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Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12516840)
We had Cassel rammed up our asses for years. That was on Pioli.

Well Smith getting his second concussion in the same game was on Reid and his 7 figure salary...

Don't be pissed at clay or anyone that liked Foles output. Be pissed any Reid and his 7 figures the chiefs pay him for getting him killed again...

You can't fix stupid.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 12516842)
Anyone celebrating Smith getting concussed is a douchebag.

Does that apply for Cassel as well?

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12516844)
Well Smith getting his second concussion in the same game was on Reid and his 7 figure salary...

Don't be pissed at clay or anyone that liked Foles output. Be pissed any Reid and his 7 figures the chiefs pay him for getting him killed again...

You can't fix stupid.

Oh it absolutely was. I even said so. I'm not crushing him for liking Foles. I like him as well. I wanted him years ago over Smith.

Chief Roundup 10-30-2016 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516682)
He had one concussion, came back in, and clearly got another one.

Moron he did not have a concussion on the first hit or he would not have been allowed to return. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

Discuss Thrower 10-30-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516850)
Moron he did not have a concussion on the first hit or he would not have been allowed to return. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

Team said the cut to his ear messed with his equilibrium...

That sounds awfully like concussive symptoms to me.

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516850)
Moron he did not have a concussion on the first hit or he would not have been allowed to return. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

:facepalm:

Chiefspants 10-30-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516850)
Moron he did not have a concussion on the first hit or he would not have been allowed to return. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

Do you actually trust the NFL's concussion protocol to make the right call in these situations?

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516850)
Moron he did not have a concussion on the first hit or he would not have been allowed to return. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

If not his equal librium was completely ****ed. Putting him back in just to get him hit again was criminally stupid and negligent...

Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516850)
Moron he did not have a concussion on the first hit or he would not have been allowed to return. Your stupidity knows no bounds.

He clearly had a concussion.

Chromatic 10-30-2016 03:47 PM

I say start him against Jacksonville.

The last 2 weeks we've played the worst passing defenses back to back and Smith struggled at times while Foles slung fire and delivered.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 10-30-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12516828)
Youre a hypocrite...

Whining about clay when the same thing happened to Cassel and people cheered... Where we you then asking for everyone to be banned?

Hypocrite?

Man you are dumb

kcpasco 10-30-2016 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12516846)
Does that apply for Cassel as well?

You can be excited that Foles came in without being happy that a dude bounced his head off the turf playing a game. Yes that goes for Cassel also.

New World Order 10-30-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromatic (Post 12516872)
I say start him against Jacksonville.

The last 2 weeks we've played the worst passing defenses back to back and Smith struggled at times while Foles slung fire and delivered.


Yep. Foles outplayed Smith today, that's for sure.

bsroyals54 10-30-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 12516876)
You can be excited that Foles came in without being happy that a dude bounced his head off the turf playing a game. Yes that goes for Cassel also.

Ill take several million dollars for a guy to slam my head on the ground while wearing a helmet. Where do I sign up?

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 12516876)
You can be excited that Foles came in without being happy that a dude bounced his head off the turf playing a game. Yes that goes for Cassel also.

I'm just Shocked that the HC and franchise pit their franchise QB back in after he was Completely wrecked...

Wouldn't you protect the main piece of your team a little more?

Lot of money just to piss off with bad protocol and dumb ass play calling be big red.

Chief Roundup 10-30-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12516856)
Team said the cut to his ear messed with his equilibrium...

That sounds awfully like concussive symptoms to me.

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12516860)
:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12516866)
Do you actually trust the NFL's concussion protocol to make the right call in these situations?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12516867)
If not his equal librium was completely ****ed. Putting him back in just to get him hit again was criminally stupid and negligent...

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516871)
He clearly had a concussion.

Yes I believe they have a protocol and if Smith had not passed said protocol he would not have been let return. If you think otherwise you are just being obtuse for an agenda.
There have been far too many times that a player or coach would have played or put that player back in the game to win if it was not for the protocol.
He was not concussed.

rico 10-30-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516871)
He clearly had a concussion.

Well to be fair, he always appears a little bit "concussiony" when he plays football.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516892)
He was not concussed.

He was clearly concussed, which is why the second hit knocked him from the game so easily.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516892)
Yes I believe they have a protocol and if Smith had not passed said protocol he would not have been let return. If you think otherwise you are just being obtuse for an agenda.
There have been far too many times that a player or coach would have played or put that player back in the game to win if it was not for the protocol.
He was not concussed.

Fair enough.

By why risk it? Dude couldn't stand after the first hit.

Especially when. The backup is playing just fine.

Now? Now they put him at risk, he got abused and the results aren't favorable...

Sounds smart to me.

MahiMike 10-30-2016 03:53 PM

No

R8RFAN 10-30-2016 03:54 PM

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Chief Roundup 10-30-2016 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516903)
He was clearly concussed, which is why the second hit knocked him from the game so easily.

Letting you back on this forum was a huge stupid mistake. You are a giant piece of shit of a human being. You are a huge negative part of this forum.

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Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516909)
Letting you back on this forum was a huge stupid mistake. You are a giant piece of shit of a human being. You are a huge negative part of this forum.

Sent from my SCH-S968C using Tapatalk

You are the one being negative right now. We are 5-2 and have some hope at the QB position for the first time in a long time. Rejoice with me, brother! CHIEFS!

CaliforniaChief 10-30-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 12516906)

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kcpasco 10-30-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 12516885)
Ill take several million dollars for a guy to slam my head on the ground while wearing a helmet. Where do I sign up?

Even rich people have family

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516909)
Letting you back on this forum was a huge stupid mistake. You are a giant piece of shit of a human being. You are a huge negative part of this forum.

Sent from my SCH-S968C using Tapatalk

You should channel that energy towards Reid for killing your QB...

Chief Roundup 10-30-2016 03:57 PM

Never you piece of shit.

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TigeRRUppeRRcut 10-30-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516911)
You are the one being negative right now. We are 5-2 and have some hope at the QB position for the first time in a long time. Rejoice with me, brother! CHIEFS!

The boy who thought we would lose to Carr and hyped him up, and also said we would lose today.

ROFL

New World Order 10-30-2016 03:58 PM

This is how I felt today after watching Foles bomb it down the field:

https://media.giphy.com/media/y6IeCbAmwds0U/giphy.gif

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12516920)
Never you piece of shit.

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ROFL

Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12516922)
The boy who thought we would lose to Carr and hyped him up, and also said we would lose today.

ROFL

We would have lost if Alex Smith had not gracefully exited the game in favor of the savior.

Messier 10-30-2016 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516930)
We would have lost if Alex Smith had not gracefully exited the game in favor of the savior.

How do you figure? Neither was having trouble moving tha ball.

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 12516906)

26-10 4th&48ERS!!!!!!!!

New World Order 10-30-2016 04:03 PM

Tiger, why can't you just enjoy the win?

Foles looked great. Let's go.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12516937)
How do you figure? Neither was having trouble moving tha ball.

Alex wasn't putting the ball in the end zone before Gaines gave him a short field.

The game was in doubt.

PAChiefsGuy 10-30-2016 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12516925)
This is how I felt today after watching Foles bomb it down the field:

https://media.giphy.com/media/y6IeCbAmwds0U/giphy.gif

The ball was underthrown. It was a great catch by Hill if anything.

Messier 10-30-2016 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516941)
Alex wasn't putting the ball in the end zone before Gaines gave him a short field.

The game was in doubt.

Game was in doubt until the last quarter. I don't think Foles did anything Smith couldn't or wouldn't do.

Spott 10-30-2016 04:11 PM

I don't think that Foles is a big drop off, if any. I would say that it's a good thing that we are playing Jacksonville this week.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:12 PM

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So much this...

Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12516969)
Game was in doubt until the last quarter. I don't think Foles did anything Smith couldn't or wouldn't do.

13.9 yards per completion and two actual, legitimate TD passes (no screens) says otherwise.

New World Order 10-30-2016 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12516963)
The ball was underthrown. It was a great catch by Hill if anything.


He had 3 nice downfield throws to Conley, Kelce that he dropped and then Hill for a touchdown.

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516992)
13.9 yards per completion and two actual, legitimate TD passes (no screens) says otherwise.

Alex's TD to Maclin was legit. I don't like him but STFU already.

mnchiefsguy 10-30-2016 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12516969)
Game was in doubt until the last quarter. I don't think Foles did anything Smith couldn't or wouldn't do.

Honest to God, I am not sure Smith hits Hill for that TD. Foles threw a rocket, right on target, and it was a pass over 20 yards. Smith does not hit those with regularity.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12516995)
Alex's TD to Maclin was legit. I don't like him but STFU already.

That was a nice ball for sure.

That's what concussion do to check down QBs...

BigCatDaddy 10-30-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12516963)
The ball was underthrown. It was a great catch by Hill if anything.

He gave his guy a chance to make the catch or get a PI call. ASS11 routinely misses long or wide by a large margin fearing an INT.

Messier 10-30-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12516992)
13.9 yards per completion and two actual, legitimate TD passes (no screens) says otherwise.

was the pass last week to Hill a legitimate pass? Smith could've made that read today as well.

keg in kc 10-30-2016 04:17 PM

Foles is definitely more aggressive but he moves about as well as drew bledsoe. I don't think there's much of a change in the playbook, but losing the ability to run, even though Smith has done less of that this year, is going to hurt and I think (further) expose some issues with the line. But maybe that's a fair tradeoff for the increase in longer pass attempts with the good (completions/penalties) and bad (picks) that come with.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 12516996)
Honest to God, I am not sure Smith hits Hill for that TD. Foles threw a rocket, right on target, and it was a pass over 20 yards. Smith does not hit those with regularity.

The zip and lack of arch on Foles downfield throws were unreal. It's been years since we seen something like that.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12516995)
Alex's TD to Maclin was legit. I don't like him but STFU already.

Yes, Alex got his one token TD pass after a short-field drive. That is his MO. One per game.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12517004)
was the pass last week to Hill a legitimate pass? Smith could've made that read today as well.

Very good throw. But the past is in the past. We are trying to leave behind those 17-point days.

Easy 6 10-30-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12516904)
Fair enough.

By why risk it? Dude couldn't stand after the first hit.

Especially when. The backup is playing just fine.

Now? Now they put him at risk, he got abused and the results aren't favorable...

Sounds smart to me.

Yep

It was stupid to let him back him in, whether he passed the test or not... all I could think when he walked back to the sideline was "how the hell did he fool those doctors?"

Two big hits in the same day could put him out multiple weeks, not just one

Foles was doing great, Reid didnt do anyone any favors with that move

keg in kc 10-30-2016 04:19 PM

And that game was never really in doubt at any point. Indy couldn't do anything on offense all day. I've never felt less nervous facing Andrew Luck in the second half of a game. We'd have had to give them short fields for them to get back into it.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12517013)
Yep

It was stupid to let him back him in, whether he passed the test or not... all I could think when he walked back to the sideline was "how the hell did he fool those doctors?"

Two big hits in the same day could put him out multiple weeks, not just one

Foles was doing great, Reid didnt do anyone any favors with that move

Could have long term season lasting impact on this team and it's success.

Dumb dumb move.

BigCatDaddy 10-30-2016 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12517013)
Yep

It was stupid to let him back him in, whether he passed the test or not... all I could think when he walked back to the sideline was "how the hell did he fool those doctors?"

Two big hits in the same day could put him out multiple weeks, not just one

Foles was doing great, Reid didnt do anyone any favors with that move

They were trying to squash a QB controversy.. Oops

Lzen 10-30-2016 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12516843)
I felt quite calm when Smith went down. Name another fan base that has that luxury.

Smith is and will be the starter, but picking up Foles was huge.

Yep. I was texting to my son and another friend that it sucks when your QB gets a concussion but at least we have a good backup.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:26 PM

They now have one. And if Foles plays next week and has a solid game it will be full on the minute Smith comes back and goes full Smith...

New World Order 10-30-2016 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12517040)
They now have one. And if Foles plays next week and has a solid game it will be full on the minute Smith comes back and goes full Smith...


Pressure cooker

Lzen 10-30-2016 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12516891)
I'm just Shocked that the HC and franchise pit their franchise QB back in after he was Completely wrecked...

Wouldn't you protect the main piece of your team a little more?

Lot of money just to piss off with bad protocol and dumb ass play calling be big red.

I'm sure they trusted their doctor(s) to make the right call in that situation. Albeit, it doesn't appear that was what happened. I don't blame Reid for that.

Molitoth 10-30-2016 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12517040)
They now have one. And if Foles plays next week and has a solid game it will be full on the minute Smith comes back and goes full Smith...

I'm sure people will find ways to blame the oline or the lack of offensive weapons.

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12517009)
Yes, Alex got his one token TD pass after a short-field drive. That is his MO. One per game.

I'm just glad to have a guy who doesn't play scared

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 12517051)
I'm sure they trusted their doctor(s) to make the right call in that situation. Albeit, it doesn't appear that was what happened. I don't blame Reid for that.

No but I do blame him for the play call that put smith in a position to get smoked again.

Now we have a QB eating his breakfast through a straw for awhile while signing Mary had a little lamb...

Easy 6 10-30-2016 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12517027)
Could have long term season lasting impact on this team and it's success.

Dumb dumb move.

Totally agree it was a bad move, but it remains to be seen what long term impact it may or may not have... Foles is a very capable guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12517032)
They were trying to squash a QB controversy.. Oops

Thats the only reason that makes any sense, Smith is Andys guy come hell or high water

Its why I said in a different thread, that no matter what Foles does in the next 1-2 games... Smith is going back in when he is ready, the only QB controversy will be in our heads

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12517011)
Very good throw. But the past is in the past. We are trying to leave behind those 17-point days.

Eh looked under thrown but thats why I want those chances. Hill fights for the ball and has awesome tracking skills. Plus you can draw a PI and other penalties not to mention it backs the defense up.

Aspengc8 10-30-2016 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12517065)
Eh looked under thrown but thats why I want those chances. Hill fights for the ball and has awesome tracking skills. Plus you can draw a PI and other penalties not to mention it backs the defense up.

yeah that ball was very under thrown

petegz28 10-30-2016 04:33 PM

LMAO, never fails. The second a backup QB throws a TD everyone wants him to start. Just remember there is a reason Foles is a back up. He looked good and I like him compared to say Daniel but come on, it was one game against a shit defense that didn't plan against him.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:33 PM

KC needs a solid QB controversy.... Gives something else to discuss.

Molitoth 10-30-2016 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12517070)
LMAO, never fails. The second a backup QB throws a TD everyone wants him to start. Just remember there is a reason Foles is a back up. He looked good and I like him compared to say Daniel but come on, it was one game against a shit defense that didn't plan against him.

HOPE man, HOPE.

Alex Smith is purgatory.

Lzen 10-30-2016 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 12516996)
Honest to God, I am not sure Smith hits Hill for that TD. Foles threw a rocket, right on target, and it was a pass over 20 yards. Smith does not hit those with regularity.

Why do people keep saying things like this? That was the same exact play that Alex threw the TD to Hill last week. It was a designed play to get Hill open or at least one on one.

petegz28 10-30-2016 04:35 PM

I do feel better that if we have to play Foles next week it will be at home against the Jags. Ware is the one I am worried about at this point. Smith will be back if not next week, then the week after.

petegz28 10-30-2016 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12517080)
HOPE man, HOPE.

Alex Smith is purgatory.

3rd winningest QB in the last 4 years..yeah, he sucks

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12517080)
HOPE man, HOPE.

Alex Smith is purgatory.

Purgatory is a safe place.

I know chiefs fans that would rather go 9-7 and playoff hope vs drafting a QB and building a long term championship team. There's a comfort level is mediocrity...

BigCatDaddy 10-30-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12517070)
LMAO, never fails. The second a backup QB throws a TD everyone wants him to start. Just remember there is a reason Foles is a back up. He looked good and I like him compared to say Daniel but come on, it was one game against a shit defense that didn't plan against him.

Gannon

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12517085)
3rd winningest QB in the last 4 years..yeah, he sucks

Well Reid put him back out there and then called a read option.

Brilliant move.

Chiefspants 10-30-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12517085)
3rd winningest QB in the last 4 years..yeah, he sucks

That's a dishonest stat.

Grbac and Bono sure piled on the wins too. The question is whether or not you have a QB that can win in January. I don't think Smith is that guy.

petegz28 10-30-2016 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12517097)
That's a dishonest stat.

Grbac and Bono sure piled on the wins too. The question is whether or not you have a QB that can win in January. I don't think Smith is that guy.

Yeah, I mean he got us to the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons, won us one of them games last year, was a ****ed up punt return away from the SB in SF, yeah, I mean he sucks and can't win.

petegz28 10-30-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12517089)
Gannon

Foles is no Gannon.....not even close

keg in kc 10-30-2016 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12517064)
Thats the only reason that makes any sense, Smith is Andys guy come hell or high water

Not only does it not make any sense, it's silly. There's been zero quarterback controversy aside from a handful of random, irrelevant people here. There wasn't anything to avoid. Smith cleared concussion protocol (given by a neutral league doctor) and was put back in the game. It's not any more complicated than that. If the starter is cleared to play, he's going back in.

The stupidity came when he ran the ball again. Which I'm assuming/hoping was not the play called.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12517109)
Foles is no Gannon.....not even close

True. He's a Foles, not a Gannon...

Chiefspants 10-30-2016 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12517107)
Yeah, I mean he got us to the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons, won us one of them games last year, was a ****ed up punt return away from the SB in SF, yeah, I mean he sucks and can't win.

Not what I'm saying, Pete.

I'm saying that in January, beating an Uncle Rico led team is likely his ceiling with Andy and the Chiefs.

Lzen 10-30-2016 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12517063)
No but I do blame him for the play call that put smith in a position to get smoked again.

Now we have a QB eating his breakfast through a straw for awhile while signing Mary had a little lamb...

I don't know that it had anything to do with the play call. Probably had more to do with Alex didn't find anyone open and chose to run it. He needs to learn to get down sooner.


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