we are fans, and not coaches. Because most of things said here, wouldn't fly in a locker room.

Fans try to pit players against each other, on the same team.

It's juvenile.

yup

If anyone rational thought this was BECAUSE of Smith and not IN SPITE of him, you'd have a point.

When the Chiefs own broadcast crew makes comments about Foles opening up the offense and making the defense respect the entire field...

Everyone here thinks guys like Dilfer were carried by the defense, but refuse to acknowledge the same about Alex.

He's not garbage. But he's not winning shit that matters without an elite/very good defense.

Sweet. This is gonna be good.

Yet he had Maclin, Jordan Matthews, and many more in Philly but the organization was thrilled when they got to replace him with MARK SANCHEZ

Jesus Christ. Did you and hootie share the same bus to school?

If foles starts turning it over, the defense will struggle. It's not flashy, but Smith's play helps the defense

Clay with his first foles "not enough talent around him" cliche. It's a good day

Put dilfer's stats next to Alex before you put your stupidity on display.

Damn you are getting shut down in every single thread. So easy.

Look at the 4 years previous to Smith. And look at us now. Sports Illustrated and many other sites have us ranked in the Top 5 and that's considering we have the easier part of our schedule still left to play.

Smith is very good at what he does. Protects the ball, high % passes, low risk low reward unless someone takes it to the house or mKes a great play....

Sum Smith up is he isn't a play maker but he is a guy that will get the ball into play makers hands in hopes they mKe plays.

He is what he is. I compare him to Bernie Sanders...

We didn't ****ing trade for you.


You came uninvited

I picked up Foles for my QB bye week(Brady). If you need a RB also pick Chacan the man !!

Will be interesting to see how Andy calls plays this week. Will he challenge the JAG 2ndary going deep with the 'freak' and Mac or does he play it safe. I hope he opens it up letting Foles go deep. Will be fun and if Foles lights it up big time, Andy potentially creates QB controversy for himself. Smith knows Foles got game and why he came back into the game last Sunday IMHO. Nothing like competition.:D

Bullshit. I call bullshit here. There's a LOT of room between Smith and the most epic QB to ever have lived.

Smith is a boring game manager...who many feel doesn't make their players better...who many feel relies on too much to be able to have a chance to beat great teams in the playoffs...

people are acting excited....not because they think foles is joe Montana...that's horse shit. No one thinks that.

They're excited because he's NOT smith.

Theyre scared Foles is going to show up Alex "take no chances" Smith.

Dilfer was 20th in yards per game and 6th in TD per game in 2000.

Alex Smith will never come close to that.

Exactly why it's ****ing stupid.

It's the same small circle of people that have been slamming Smith since his arrival that want to see Foles, an average Joe at best, create a QB controversy so that Smith, the winning-est QB in recent Franchise history, serve as a back up because he doesn't score enough fantasy points.

It's ****ing stupid.

He doesn't score enough reality points, either.

That may or may not be....but you pretending that the reason people are excited about Foles is because they think he is Joe Cool is false.

I'm more concerned with hidden touchdowns...

Alexcuses by bald, hairy , crying homerbones

I'm just excited. It's just one game. BFD. It's against the jags. I applaud Smith for taking the week off from two concussions...

Hell be back in a week to u leash the horizontal check down game.

Enjoy the weekend see what happens.

**** yah. Anyone not excited can suck this red dick right down to the Homerbone while I do the tomahawk chop

Qb rating 76. 12 td's to 11 interceptions. 59% completion rate.

ROFL

The only reason people are excited about Foles is that they think there might be a chance he could elevate our passing game and offense to average or even above average levels. ROFL

His numbers were good enough for 20th and 6th in YPG and TDPG.

Non-Alex kind of rankings.

12 TD in 8 starts was a LOT of TDs in 2000.

I don't think we lose much with Foles.

I also don't think he's the franchise answer at the QB position.

CP is very good at making the backup QB a Pro-bowl QB (Yes I realize Foles has made the Pro Bowl before, it doesn't mean he's great).

CP is also very good at latching onto some mediocre players nuts and defending him like he has actually won something meaningful too...

2-5 record is considered good?

Foles is nice change of pace QB for a game...but Smith is 16-3 going back to the win streak. He just set the all-time Chiefs accuracy and all-time comeback record this season. Tough crowd. People are seriously devaluing him in hopes of the deep ball....by reading these threads, you would think they still have Cassel starting.

Smith is a better all-around QB...there is a reason Foles has been regulated to back-up status.

That bomb to Hill was a dying duck....as was his overthrow, for a sure TD, on the screen. Let's not anoint Foles the savior just yet...sheesh. Those were two horrible passes...

We're talking about Dilfer.

They guy who did something in 2000 that Alex Smith can't do in 2016.

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...e-b85f44e3d744

Update: Smith passed his imPACT test with the independent Neurologist today confirming again that he is NOT showing concussion symptoms despite 4 days of evaluations.

There's concern that the fluid buildup/hematomas around his ears from multiple games with blows to the helmet caused his brief dizziness. No nausea, vomiting, Loss of consciousness, posturing, muscle rigidity on review of the footage.

Leave the testing to the doctors, CP.

The people b*tching about Smith act as if the dude hasn't even been throwing passes 10 yards downfield.

Did the pass to Hill in the Saints game not happen? Or Maclin in the Raiders game? You're telling me he wouldn't have hit Hill on that wide open TD against Indy?

JFC. Passing yards are more important than wins to half of this board.

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Interesting.

Reid isn't going to sacrifice a game just to save Alex Smith. The plan will attack a bad jags defense. Like last game, it will be conservative with a few shots downfield.

Foles will do well against a bad jags defense. Alex will get his job back when he's ready. There is no controversy and Andy will make that clear.

Didn't you claim to really, really smart? Your irrational hatred towards Smith says otherwise....how you can obsess about him for three years and not self-evaluate your compulsive tendencies. Try reading a book...one without pictures...Carl Jung is a good place to start....or maybe take a walk.

He's near the bottom of the league in average depth of target once again.

HE is the reason our offense was 23rd in scoring going into Indy.

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If you've got time between now and Sunday when Foles makes his start, could you please kill yourself? That'd be lovely.

Bull ****ing shit.

You and Claynus can 69 each other all you want at the thought of Nick Foles under center but MOST people care whether or not the team is a consistent winner and playoff participant, not whether or not the QB "throws down field" or rakes up fantasy points.

You and every one of Clay's minions can all go and **** each other and yourselves.

Winning trumps all.

This. All day, every day.

... and **** you for making me agree with you, Dane. :p

This is about ACTUAL points.

The Chiefs offense was 23rd in ACTUAL points going into last weekend.

Nick Foles put ACTUAL points on the board.

He has a history of putting ACTUAL points on the board under Andy Reid.

You don't understand, you put someone under center and see if they 'have the huevos' to say **** it and chuck it.

If not, you start over.

There's only 7 1/2 billion people on earth. Somewhere among them is a good 4-5 guys who fit the mold. How long can it take?

Foles is not better than Smith...maybe after an entire off-season/training camp and 1 1/2 years in the Chiefs system, we'll see. Right now...no. Indy wasn't game planning for Foles to come in...teams recognize tendencies and react accordingly.

I wouldn't want him chucking up ducks against Denver's cornerbacks...

All I'm saying is this: November 27th, @ Denver. Give me Alex.

You think Foles is going to have time to go deep in that game consistently? You might have 1-2 chances the entire game.

You have to take care of the football and move the chains against good teams and good defenses. We don't get to play dreadful pass rushes and secondaries like the Colts every week.

He sure looked to have muscle rigidity on one of those, the second iirc (would need to re watch to confirm) he planked for a second.

I guarantee he was out.

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So then who do you play against Oakland or Pittsburgh or San Diego who can put up points in a hurry? We can't rely on 4th quarter monster rallies or expect the defense to continually shut the raiders out. Alex struggles against teams who can put up points. It works both ways. He has ability to use a second gear but chooses not to.

clearly Foles. No way could Alex win games against SD or Oakland. :thumb:

That's really my issue. I'm confident that Foles will be able to roll over crap teams, but underthrowing a ball by 10 yards like that air ball to Hill last weekend will get you an interception every time against a good team.

I'm excited to see what Foles can do next weekend, but as of now there's no doubt that I'd rather have Alex over Nick against the Broncos and in the playoffs.

The defense can consistently play well. They did it last year and ever since Pittsburgh they've done it against some of the best offenses you can possibly play without their best player in Justin Houston.

The Pittsburgh game was a fluke. A few balls don't bounce your way, the defense was banged up and they go down 22-0 in a flash. Hard to come back from in those circumstances.

What's the over/under on % of passes from behind LOS decreasing by 50% or more?

It does work both ways, but there is no stat more strongly correlated with wins than turnover ratio.

As evidence: Kansas City Chiefs 2015 and 2016.

Smith has owned the Raiders and SD...as far as Pittsburgh, the defense was completely out of sync. That wasn't all on Smith...they allowed 22 1st quarter points.

Plus, Pittsburgh was mad as hell getting whupped up on in primetime the week before. Shit, Tomlin was calling our game with them "Redemption Sunday", ffs.

When you have a defense with an identity for creating more turnovers than any other team in the league, why not have a guy on offense who takes care of the ball?

It's a perfect combination, and it's why we are 16-3 since last year.

Foles came in and the offense was fun again. Offense isn't fun with Smith. I'm ****ing stoked for this game. Not because I think Foles is elite, but because he elevates the offense and can attack a defense vertically and isn't going to play scared and hesitant.

Wasn't fun. . . What a pussy.

Nick Foles against top 10 defenses (yards or points) in 2013 and 2014:

W 36-21

W 24-21

L 21-26

L 20-24

W 31-21

8 TD/5 INT

As long as he's surrounded by a decent team, Foles is going to be just fine against good defenses.

Also:

Nick Foles against teams that score 24+: 4-13

Ain't great, but from where I'm sitting it's a whole lot better than 4-37-1.

Pete Carroll, BB, harbaughs, Denver.... Deep runs relying on the strength of the defense and using the offense to focus on the mistakes of opposing defenses. Not exactly exciting football but it brings in wins.

How the numbskulls haven't figured this out is beyond me...

What?

Every team has one of those.

I'm glad it happened because it came at the perfect time...right before the bye. Andy had the team's complete focus after that debacle.



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Chuck it deeeeeep, bruh!!!!

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Dude, IT MATTERS.

Watching Smith plod along is like 4 quarters of listening to Hillary blather on about hot sauce whilst listening to the sweet strains of fingernails on a chalkboard; it's ****ing EXCRUCIATING.

Because you KNOW more can be done.

Because you KNOW there are plays just dying on the field due to the guy.

It it what it is and frankly, when Andy tries to draw up that same piddly-piss, honey boo-boo, behind the LOS playbook, I hope Foles goes ****ing Rouge Farve on his fat ass.

LET IT RAIN!

Fun again? What the **** does that mean?

The bottom line is winning.

JFC.

I thought you no longer watched nor cared?

:shrug:

15-2, Bitches.

And that's what you all are: Bitches.

Wins > Fantasy football, ESPN highlights/hype